Big Turk Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tampa Bay traded up in the second round giving away 3rd and 4th round picks to draft.... A KICKER!!! LMAO!!!! At least we got a stud defensive player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 When you put it like that.... Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 In today's NFL, that PK may see more snaps per game than a LB that can't play in the nickel or dime defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) LOL the trade up seems crazy but now they got a sure shot $$ kicker, that they probably could have got a round later but meh! Edited April 30, 2016 by Marty McFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 In today's NFL, that PK may see more snaps per game than a LB that can't play in the nickel or dime defenses. seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? well, the price would have been scrutinized and Whaley's sanity would have been questioned. Thing is though that kicker Could be one of the best kickers picked since the raiders grabbed the polish cannon. That kid,will win some big games if he pans out. and for many years. It's a physically low stress position. janikowski is entering his 16th or 17th season now. most games played by any Raider. And is still money. i rememeber when he was picked in round one the Raiders were laughed at. it worked. i wish the Bills could have got this kid in the 4th. If not just for freeing up a game day roster spot. Screw this ' kicking specialist' stuff. I never thought anyone would pay that price for him, but he was never going to last into the late rounds. maybe kickbacks being placed at the 25 this year will change the philosophy of having to kick deep in the end zone. the average kickoff runback is less than 25 yards. in the least the Bills need a guy who can nail PAT's. IMO Carp will be their kicker again this year. In the least they need to get him some competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? He's been advocating a 3rd on the FSU Kicker for some time now, and doesn't like the Ragland pick . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Love the Ragland pick. Not sure why bills had to give up 2 round 4 picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Love the Ragland pick. Not sure why bills had to give up 2 round 4 picks I agree with this. That seems like a lot to give up to move up a few spots in the 2nd. Love the pick though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? I think he would have bitched about that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) In today's NFL, that PK may see more snaps per game than a LB that can't play in the nickel or dime defenses. A kicker sees probably 10 snaps a game if you include XP and kickoffs. You're not supposed to DRINK the bong water, bud. Love the Ragland pick. Not sure why bills had to give up 2 round 4 picksIf you use the trade value chart, the difference between 41 and 49 is 80 points. #117 is worth 60. Their 5th is worth 28.6, so they could have offered that but then they only would have had the two 6ths today. Offering up a 4th from next year doesn't hurt so much when you have time to get it back. Maybe deal a player who doesn't have a role any more but would fit well elsewhere. Maybe use the 2017 5th they got for Cassel as part of a deal to recoup a 2017 4th. There's time and options. Edited April 30, 2016 by JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 If you look at the Bills draft history since 2000 in the fourth round it's pretty underwhelming. Don't think they gave up as much as people think. Ragland was projected to go as high as 12. If the Bills got that level of player the deal will turn out to be a no brainer. We now have a group that looks much more suited to run Ryan's defense. I think this was a great move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Guys, the local sports radio in Tampa calling it the "WTF" pick. I was shocked as Licht is a good GM coming from Arizona where he built a great team out West. The argument that you have a stud K who could be there for 15 years is fine, but front office changes and easy to try and save money after his rookie contract and cut a kicker. I thought it was foolish. I would never take a K before the 4th round. As to Ragland, it bugs me when people from we "gave up a 2nd, and two 4ths". No, we swapped our 2nd round pick. We didn't give up a 2nd, so bottom line is we gave up two 4th round picks. Considering we have a 4th in compensatory, and we'll get another 4th in compensatory picks next year for Bradham makes it palatable to me. If your someone who doesn't like Ragland thinking he's only a two down back, I can accept that argument. I disagree I believe the Bills staff can work with him in pass coverage and keep him nice and lean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) If you look at the Bills draft history since 2000 in the fourth round it's pretty underwhelming. Don't think they gave up as much as people think.Actually, I just looked at the list and the last 8 fourth rounders are/were all pretty solid contributors, which is more than you can say for the last 7 second rounders. Cockerel was cut but he now starts for Pittsburgh, and the Bills took him one pick before Martavis Bryant. There is plenty of talent in the fourth round. This franchise continues to not get it. Edited April 30, 2016 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Guys, the local sports radio in Tampa calling it the "WTF" pick. I was shocked as Licht is a good GM coming from Arizona where he built a great team out West. The