The Wiz Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Ask Kevin Everett how bad our training and medical staffs are. When they found out he had a neck injury they rubbed aloe Vera on his foot. What does that tell you!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Car keys. Â I HATE when THAT happens! When they found out he had a neck injury they rubbed aloe Vera on his foot. What does that tell you!?!? He has soft feet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I think they were named best in football a couple years ago. They were, but even as someone who doesnt agree with the OP, I still don't get how. Surely there's got to be a better staff out there, or are they just grading by volume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â This is, as the kids say, 100! Â Â And, damn, me either - good stuff! Â Thats a keeper of a shot Heitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) You have a bunch of men 220-370 pounds running full speed into eachother and falling all over eachother. What the hell you thinks going to happen? Things are going to break, bodies are going to ache, brains are going to get scrambled. The only time teams and fans complain about is injuries is when your losing. Go out and win some games and no one will be posting about Ragland. Â Only complaint or suggestion I'd make is when a guy shows up fat and out of shape run him for the entire camp. Ragland looked like he was smuggling donuts in the back of his pants, MD looks like he had the rest of Ragland's donuts in his Moobs. Brandon Spikes is in better shape than both of them and the only football he has played is on PlayStation. Edited August 9, 2016 by Commonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 You have a bunch of men 220-370 pounds running full speed into eachother and falling all over eachother. What the hell you thinks going to happen? Things are going to break, bodies are going to ache, brains are going to get scrambled. The only time teams and fans complain about is injuries is when your losing. Go out and win some games and no one will be posting about Ragland. Â Only complaint or suggestion I'd make is when a guy shows up fat and out of shape run him for the entire camp. Ragland looked like he was smuggling donuts in the back of his pants, MD looks like he had the rest of Ragland's donuts in his Moobs. Brandon Spikes is in better shape than both of them and the only football he has played is on PlayStation. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacarri and coke Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Thurman ran for 1600 yards at OSU with a torn ACL!OP's are allowed to start threads here with partially torn medula oblongatas apparently as well Edited August 9, 2016 by bacarri and coke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The Bills medical staff at work   I thought it was a doctor pulling this thread from Estelle's azz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 I thought it was a doctor pulling this thread from Estelle's azz. Zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) So you can't go from a partial tear to a full tear from not treating it properly. You should make sure everyone knows this doc. Â Â The poster I followed was responding to your contention that the Bills shouldn't have let Ragland walk off the field. Specifically you made the statement "1. Rather than use precaution they let Ragland walk of the field on his own with a partially torn ACL. Even though it was a non contact injury which almost always involves a tear of some sort." Â Depends upon ancillary injuries, but people can walk around (with reasonable care) on even fully torn ligaments without causing further damage. That's a fact. Â That fact does not imply or support the statement "you can't go from a partial tear to a full tear by not treating it properly". That is a non-sequitor and a straw man. You can, of course, but walking straight ahead has a low probability of this, especially once a careful evaluation has been performed IOW it is not generally considered to be "not treating it properly" Â But pray, proceed - since you appear to be on a nice little crusade here. Â PS while you're asserting your medical knowledge, would you care to source your statement that "non contact injuries almost always involve a tear of some sort"? Thanks! Â Partial tear? It's a grade 2 sprain. Â Tom, that's what makes it a grade 2 sprain, you know that right? Stretched and partially torn ligaments with some instability but a definite end point = grade 2? Edited August 9, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I love to eat soup quickly before it cools off too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Walking off the field with an ACL iinjury has zero impact. What silliness. you are no more qualified to make this statement than Getty was to make his... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 you are no more qualified to make this statement than Getty was to make his... Â Whatever you say sparky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 My gut is this thread is born out of the frustration of injuries, but that is the NFL. Watch training camp on the NFLN. Teams all over the league are dealing with injuries. I can buy the split field may have encouraged more soft tissue injuries at the beginning of last year as Rex stated in an interview. I was actually impressed with his candor over that decision. Â I'm not a doctor, but in the medical field for 18 years, and been in surgery, interventional procedures for most of this time. It is kind of silly for lay people to debate over things like whether you can walk off a field with an ACL tear. If you've watched the NFL for some time, then you have watched more than enough games where a guy walks off the field in a game, and nods up with an ACL tear. I'll give you one example with Tyron Matthews last year. Their medical staff allowed him to walk off the field and he had a full tear. Â I know