I'm hoping Peterman really have a good camp

[section122]

I have no real hope for either of the young Quarterbacks on the roster. Not a Peterman fan and Cardale is probably a lost cause. I still expect Yates to be the #2.

 

 

I hope every player has a good camp. Except Yates. I'm sure he's a great guy but it would suck if he makes this team.

 

Just another way coaches are kitty cats. Yates has "experience." Even if that experience is many sucking. Stick with the young guys.

 

I think it is camp dependent but if any of the young guys show anything I think Yates is gone. He is a coach during training camp. I'm with you biscuit if he makes the team it speaks poorly of cardale and peterman. Best case scenario is TT looks fantastic and Peterman/Cardale look promising while Yates is looking for a new team.

[Bangarang]

I'm hoping any QB has a really good camp

Edited July 21, 2017 by Bangarang

[Maddog69]

Sorry about being a downer but he was a 5th round pic for a reason. Maybe we get lucky but I wouldn't bet on it.

Not saying he will ever be any good, but draft position isn't always a guaranteed predictor of future success. Many examples of later round players who have surprised everyone and had long, successful careers.

I'm hoping any QB has a really good camp

Agreed. Hopefully they all play great.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Eagles?, Chiefs?, Dolphins?,

 

 

 

Sheer foolishness. I'd take Wentz/Smith/Tannehill any day

[Roundybout]

I think Cardale Jones is going to take huge step forward this year and have a monster camp. I know I'm going to get blasted but he has a big upside and is going to push Tyrod, My prediction is if TT gets hurt this year and misses any time Jones is taking over and not looking back.

 

would love this to happen, but man he would have to take a leap not just a step.

 

Sheer foolishness. I'd take Wentz/Smith/Tannehill any day

 

Wentz looked terrible as the season went on.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

Sheer foolishness. I'd take Wentz/Smith/Tannehill any day

His numbers have been a bit better than Smith and Tannehill over the last 2 years (better record than Tannehill too). You may pick them but it seems like the majority would disagree: https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/885824710457556997

 

I think that Wentz has a chance to be a good QB but as of today Tyrod is the better player.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Buffalo Boy]

If either CJ or Peterman were close to TT , I'd rather have them start.

Dennison's offense is what Peterman potentially has going for him. Add a healthy Sammy, Zay Jones earns his keep and Shady is still at the top of his game and it could be top 15.

The guy I have no use for is Yates. He puts the ourneyman in journeymen!!!! The only way he should be on the 53 is if TT is injured in the preseason and even then as a backup.

[billieve420]

Put Tyrod on that KC team and he puts up equal or better numbers than Alex Smith. KC's defense is very good and reason why they have been a perennial playoff contender.

 

If you look at both their stats for the past 2 years they are practically the same.

 

I see Tyrod and Alex Smith being equal in terms of what they offer a team. Put a strong running game and defense around them and you could win with both guys. Winning a Super Bowl with either of them whole different question.

 

 

 

[nucci]

 

Sheer foolishness. I'd take Wentz/Smith/Tannehill any day

Tannehill over Taylor? Why? I think Taylor is much better than Tannehill

[Buffalo Boy]

Tannehill over Taylor? Why? I think Taylor is much better than Tannehill

Testify!!!!

[BuffaloHokie13]

Tannehill over Taylor? Why? I think Taylor is much better than Tannehill

Over the past 2 years Tannehill has the edge in YPG by 10.4 Yards (258.9 - 248.5). Tyrod has the edge in TD/G (1.62 vs 1.55), TD/TO Ratio (3.36 vs 1.50), Yards per Touch (6.22 vs 6.14), TD% (4.30% vs 4.02%), and TO% (1.28% vs 2.68%).

[nucci]

Over the past 2 years Tannehill has the edge in YPG by 10.4 Yards (258.9 - 248.5). Tyrod has the edge in TD/G (1.62 vs 1.55), TD/TO Ratio (3.36 vs 1.50), Yards per Touch (6.22 vs 6.14), TD% (4.30% vs 4.02%), and TO% (1.28% vs 2.68%).

Thanks for this. I'm too lazy to look it up. I just watch both play and it's obvious Taylor is the better QB

[Bangarang]

Put Tyrod on that KC team and he puts up equal or better numbers than Alex Smith. KC's defense is very good and reason why they have been a perennial playoff contender.

 

If you look at both their stats for the past 2 years they are practically the same.

 

I see Tyrod and Alex Smith being equal in terms of what they offer a team. Put a strong running game and defense around them and you could win with both guys. Winning a Super Bowl with either of them whole different question.