argument that you have a stud K who could be there for 15 years is fine, but front office changes and easy to try and save money after his rookie contract and cut a kicker. I thought it was foolish. I would never take a K before the 4th round. As to Ragland, it bugs me when people from we "gave up a 2nd, and two 4ths". No, we swapped our 2nd round pick. We didn't give up a 2nd, so bottom line is we gave up two 4th round picks. Considering we have a 4th in compensatory, and we'll get another 4th in compensatory picks next year for Bradham makes it palatable to me. If your someone who doesn't like Ragland thinking he's only a two down back, I can accept that argument. I disagree I believe the Bills staff can work with him in pass coverage and keep him nice and lean. Who doesn't like a 258lb ILB who runs a 4.6 and whose play reminds people of Ray Lewis? 4th rnders come and go so I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 How much did you drink before you made this post? A kicker sees probably 10 snaps a game if you include XP and kickoffs. If you use the trade value chart, the difference between 41 and 49 is 80 points. #117 is worth 60. Their 5th is worth 28.6, so they could have offered that but then they only would have had the two 6ths today. Offering up a 4th from next year doesn't hurt so much when you have time to get it back. Maybe deal a player who doesn't have a role any more but would fit well elsewhere. Maybe use the 2017 5th they got for Cassel as part of a deal to recoup a 2017 4th. There's time and options. Good thoughts. I didn't think of it that way. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I, for one, am very excited about Ragland. As someone else stated, we still have a 4th, 5th, 5th and 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I, for one, am very excited about Ragland. As someone else stated, we still have a 4th, 5th, 5th and 6th. its actually 4th(comp), 5th, 6th and 6th(comp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 The extra 4th this year from comp pick and extra 5th next year (from cassel trade) likely made this trade easier to do from bills perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) dont forget whenever a team trades away a pick for up coming year that pick isnt valued the same as current year..so the 4th the Bills traded from 2017 isnt valued as an actual 4th right now...I hope that made sense lol Edited April 30, 2016 by Tsaikotic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 well, the price would have been scrutinized and Whaley's sanity would have been questioned. Thing is though that kicker Could be one of the best kickers picked since the raiders grabbed the polish cannon. That kid,will win some big games if he pans out. and for many years. It's a physically low stress position. janikowski is entering his 16th or 17th season now. most games played by any Raider. And is still money. i rememeber when he was picked in round one the Raiders were laughed at. it worked. i wish the Bills could have got this kid in the 4th. If not just for freeing up a game day roster spot. Screw this ' kicking specialist' stuff. I never thought anyone would pay that price for him, but he was never going to last into the late rounds. maybe kickbacks being placed at the 25 this year will change the philosophy of having to kick deep in the end zone. the average kickoff runback is less than 25 yards. in the least the Bills need a guy who can nail PAT's. IMO Carp will be their kicker again this year. In the least they need to get him some competition. Analytically speaking there is virtually NO correlation between FG percentage year to year, and kickoff distance is actually the more valuable trait and is more consistent year to year. With KO distance being marginalized if not completely taken out of the equation with TouchBacks moved to the 25 yard line, this makes little to no sense to give up those picks to draft a kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Guys, the local sports radio in Tampa calling it the "WTF" pick. I was shocked as Licht is a good GM coming from Arizona where he built a great team out West. The argument that you have a stud K who could be there for 15 years is fine, but front office changes and easy to try and save money after his rookie contract and cut a kicker. I thought it was foolish. I would never take a K before the 4th round. As to Ragland, it bugs me when people from we "gave up a 2nd, and two 4ths". No, we swapped our 2nd round pick. We didn't give up a 2nd, so bottom line is we gave up two 4th round picks. Considering we have a 4th in compensatory, and we'll get another 4th in compensatory picks next year for Bradham makes it palatable to me. If your someone who doesn't like Ragland thinking he's only a two down back, I can accept that argument. I disagree I believe the Bills staff can work with him in pass coverage and keep him nice and lean. Not sure why you have this rule. If you have a kicker who is the next Janikowski or Gotskowski, he will be your teams highest scoring player for many years. Why is that worse than blowing a 2nd on a mediocre OL guy or an NT or a 3rd on a shaky WR or JAG LBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 This has been discussed. When you factor in the salary cap, getting a great kicker under contract at a rookie rate for four or five years is a significant savings, because most elite kickers are acquired via free agency at $4-$5M per season. If he's truly elite, it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I think this is funny....many of you who criticize every move the Bills make