we're all frustrated with these injuries, but he medical staff is not causing the injuries. It is simply monstrous guys with freakish speed going all out to make a living and some get hurt. The only culpability is when you have a guy like Karlos Williams coming to camp 25 lbs. overweight. That's unacceptable, and on him. He's at risk to get hurt, so the medical staff wisely chose for him basically to get in shape vs. practicing and getting hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I still think all these ligament injuries the league has been seeing in modern times is due to the amount of muscle players are putting on their bodies. But I'm not a doctor, so I guess I'll just say the Bills suck because a guy sprained something or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 OP's are allowed to start threads here with partially torn medula oblongatas apparently as well Medula oblongatas-- That's a Queen tune right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Â Whatever you say sparky. His names not sparky, Sally Edited August 9, 2016 by Estelle Getty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) His names not sparky, Sally  Thanks for the info Golden Girl. Have a cup of tea and stop posting silliness on TSW. Edited August 9, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The only recent thing I'd have issue with the medical staff for is clearing Lawson pre-draft saying he wouldn't need surgery while other teams moved him down because they knew he'd need to go under the knife sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I love to eat soup quickly before it cools off too much. Me too, but I'm always wary of eating the first slice of pizza too quickly. You can really burn the roof of your mouth with hot-hot pizza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Arizona Cardinals Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/01/16 WR John Brown Head PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/30/16 DL Red Bryant Achilles QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 07/30/16 DB Mike Jenkins Hand QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 07/30/16 DL Robert Nkemdiche Ankle QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season Atlanta Falcons Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 04/27/16 DB Jalen Collins Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 at Denver Baltimore Ravens Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/04/16 DL Bronson Kaufusi Ankle DOUBTFUL Doubtful for start of season 08/01/16 WR Chris Moore Foot QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 07/29/16 TE Crockett Gillmore Hamstring QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 07/28/16 RB Kenneth Dixon Knee PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/05/16 WR Darren Waller Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 vs. Washington 04/27/16 TE Nick Boyle Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 12 vs. Cincinnati Buffalo Bills Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/08/16 DL Marcell Dareus Undisclosed PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/08/16 LB Reggie Ragland Knee DOUBTFUL Doubtful for start of season 08/08/16 WR Sammy Watkins Foot PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/08/16 DL Kyle Williams Knee PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/29/16 LB Manny Lawson Upper body NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 07/29/16 WR Kolby Listenbee Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 07/18/16 RB Karlos Williams Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 at Los Angeles Carolina Panthers Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/31/16 DL Kony Ealy Head PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/31/16 DB Leonard Johnson Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season Chicago Bears Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/04/16 WR Alshon Jeffery Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/04/16 LB Danny Trevathan Knee PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/01/16 TE Zach Miller Head PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/01/16 WR Eddie Royal Head PROBABLE Probable for start of season Cincinnati Bengals Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/02/16 DB William Jackson Chest DOUBTFUL Doubtful for start of season 08/02/16 TE Tyler Kroft Knee QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 04/27/16 LB Vontaze Burfict Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 4 vs. Miami Cleveland Browns Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/08/16 TE Gary Barnidge Hernia PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/03/16 WR Andrew Hawkins Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/28/16 DL Desmond Bryant Chest NFI NFI. Out for season 07/25/16 WR Josh Gordon Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 vs. New England 07/11/16 LB Armonty Bryant Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 vs. New England Dallas Cowboys Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/05/16 LB Andrew Gachkar Thumb DOUBTFUL Doubtful for start of season 08/03/16 RB Ezekiel Elliott Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/03/16 QB Kellen Moore Ankle DOUBTFUL Doubtful for season 08/01/16 DL Tyrone Crawford Back PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/30/16 TE Gavin Escobar Achilles QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 07/29/16 RB Darren McFadden Elbow NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 07/29/16 LB Damien Wilson Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 07/28/16 LB Jaylon Smith Knee NFI NFI. Doubtful for season 07/01/16 DL Demarcus Lawrence Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 vs. Cincinnati Denver Broncos Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/28/16 LB DeMarcus Ware Back NFI NFI. Probable for start of season 07/27/16 DB Aqib Talib Leg NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season