 

 

 

I don't know, Tyrod rolling out on bootlegs with a lot of space to throw or run has my pants feeling tighter.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Thanks for this. I'm too lazy to look it up. I just watch both play and it's obvious Taylor is the better QB

I had it all in a spreadsheet of all the QBs (26) who meet minimum criteria (18+ starts, 500+ attempts) over the past 2 years, so it wasn't too difficult

[Samwell Tarly]

I'll be happy if he doesn't slip on a rubber mat and injure himself....

[BuffAlone]

False..... Simien passed for more yards in less games and went 8-6

umm...im pretty sure Elway would rather TT over Simien. He Did try to get him. Absolutely ridiculous to think Simien would earn the start over Tyrod. I dont care what stats say. Tyrod is better

[fansince88]

TT-NP-CJ Whats His Name. In that order.

[Maury Ballstein]

umm...im pretty sure Elway would rather TT over Simien. He Did try to get him. Absolutely ridiculous to think Simien would earn the start over Tyrod. I dont care what stats say. Tyrod is better

The only thing that's absolutely ridiculous is you using the term absolutely ridiculous.

 

If Elway wanted him he should have taken his shot when the bills were shaving 10 mil off his contract.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YDgzIQQD-0

 

Simdog goes in !!

Edited July 21, 2017 by Maury Ballstein

[BuffAlone]

The only thing that's absolutely ridiculous is you using the term absolutely ridiculous.

 

If Elway wanted him he should have taken his shot when the bills were shaving 10 mil off his contract.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YDgzIQQD-0

 

Simdog goes in !!

You're a riot Ballstein! The fact is Elway tried his damnedest to get TT and had to settle on drafting Lynch. And Simien outplayed him to win the starting job. There is no other truth to be told about it

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I hope the camp goes well for all involved and they come out with the assemblance of a team that can go out there and compete and most of all, avoid serious injury.

[John from Riverside]

False..... Simien passed for more yards in less games and went 8-6

Wins and Losses are not a qb stat sir

[Royale with Cheese]

You're a riot Ballstein! The fact is Elway tried his damnedest to get TT and had to settle on drafting Lynch. And Simien outplayed him to win the starting job. There is no other truth to be told about it

If Elway tried his damndest to get him, he would have offered a much larger contract and just not a little above what the Bills had on the table in 2015.

[nucci]

If Elway tried his damndest to get him, he would have offered a much larger contract and just not a little above what the Bills had on the table in 2015.

Maybe there was a limit on how much he could offer Taylor and didn't want to go above it

[macaroni]

Every year, teams without a franchise QB or a top 5 pick hope that they have found a gem of a QB who someone else in need has passed on. Even with Dalton, Kaep, Carr and Prescott, the lowest drafted recent QB to get to the playoffs is Russel Wilson.

 

I could be wrong cuz I'm old and often confused ... but I thought Wilson was drafted in the third, and Brady was drafted in the sixth or something like that.

[BuffAlone]

If Elway tried his damndest to get him, he would have offered a much larger contract and just not a little above what the Bills had on the table in 2015.

I suppose you may be right. My point was basically that he was wanted by Elway. And would have been the starter. As it stood, he was forced to draft Lynch, who was not ready to start. If TT was on the Broncos roster, he would have won the starting job over Simien. Imho anyway. That belief leads me to the assumption that TT is a better QB than Simien.

Maybe there was a limit on how much he could offer Taylor and didn't want to go above it

That is my opinion as well. A bottom line number that couldn't be breached. Elway tried, TT signs in Buffalo, forcing Elway to draft Lynch. Very likely scenario imo

[Kirby Jackson]

I suppose you may be right. My point was basically that he was wanted by Elway. And would have been the starter. As it stood, he was forced to draft Lynch, who was not ready to start. If TT was on the Broncos roster, he would have won the starting job over Simien. Imho anyway. That belief leads me to the assumption that TT is a better QB than Simien.

I don't think that anyone would debate that (and I like Siemian some). He's just less talented than Tyrod.

[BuffAlone]

I don't think that anyone would debate that (and I like Siemian some). He's just less talented than Tyrod.

That was my only point. I like Simien some too. A very solid backup with ability. Just not on TT's level...which we still have yet to know what exactly that is. Im hoping he takes that next step this year.

[C.Biscuit97]

That was my only point. I like Simien some too. A very solid backup with ability. Just not on TT's level...which we still have yet to know what exactly that is. Im hoping he takes that next step this year.

Eh, they are on a very similar level. I'd put Taylor ahead of him but it's not by much. Siemen looks much more comfortable throwing the football and obviously Taylor is a much better rusher.

[BuffAlone]

 

Eh, they are on a very similar level. I'd put Taylor ahead of him but it's not by much. Siemen looks much more comfortable throwing the football and obviously Taylor is a much better rusher.[/quote

Really? Tyrod throws a much prettier ball...especially deep.

