McBean Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I freaking love McBean. We finally have people with a brain running this organization. This is ALL for Darnold or Allen next year imo. Ian Rapoport @RapSheet With the trades, the #Bills have: 2 2018 first rounders, 2 2018 second rounders, 2 2018 third rounders. Thats not a bad way to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I agree. Setting up for post Brady. I get the want to win now...I want it as well...but finally, after two decades, there is a vision and plan. Edited August 11, 2017 by Bronc24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I freaking love McBean. We finally have people with a brain running this organization. This is ALL for Darnold or Allen next year imo. Ian Rapoport @RapSheet With the trades, the #Bills have: 2 2018 first rounders, 2 2018 second rounders, 2 2018 third rounders. Thats not a bad way to build. Build like the Cleveland Browns build? Tank like the New York Jets tank? Sorry -- can't agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I freaking love McBean. We finally have people with a brain running this organization. This is ALL for Darnold or Allen next year imo. Ian Rapoport @RapSheet With the trades, the #Bills have: 2 2018 first rounders, 2 2018 second rounders, 2 2018 third rounders. Thats not a bad way to build. And we could add another 3rd by simply cutting some FA's we signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Like the pro active moves. Most definitely one vision and it's refreshing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Build like the Cleveland Browns build? Tank like the New York Jets tank? Sorry -- can't agree with you. Can't beat them at maximizing losses. Gotta be 3 other teams as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Doom Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I love the tank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I agree. Setting up for post Brady. I get the want to win now...I want it as well...but finally, after two decades, there is a vision and plan. I think this has more to do with it than most realize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 McBean ... More ego maniacs Time will tell if they really have a clue Sent from my LGLS992 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Build like the Cleveland Browns build? Tank like the New York Jets tank? Sorry -- can't agree with you. We got a WR that has better numbers than Watkins. This scheme fits Gaines. O, and we are loaded with picks! Watkins and Darby would've walked out because they weren't resigning here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Having picks means nothing if they're not used correctly. It's nice to have all those picks, but we need to use them on quality franchise building players (something we've failed miserably in acquiring for the past 5+ years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I think this has more to do with it than most realize. It's a fair point, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 How are the Jets set up for picks for next year? Seems like some team at the top of next year's draft is gonna get a damn boatload of picks if they want them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 And we could add another 3rd by simply cutting some FA's we signed Have until week 10...no rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This is fantastic stuff fot sure. Just let it happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Having picks means nothing if they're not used correctly. It's nice to have all those picks, but we need to use them on quality franchise building players (something we've failed miserably in acquiring for the past 5+ years). I agree. However, Matthews has better numbers than Watkins and Gaines perfectly fits this scheme. Again, Watkins and Darby weren't signing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 And we could add another 3rd by simply cutting some FA's we signed Really good point. I'm not sure if the Bills are going full on tank because I think they didn't like Sammy or Darby for the O and D. If they cut enough FAs to recoup that 3rd and 4th round compensatory, or trade McCoy/Tyrod/Dareus then the tank will be full on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 So if the Bills weren't going to pay Sammy Watkins next year, what makes you think they are going to pay Jordan Matthews? And even with all the "ammunition" in the world, don't forget: - The Jets have one of the worst rosters in 20 years - The Browns also have tons of draft picks and need a QB - There is no guarantee all the top guys will be coming out of school next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Having picks means nothing if they're not used correctly. It's nice to have all those picks, but we need to use them on quality franchise building players (something we've failed miserably in acquiring for the past 5+ years). We just hired a competent GM. The past 5 (or 17) years aren't on his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 How much can we get for Dareus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Doesn't necessarily mean a tank...Mathews is a No. 1 WR...still a bit thin at CB, tho. We have a lot of draft picks next year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills757 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Build like the Cleveland Browns build? Tank like the New York Jets tank? Sorry -- can't agree with you. Serious question......how is this tanking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 So if the Bills weren't going to pay Sammy Watkins next year, what makes you think they are going to pay Jordan Matthews? And even with all the "ammunition" in the world, don't forget: - The Jets have one of the worst rosters in 20 years - The Browns also have tons of draft picks and need a QB - There is no guarantee all the top guys will be coming out of school next year What if he becomes a FA and the Bills sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Serious question......how is this tanking? Let them have their tantrum. I'm not upset about any of this, but I understand their pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I freaking love McBean. We finally have people with a brain running this organization. This is ALL for Darnold or Allen next year imo. Ian Rapoport @RapSheet With the trades, the #Bills have: 2 2018 first rounders, 2 2018 second rounders, 2 2018 third rounders. Thats not a bad way to build. so if the teams in spot 1 and 2 don't trade out of those spots, then what? Doesn't necessarily mean a tank...Mathews is a No. 1 WR...still a bit thin at CB, tho. We have a lot of draft picks next year.... Matthews is a slot WR.