are ok with Tampa trading up to get a K.....yet pissed off that Whaley moved up 8 spots to get a starting LB. Would you have preferred he picked the K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Aguayo is a stud at FG's, but the knock is KO's. If I'm taking a kicker high, much less moving up to get him, I'm expecting the total package. That being said, I hope the Bills give serious consideration to Ka'imi Fairbairn in the 6th, if he's there. He can do it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? DOOM AND GLOOM would have been the general consensus probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I think this is funny....many of you who criticize every move the Bills make are ok with Tampa trading up to get a K.....yet pissed off that Whaley moved up 8 spots to get a starting LB. Would you have preferred he picked the K? A sure thing K? Why not? Ours blows. Aguayo is a stud at FG's, but the knock is KO's. If I'm taking a kicker high, much less moving up to get him, I'm expecting the total package. That being said, I hope the Bills give serious consideration to Ka'imi Fairbairn in the 6th, if he's there. He can do it all. That won't matter any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Actually, I just looked at the list and the last 8 fourth rounders are/were all pretty solid contributors, which is more than you can say for the last 7 second rounders. Cockerel was cut but he now starts for Pittsburgh, and the Bills took him one pick before Martavis Bryant. There is plenty of talent in the fourth round. This franchise continues to not get it. How can you say the second round has not been good to the Bills over the years? Thurman Thomas Cordy Glenn Aaron Williams Robert Woods Ronald Darby Aaron Schobel One HOF player and five very solid contributors - this is just off the top of my head there are probably more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) A sure thing K? Why not? Ours blows. A K in 2nd round and you would be ok with that? You disagree with everything and everyone on this board and you would have no problem with a K in 2nd round......where is the guarantee he is a sure thing? Edited April 30, 2016 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Aguayo is awesome. It won't be funny when Carpenter is kissing extra points again. Edited April 30, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 That won't matter any more. I'm betting the new KO rule will be changed after the season when they realize it's leading to more returns and thus more chances for injuries. Which is opposite of what they want to see happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I would have taken Aguayo in the 4th rd This draft is all in for Rex's D , Jaylon and Myles went before I would have taken them also. Whaley is playing it safe so far , I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I would have taken Aguayo in the 4th rd This draft is all in for Rex's D , Jaylon and Myles went before I would have taken them also. Whaley is playing it safe so far , I agree Yep they have to play it safe. If they don't fix this defense then they will all be out of a job. Rex is "all in" on turning this D around. We are 1 good safety away from what we needed to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I would have taken Aguayo in the 4th rd This draft is all in for Rex's D , Jaylon and Myles went before I would have taken them also. Whaley is playing it safe so far , I agree Agree with all of this. 4th sounds perfect. Tampa really wanted him kudos to them for overpaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 LOL the trade up seems crazy but now they got a sure shot $$ kicker, that they probably could have got a round later but meh! A kicker having trouble with distance so may need to sign a kickoff specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Dude, it's Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 A K in 2nd round and you would be ok with that? You disagree with everything and everyone on this board and you would have no problem with a K in 2nd round......where is the guarantee he is a sure thing? Not only a 2nd, but a 3rd and 4th from Tampa at least. That is far too pricey IMO. Anyone remember Mike Nugent? http://www.ganggreennation.com/2011/4/7/2095517/top-ten-new-york-jets-draft-busts-7-mike-nugent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Dude, it's Tampa. I didn't agree with the pick, but overall don't be surprised if they don't have a winning season this year. I like the promotion of Cutter, he put together a highly productive offense, great running game, and they are bringing in talent on the defense. Most importantly, Mike Smith was a great DC before a head coach and very experienced to improve the defense this year. McCoy is going to compliment Spence really well. Still stupid to pick the kicker that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBackersChicago Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Career stats at FSU (not bad weather) from 40+: 23 of 32 (71.9%). Last year 4/7 from 40-49, 1/3 from 50+. I know people talk about him like a stud, but are these really that great of numbers? I ask because I have no idea. Doesn't seem that impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'm betting the new KO rule will be changed after the season when they realize it's leading to more returns and thus more chances for injuries. Which is opposite of what they want to see happen. 105451341565437568769567% agree. it won't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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