I think Simien deserves a contract similar to Tyrod then, if thats the case?

Simien gets 4 years at 2.3 million. Overall!Tyrod gets 7 million bonus, with 10 mil for '17. Umm....

Edited July 22, 2017 by BuffAlone

[Big Gun]

 

would love this to happen, but man he would have to take a leap not just a step.

 

Wentz looked terrible as the season went on.

How do you think Wentz will look in his 7th year?

His numbers have been a bit better than Smith and Tannehill over the last 2 years (better record than Tannehill too). You may pick them but it seems like the majority would disagree: https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/885824710457556997

 

I think that Wentz has a chance to be a good QB but as of today Tyrod is the better player.

W-L are team stats remember.

[NoSaint]

 

 

Eh, they are on a very similar level. I'd put Taylor ahead of him but it's not by much. Siemen looks much more comfortable throwing the football and obviously Taylor is a much better rusher.[/quote

Really? Tyrod throws a much prettier ball...especially deep.

I think Simien deserves a contract similar to Tyrod then, if thats the case?

Simien gets 4 years at 2.3 million. Overall!Tyrod gets 7 million bonus, with 10 mil for '17. Umm....

 

He's on his rookie deal, so pay isn't much of an indicator of anything other than draft position.

[Kirby Jackson]

How do you think Wentz will look in his 7th year?

Hopefully better than EJ, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Manziel, RG, Weeden, Gabbert, Sanchez and Freeman? All of those guys were also first rounders in the last decade. Just because a guy was drafted early doesn't mean that he will ever be good. If I had to guess Wentz will make it and Goff won't but I don't think either is a lock.

W-L are team stats remember.

I can't keep straight who uses it as a team stat and who puts it on the QB. With Tyrod being 15-14 I don't think that the argument really helps or hurts either side. I threw it in because people will use Alex Smith's record to prop him up. The point was, you can't do that with Tannehill.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....SHOCKING the "One 'N Done Crowd" already has Peterman to the curb.....nice that Buffalo's red carpet is stained with pigeon droppings....

[GunnerBill]

If I had to guess Wentz will make it and Goff won't but I don't think either is a lock.

I reckon neither does and two of the three from 2017 will. 2016 class was overhyped and 2017 over criticised.

[Kirby Jackson]

I reckon neither does and two of the three from 2017 will. 2016 class was overhyped and 2017 over criticised.

That's pretty bold. I think that it's possible but aggressive. None of the 5 were "sure fire" guys. The 2018 guys will grade out better.

[GunnerBill]

That's pretty bold. I think that it's possible but aggressive. None of the 5 were "sure fire" guys. The 2018 guys will grade out better.

I agree none were sure fire.... but you had huge hype over Wentz and Goff and then months of tearing down Watson, Trubisky and Mahomes. That never meshed with what I saw on tape. If anything I liked Watson and Trubisky a little better.

[Chandler#81]

Hopefully better than EJ, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Manziel, RG, Weeden, Gabbert, Sanchez and Freeman? All of those guys were also first rounders in the last decade. Just because a guy was drafted early doesn't mean that he will ever be good. If I had to guess Wentz will make it and Goff won't but I don't think either is a lock.

I can't keep straight who uses it as a team stat and who puts it on the QB. With Tyrod being 15-14 I don't think that the argument really helps or hurts either side. I threw it in because people will use Alex Smith's record to prop him up. The point was, you can't do that with Tannehill.

 

Smith/KC didn't throw a single TD pass to a WR a couple years ago. THAT is a QB stat for the ages! 'nuff said.

[MAJBobby]

Peterman is going to be a long term top end BU in this league. That is his ceiling IMO.

 

Here is how i see it shaking out

 

Keeping 3

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

3rd - Peterman

 

PS - Jones

 

Keeping 2

 

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

PS - Peterman

 

Now here is the kicker. Best chance for Jones to make this roster is if Peterman beats out Yates for the BU spot.

[ALF]

Yates spent most of last season out of the league before latching on with the Dolphins in December following Ryan Tannehill's ACL tear. Yates has a history with new Bills OC Rick Dennison and will help teach the offense.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6603/tj-yates

I sure hope Peterman and Cardale can show more then Yates

[Kirby Jackson]

Peterman is going to be a long term top end BU in this league. That is his ceiling IMO.

 

Here is how i see it shaking out

 

Keeping 3

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

3rd - Peterman

 

PS - Jones

 

Keeping 2

 

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

PS - Peterman

 

Now here is the kicker. Best chance for Jones to make this roster is if Peterman beats out Yates for the BU spot.

I think that this is true. If Peterman gets to #2 than they may just kick Yates to the curb and PS Cardale. If TT goes down you can just add Yates back.