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryhood280 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Agree completely. The Darby trade alone is really good. Matthews isn't a bad WR, he's young, and a third rounder? The Eagles got taken advantage of thanks to their desperation at CB. Watkins was likely not going to be here after this season. If he gets hurt again, he has no value. Trade him now, get a premium pick and a young CB who could develop into a good player. The bills will have at least 6 picks in the top 90 going into the draft. They will be able to build. This trade doesn't really make the team worse this year (Boldin, Matthews, Zay is better than Watkins, Woods, Goodwin imo) and potentially makes them much better going forward. Finally, I don't see this as anything close to a move meant to help them tank the season. Shady will be traded soon if that's the case. That being said, I would much rather have an 18 or 19 year playoff drought followed by sustained success than a mediocre team sneaking in this year and the same uncertain future next year. Edited August 11, 2017 by Harryhood280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Build like the Cleveland Browns build? Tank like the New York Jets tank? Sorry -- can't agree with you. And what makes you think these two guys are anything like the guys that are running the Jets and Browns. Enlighten me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Doesn't necessarily mean a tank...Mathews is a No. 1 WR...still a bit thin at CB, tho. We have a lot of draft picks next year.... Matthews is a #1 when he is on a terrible receiving corps like Philly's - that is, by default. To be fair, he'll be a number one here because Boldin (who I love) is probably running a 4.9 40 right now and they have no one else. As I said elsewhere, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Agree completely. The Darby trade alone is really good. Matthews isn't a bad WR, he's young, and a third rounder? The Eagles got taken advantage of thanks to their desperation at CB. Watkins was likely not going to be here after this season. If he gets hurt again, he has no value. Trade him now, get a premium pick and a young CB who could develop into a good player. The bills will have at least 6 picks in the top 90 going into the draft. They will be able to build. This trade doesn't really make the team worse this year and potentially makes them much better going forward. Boldin, Matthews, Zay is better than Watkins, Woods, Goodwin imo. Finally, I don't see this as anything close to a move meant to help them tank the season. Shady will be traded soon if that's the case. That being said, I would much rather have an 18 or 19 year playoff drought followed by sustained success than a mediocre team sneaking in this year and the same uncertain future next year. No one wants McCoy's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billstein22 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Having picks means nothing if they're not used correctly. It's nice to have all those picks, but we need to use them on quality franchise building players (something we've failed miserably in acquiring for the past 5+ years). But if you have more picks you're more likely to use a pick correctly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I was listening to SiriusXM Radio over the weekend and they were talking about how Jordan Matthews can't even beat out Agholor this year. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I love the tank! well, that is what we expect from Buffalo sports....let's keep losing while others keep winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Mathews 46 gms 225 rec 2,673 yds Watkins 37 gms 153 rec 2,459 yds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 So if the Bills weren't going to pay Sammy Watkins next year, what makes you think they are going to pay Jordan Matthews? And even with all the "ammunition" in the world, don't forget: - The Jets have one of the worst rosters in 20 years - The Browns also have tons of draft picks and need a QB - There is no guarantee all the top guys will be coming out of school next year I absolutely love these moves. They got quality players in return and extra draft picks. What's not to like. Watkins would not have been back next year anyway and Darby should be easily replaced by Tre White and the guy they got from the Rams. I like our top 3 receivers and I believe that swapping the two CB's will only make the secondary stronger. What's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I was listening to SiriusXM Radio over the weekend and they were talking about how Jordan Matthews can't even beat out Agholor this year. Sigh. They were right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProbablyWrong Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) It's all great until we whiff on 4 of our 6 early picks next year. Just wait - top two picks are Jets and 49ers, they take Darnold and Rosen. Then what? Draft a mediocre WR and CB in the first, some dud OL in the second, and trade the rest of the picks to 2019 because "that will be our year"... Edited August 11, 2017 by ProbablyWrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I absolutely love these moves. They got quality players in return and extra draft picks. What's not to like. Watkins would not have been back next year anyway and Darby should be easily replaced by Tre White and the guy they got from the Rams. I like our top 3 receivers and I believe that swapping the two CB's will only make the secondary stronger. What's not to like? questionable. gaines is not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 How much can we get for Dareus? YEEEESSSS BURN IT DOWN BABY @@@!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm getting Trust the Process tattooed on my forehead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I freaking love McBean. We finally have people with a brain running this organization. This is ALL for Darnold or Allen next year imo. Ian Rapoport @RapSheet With the trades, the #Bills have: 2 2018 first rounders, 2 2018 second rounders, 2 2018 third rounders. Thats not a bad way to build. Watkins would have been worth vastly more had these geniuses picked up his 5th year. Very very stupid omission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Seriously just ruined my enthusiasm on the season...2 of the players I was most looking forward to seeing bounce back, Darby and Watkins gone. Watkins had one stupid foot injury...that appears to be behind him now. And without that injury he is a top 10 talent in the NFL at WR. Just ridiculous to trade him now IMO. How pissed is Robert Woods now? Had the chance to be establish himself as a top option in LA, now is suddenly 3rd on the depth chart behind Watkins and Austin. Went from clear number 2 who could challenge Austin as the #1 to likely 3rd now to try and battle to be the 2nd option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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