chris heff Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Even if he turned the same way - if he was running for the pylon/EZ, the ball would have been in a place where it was far more easily caught. Instead he started to run to the 5 yd marker. If the ball was thrown towards the sideline to the outside shoulder with the route he was running, the CB coming off Shady would have most likely knocked it down or intercepted it. That corner never gets there in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Crusher I'm sure 99.9% of people realize TT IS NOT the long term answer. I've felt that for years already... As I know you have... and it wasn't necessarily the best throw... but it was 100% catchable... it's not about blaming anybody either... that's toxic The Bills must move on and keep playing ball. But it was catchable It was only catchable because Zay made an incredible adjustment getting turned around to get his hands on it. The throw was poor and would have been an easy catch had it been not behind him with a safety coming over from that side that the ball ended up going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Bob Matthews @BMatthewsSports 14m14 minutes ago More Replying to @ToddJClausen Who? He has NO deep receivers. 2 of the 5 receivers are kick returners. Honestly. W hat are you watching? are you THAT anti-Tyrod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It was only catchable because Zay made an incredible adjustment getting turned around to get his hands on it. The throw was poor and would have been an easy catch had it been not behind him with a safety coming over from that side that the ball ended up going to.He tackled himself getting to it. That's why he had to twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 He tackled himself getting to it. That's why he had to twist. Wrong. That's the only reason he was even able to adjust to the poor throw behind him. If he never stumbles...the ball is nowhere near him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Wrong. That's the only reason he was even able to adjust to the poor throw behind him. If he never stumbles...the ball is nowhere near him. Now you are calling out Kelly The Dog? Wow, just wow. Yeah, you are smarter than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Wrong. That's the only reason he was even able to adjust to the poor throw behind him. If he never stumbles...the ball is nowhere near him. I will bet anyone we will find later he ran the wrong pattern and looked out when he was supposed to look in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It was only catchable because Zay made an incredible adjustment getting turned around to get his hands on it. The throw was poor and would have been an easy catch had it been not behind him with a safety coming over from that side that the ball ended up going to. It's not even on sportscenter top 10 if he catches it... It wasn't impossibly difficult, I've seen that catch made thousands of times over the years. In college and at the nfl level. Decently hard catch? Yes Freaky difficult? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 You can be pissed he dropped it, but that wasn't a "routine" catch by any standards. I don't just mean the catch itself, I mean the whole play. Most #2 receivers make the right play on that ball and come down with it IMO. Again - Zay is just a rookie. If he ran the wrong way, stumbled, whatever, he can get better. But if I am seeing the play correctly it was a perfect throw from Tyrod which means it needed to be caught. Can't know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I will bet anyone we will find later he ran the wrong pattern and looked out when he was supposed to look in. That's what i think too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 ....and now you're on my nuts in this thread. I asked you to move. Lol! I just really want your approval and to like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I will bet anyone we will find later he ran the wrong pattern and looked out when he was supposed to look in. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Zay could have caught and if had it would have been a primetime catch. Having said that, this was primarily TT's fault. Just an ok throw and Zay scores. Edited September 17, 2017 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Absurd to blame Zay. Ball wasn't quite where it needed to be. Would have been a circus catch. Tyrod almost hit it, but he missed. This is not a circus catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It's not even on sportscenter top 10 if he catches it... It wasn't impossibly difficult, I've seen that catch made thousands of times over the years. In college and at the nfl level. Decently hard catch? Yes Freaky difficult? No The adjustment he made to turn his body to get his hands on it was pretty impressive IMO. He was headed in the complete opposite direction. I disagree that that doesn't make top plays if he comes up with it, but we'll never know cause he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Clearly a Corner Route. A poorly thrown ball But is Zay wants to be an elite WR he has to make the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 That's exactly my thought too. A marginally better pass and he doesn't need to extend and probably strolls into the end zone. Yeah, definitely, you can say that about every incomplete catch in the history of catching a ball, that if the throw was better the catch would have been made The ball, even if it was the worst throw ever in the history of the game, still hit the WR in both his hands and he was unable to make the catch. The reason WRs get paid what they do is because they are expected to catch balls that are within the reach of their hands. Even the greatest QBs don't make ever throw perfect to their WRs, but NFL WRs know that they should be able to catch passes that are within the reach of their arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 I just really want your approval and to like me. Funny how you are obsessed with me. Please ignore me if you cant handle football discussion. You are all in on the zero input train. Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Wrong. That's the only reason he was even able to adjust to the poor throw behind him. If he never stumbles...the ball is nowhere near him. Not wrong. Corner route adjustment carries a line to the pylon (like it was thrown). Zay shortened off the route. He'll learn, I'm not worried about him. Beyond all that TT missed some plays earlier in the game (maybe haters should focus on those instead of the GW pass that he threw to the right spot) and the run-game was non-existent. Add in a VERY good Carolina front 7 and at home, and you have of less than stellar offensive showing for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The adjustment he made to turn his body to get his hands on it was pretty impressive IMO. He was headed in the complete opposite direction. I disagree that that doesn't make top plays if he comes up with it, but we'll never know cause he didn't. He adjusted well and it hit him square in the hands. Hopefully next time he pulls it in. I hope he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Clearly a Corner Route. A poorly thrown ball But is Zay wants to be an elite WR he has to make the catch. MAJBobby....CPTCrusade lol.... Let it go man, it's been proven where the fault lies. Go on. If you say it enough maybe it will become true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 So......guys want to come down hard on a rookie WR? Granted it wasn't a great pass, but it was catch-able and in all honesty, the team should never been in that position anyways by the O doing nothing for 55 minutes and putting the game in TT's hands and throwing to a rookie WR. It's a loss in the books........deal with it. The best we can hope for is that it's a learning experience for Zay and TT makes better throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 An elite WR would have made that catch...........is all i'm saying here. Yep all the elites never dropped a pass, especially when they were rookies. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/18/terrell-owens-dropped-passes-as-great-receivers-do/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How's Sammy doing? Thus far he has a catch for 28 yards and a catch for 2 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It's not even on sportscenter top 10 if he catches it... It wasn't impossibly difficult, I've seen that catch made thousands of times over the years. In college and at the nfl level. Decently hard catch? Yes Freaky difficult? No Disagree, it would be because it would have lead to a Buffalo upset over Carolina..............or atleast put the game into OT if Haush "Carpenters" the Extra Point................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Disagree, it would be because it would have lead to a Buffalo upset over Carolina..............or atleast put the game into OT if Haush "Carpenters" the Extra Point................. Regardless of that statement. My point was that I've seen that catch thousands of times. With my own eyes in person. I'm not going to put all the blame on the rook but i will say that it is 100% catchable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Heartbreaker ....plz don't blame God That's funny...in a kinda billsy, ironic way. I don't know...blame God or talk down to "little people with little jobs"...which do I prefer in a #1 WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 So......guys want to come down hard on a rookie WR? Granted it wasn't a great pass, but it was catch-able and in all honesty, the team should never been in that position anyways by the O doing nothing for 55 minutes and putting the game in TT's hands and throwing to a rookie WR. It's a loss in the books........deal with it. The best we can hope for is that it's a learning experience for Zay and TT makes better throws. Almost no one hear is "coming down hard" on a rookie WR, most are arguing that it is a catch that a WR should be expected to make and it wasn't a horribly thrown pass that would require a miracle to catch. But some here have to blame it all on the QB. Regardless of that statement. My point was that I've seen that catch thousands of times. With my own eyes in person. I'm not going to put all the blame on the rook but i will say that it is 100% catchable And I agree, I'm just saying it would make sportscentre but only because it leads to a td for the win.................... That's funny...in a kinda billsy, ironic way. I don't know...blame God or talk down to "little people with little jobs"...which do I prefer in a #1 WR? Well that throw to Stevie was a poorly thrown ball by the QB that you can't expect a WR to catch without a 'circus catch', if it had been thrown better Stevie make that catch................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Almost no one hear is "coming down hard" on a rookie WR, most are arguing that it is a catch that a WR should be expected to make and it wasn't a horribly thrown pass that would require a miracle to catch. But some here have to blame it all on the QB. And I agree, I'm just saying it would make sportscentre but only because it leads to a td for the win.................... If we scored and won the game it most certainly would've got TV time! Wish it did my bills friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 yeah, don't worry about the other 59 minutes of garbage football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 MAJBobby....CPTCrusade lol.... Let it go man, it's been proven where the fault lies. Go on. If you say it enough maybe it will become true. Who is on the crusade. I would argue you are. You seem to be very interested in stalking my for some reason. It has been proven by no one. It was a corner. Inwas a poorly thrown FB It should have been caught if Zay wants to be an elite WR. I dont need this play to backup any of the truths about TT. There will be more. And can just point to all the throws he is to scared to pull the trigger on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Who is on the crusade. I would argue you are. You seem to be very interested in stalking my for some reason. It has been proven by no one. It was a corner. Inwas a poorly thrown FB It should have been caught if Zay wants to be an elite WR. I dont need this play to backup any of the truths about TT. There will be more. And can just point to all the throws he is to scared to pull the trigger on. Hard to stalk you in my own thread...lol #majoragenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 This is not a circus catch. Funny how a still frame doesn't show anything preceding the exact moment the catch looks "easy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) Hard to stalk you in my own thread...lol #majoragenda sure just like you agenda. But keep with your dumbass hashtags. They are better than you football knowledge so i give you that much Yeah i do have an agenda. Get a better QB and freaking make the playoffs and blow that window open instead of hoping to slip in some playoffs Edited September 17, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Funny how a still frame doesn't show anything preceding the exact moment the catch looks "easy." I see receivers dive all over making tough catches. I see receivers one hand something that barely hits their fingers. I see circus catches when the Giants play NE in the superbowl. This catch wasn't a circus catch by any sense of the word. The replay is there for everyone to watch. Had he caught it on the way down on his second attempt at catching the ball it would have been a circus catch. Changing body direction slightly and jumping in the air getting two hands on the ball isn't a circus catch. Receivers make that type of catch all. the. time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I will bet anyone we will find later he ran the wrong pattern and looked out when he was supposed to look in. The more I watch it the more I'm convinced. Makes zero sense that the route was supposed to go out at the 5 yd line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How did he lose the game even if he catches the ball he still down on the 2 yard line.no guarantee we would've won that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I see receivers dive all over making tough catches. I see receivers one hand something that barely hits their fingers. I see circus catches when the Giants play NE in the superbowl. This catch wasn't a circus catch by any sense of the word. The replay is there for everyone to watch. Had he caught it on the way down on his second attempt at catching the ball it would have been a circus catch. Changing body direction slightly and jumping in the air getting two hands on the ball isn't a circus catch. Receivers make that type of catch all. the. time. I don't think anyone's comparing it to OBJ catches, Certainly not David Tyree. I certainly never said it was a circus catch. But reducing it to a routine catch is misguided IMO. I see guys drop that. All. The. Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The more I watch it the more I'm convinced. Makes zero sense that the route was supposed to go out at the 5 yd line BecUse there was 9 seconds left. If they get iut of bounds have 4 plays from the 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billzfan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The throw sucked. Should have been the outside shoulder. not inside. Totally turned him around. Would have been an incredible catch had he caught it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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