Detroit Lions Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/06/16 TE Eric Ebron Achilles QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 08/04/16 RB Theo Riddick Undisclosed PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/30/16 RB Ameer Abdullah Shoulder PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/29/16 LB DeAndre Levy Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season Green Bay Packers Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News No Injuries Reported Houston Texans Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News No Injuries Reported Indianapolis Colts Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/26/16 DB Clayton Geathers Foot NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 07/22/16 DL Arthur Jones Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 at Houston Jacksonville Jaguars Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/29/16 DB Mike Hilton Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 07/29/16 WR Marqise Lee Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/29/16 RB T.J. Yeldon Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/11/16 DB Aaron Colvin Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 6 at Chicago 04/30/15 WR Justin Blackmon Suspension SUSPEND Suspended indefinitely Kansas City Chiefs Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News No Injuries Reported Los Angeles Rams Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/31/16 WR Stedman Bailey Head NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season Miami Dolphins Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/05/16 WR DeVante Parker Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/31/16 DL Dion Jordan Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season Minnesota Vikings Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/30/16 WR Cordarrelle Patterson Shoulder PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/29/16 QB Taylor Heinicke Foot NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season New England Patriots Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/07/16 WR Julian Edelman Foot PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/03/16 WR Chris Hogan Shoulder PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/11/16 TE Michael Williams Knee OUT Out for the season 04/27/16 QB Tom Brady Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 at Cleveland New Orleans Saints Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/31/16 WR Vincent Brown Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season New York Giants Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/02/16 WR Odell Beckham Ankle PROBABLE Probable for start of season New York Jets Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/08/16 RB Khiry Robinson Leg PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/11/16 DB Darrelle Revis Wrist PROBABLE Probable for start of season 06/30/16 DL Sheldon Richardson Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 2 at Buffalo Oakland Raiders Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/11/16 LB Aldon Smith Suspension SUSPEND Eligible to apply for reinstatement in November 04/27/16 RB Marcel Reece Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 vs. San Diego Philadelphia Eagles Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/05/16 RB Ryan Mathews Ankle PROBABLE Probable for start of season Pittsburgh Steelers Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/02/16 DB Senquez Golson Foot DOUBTFUL Doubtful for start of season 07/28/16 DL DeVaunte Sigler Undisclosed NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season 03/14/16 WR Martavis Bryant Suspension SUSPEND Suspended for 2016 season San Diego Chargers Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/01/16 WR Steve Johnson Knee DOUBTFUL Doubtful for start of season Seattle Seahawks Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/07/16 RB Thomas Rawls Ankle PROBABLE Probable for start of season 08/01/16 RB C.J. Prosise Hamstring PROBABLE Probable for start of season 07/31/16 TE Cooper Helfet Foot QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season San Francisco 49ers Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/31/16 DB Jaquiski Tartt Leg NFI NFI. Probable for start of season 07/30/16 DL Ian Williams Ankle NFI NFI. Questionable for start of season Tampa Bay Buccaneers Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News No Injuries Reported Tennessee Titans Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 08/05/16 DB Marqueston Huff Suspension SUSPEND Eligible to return Week 2 at Detroit 08/04/16 WR Kendall Wright Hamstring QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 08/01/16 LB Aaron Wallace Ankle QUESTIONABLE Questionable for start of season 04/27/16 WR Andrew Turzilli Suspension SUSPEND Suspended until Week 5 at Miami Washington Redskins Date Pos Player Injury NFL Status Fantasy News 07/28/16 LB Junior Galette Achilles NFI NFI. Out for season 04/27/16 RB Silas Redd Suspension SUSPEND Suspended indefinitely 07/09/14 DB Tanard Jackson Suspension SUSPEND Suspended indefinitely Updated: Tue Aug 9 08:38:27 EDT 2016 Injury Categories PUP - Physically Unable to Perform IR - Injured Reserve OUT - Definitely will not play Doubtful - 75 percent chance will not play Questionable - 50/50 chance of playing Probable - Virtual certainty of playing http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I can't remember serious injuries when the Bills practice inside the field center. Does it have a/c? Â Out in the heat mistakes happen . JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Me too, but I'm always wary of eating the first slice of pizza too quickly. You can really burn the roof of your mouth with hot-hot pizza. Â Does that land you on reserve:non-football-injury or would that be PUP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Â Does that land you on reserve:non-football-injury or would that be PUP? Depends. Could be either but definitely Physically Unable to Chew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 Depends. Could be either but definitely Physically Unable to Chew. I suppose i dont get your big bang theory low level humor. Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I can't remember serious injuries when the Bills practice inside the field center. Does it have a/c? Â Out in the heat mistakes happen . JMO Â In seriousness, the stat I'd like to see is how teams that practice and play on grass compare to teams that practice and play on turf, for injuries to the ankle and knee. I've seen several players, especially OLmen, quoted as saying that turf is far harsher on the body than natural grass. Theoretically, I can see why that might be so. First there's the underlayer, concrete vs dirt, even hard-packed dirt is softer. Second, if you pivot on grass and your foot catches, a divot of grass will possibly tear before your ligaments do. Â But perception is perception and reality is reality, so I'd like to see stats. It would have to be somehow limited to practice and home games, or else add to the turf statistics when a team is playing away on turf. Â I "get" that it's tough to keep a grass field in good shape in a northern climate late into the season, but these days with greenhouse technology so improved I believe it could be done - if statistics bear it out. Depends. Could be either but definitely Physically Unable to Chew. Â I don't know, Nanker, that seems like a lot to swallow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Me too, but I'm always wary of eating the first slice of pizza too quickly. You can really burn the roof of your mouth with hot-hot pizza. Â Q: How did the hipster burn the roof of his mouth? Â A: He bit into his pizza before it was cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I get it your angry... but random ACL tears when no contact is present is the result of a previous injury that all of the sudden fails. This was a ticking time bomb with ragland. Â Seriously though, blaming the trainers for rib injuries and ankle sprains??? Take it easy guy, lets just be happy these are happening now and not during mid-season when guys can possible heal before week 1. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I get it your angry... but random ACL tears when no contact is present is the result of a previous injury that all of the sudden fails. This was a ticking time bomb with ragland. Â Seriously though, blaming the trainers for rib injuries and ankle sprains??? Take it easy guy, lets just be happy these are happening now and not during mid-season when guys can possible heal before week 1. Â Or he just stepped funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I suppose i dont get your big bang theory low level humor. Please elaborate. Your answer lies in the post below... PUC not PUP.   Q: How did the hipster burn the roof of his mouth?  A: He bit into his pizza before it was cool.  Estelle sweetie, you can take your issues up with these gentlemen:  Dr. Leslie J. Bisson - Team Physician and Orthopaedic Consultant – Buffalo Bills Dr. Mark S. Fineberg - Team Physician - Buffalo Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I have a feeling your that guy who looks forward to weddings not because you are happy for the couple but because you like taking over the dance floor as it is your only time to shine. Wearing the finest line of wedding garb Walmart had to offer in 1993. You are that weird uncle with a checkered past they have to invite out of obligation to their aunt. Â And although you look like a sweaty mess of a person that you are you elicit enough laughter from the creeped out on lookers to give you a reason to roll your obese ass out of bed the next morning. But they are laughing at you, not with you. Am I close bud? Â Now this is kind of funny. A complete ad hominem attack and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, but actually funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Â Whatever you say sparky. just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Bills Fan Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 wow, in a contact sport injuries happened and the staff gets blamed, good call dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 wow, in a contact sport injuries happened and the staff gets blamed, good call dude. Â It was a non-contact injury, but somehow the medical staff is at fault for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) The facts don't bear out the theory that the Bills suffer more injuries being perpetuated in this thread. It exists in the heads and perceptions of some. The numbers show the Bills to be average in that regard: Â Man Games Lost: Â 2012: 15th (166) 2013: 19th (154) 2014: 28th (138) 2015: 10th (171) Edited August 10, 2016 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Seahawks 2nd round pick Jarran Reed was carted off of practice today with ankle injury  Andrew Billings also carted off in Cincy with leg injury. Bengals 1st rd pick William Jackson already out for most of year with torn pec Edited August 10, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 The facts don't bear out the theory that the Bills suffer more injuries being perpetuated in this thread. It exists in the heads and perceptions of some. The numbers show the Bills to be average in that regard: Â Man Games Lost: Â 2012: 15th (166) 2013: 19th (154) 2014: 28th (138) 2015: 10th (171) Facts, shmacts. What matters is what you BELIEVE is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 the blame game is amusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Walking off the field with an ACL iinjury has zero impact. What silliness. this here ^ are you kidding me Estelle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Facts, shmacts. What matters is what you BELIEVE is true. 'Merica 2016! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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