Nanker Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Do you think that it would be a consideration for the Bills to have two completely different game plans for each half? I've often thought that very thing. I've seen countless games where a team completely abandons what was working in the first half and does something entirely different in the second. Game planning in halves - I think that does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Maybe someone can find Buster Douglas and we put him on the sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 No one is giving us a chance. Not even a lot of Bills fans and our local media. I think we are going to surprise a lot of people and this extra time helps a lot. Helps with game planning and helps with recovery. The loss of Lewis is huge in my opinion as their current RBs are not nearly as much of a threat in the passing game. They also got injuries on the Oline and we could, potentially, come into this game the healthiest we have been all season. We got a real shot at winning this game and I'm pumped. I really hope you are right but they still have tom brady and belichick. I have been so optimistic in games before against the pats and the bills break my heart every time. Until the bills beat the pats, it's hard to have faith but In saying that you never know. If the bills were win, that would be their biggest win as a franchise in decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I dunno man. I think they're gonna bury us. And...I damn sure hope I'm wrong. A victory in Foxboro would really go a long ways in making us legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I've often thought that very thing. I've seen countless games where a team completely abandons what was working in the first half and does something entirely different in the second. Game planning in halves - I think that does happen. Game plans are constructed around situational football, the opponent's tendencies in those situations, and personnel matchups. There isn't a separate plan prescribed for each half but there are certainly halftime adjustments made in response to the opposition. Then again, these adjustments are occurring throughout and usually are made after a series or two of scripted plays that reveal how certain things are defended. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Won't matter. The Cheats will dial something up, and if it doesn't work, halftime adjustments will kill us. Yay! Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We need every advantage we can get, and having a healthy roster again will be a huge plus. We're going to have to put up at least 30 pts to win because there's no stopping Gronk, and Edelman always seems to find a way to come through for Brady when he needs him. I do like our corners against their receivers though. Pats will most likely double Sammy and stack the box against the run and force TT to go to his other receivers. Clay and Woods have to come through for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) I think that Belichick would be scheming to make Brady hold the ball. I think he'd use a LB like Bradham to clobber Gronk when he lines up tight to the LOS (trailing him with Graham or McKelvin) and play press all day against Edelman. When Gronk flexes out, he'd play man coverage with Gilmore (like he did against Jimmy Graham with Aquib Talib). He'd play the entire game in nickel with McKelvin and Graham as the safeties so that they essentially have 5 CBs on the field. He'd also assign one of his 5 DBs to the RB every play. Straight up man coverage on all the passing targets. Sure, it exposes guys to getting beat, but that's the price you pay for making Brady hold the ball. After that, he'd have his front 4 in attack mode. Dare the offense to try to beat you with counters and draws by Blount. subscribed ! I'm tired of hoping for Brady injuries to occur. It's sad and pathetic. This time I'm rooting for food poisoning. Welcome to the club ! You can't play a traditional defense against a team that plays no traditional offense. If you march out there and do exactly what you've done before thinking you're some kind of stonecutter and on the 1,000 strike you'll beat them with "your" predictable system that's gotten you two coaching jobs, you'll lose the game. You almost have to install a special scheme for the Pats and require your players to be smart and execute it. Absent a mortal day from Brady, we will lose that game because Ryan is predictable. seems easy enough? I dunno man. I think they're gonna bury us. And...I damn sure hope I'm wrong. A victory in Foxboro would really go a long ways in making us legit. Jay a Win in Foxboro , is The Only Way for us to be legit for real. Maybe Ryans arch nemesis, i might guess? Game plans are constructed around situational football, the opponent's tendencies in those situations, and personnel matchups. There isn't a separate plan prescribed for each half but there are certainly halftime adjustments made in response to the opposition. Then again, these adjustments are occurring throughout and usually are made after a series or two of scripted plays that reveal how certain things are defended. GO BILLS!!! Break the norm. do something different. I like the idea. still comes down to execution of said plan. regardless. We need every advantage we can get, and having a healthy roster again will be a huge plus. We're going to have to put up at least 30 pts to win because there's no stopping Gronk, and Edelman always seems to find a way to come through for Brady when he needs him. I do like our corners against their receivers though. Pats will most likely double Sammy and stack the box against the run and force TT to go to his other receivers. Clay and Woods have to come through for us. Fatalist. there is always a way. But against the Patriots you need to cover everything all the time. because , as soon as they find a weakness, they are smart enough to exploit it. Being healthier is going to make for a more interesting game this go round. And Bills players are starting to "getit" Edited November 15, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Rest is good. Now if there were no such thing as REFS we would probably have a legitimate shot at this game. The REFS would never let us go into new england and spoil the pats perfect season on prime time no less. Really we should be preparing to make such a stink about the calls that were going to get against us the league has to address the issue regarding the phantom calls the pats get and how they dont get called for their own penalties. Mark my words it will be truely criminal what the REFS do to us next monday. Hate to be that guy but what is the definition of insanity? Fyi we are still making the playoffs and very likely will be playing the colts in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I think the bills should just play all the backups and give the starters 18 days of rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 McKelvin can cover Gronk. He is very physical with great vertical. His weakness is biting on double moves. Hopefully Rex sees this as well because we don't have a safety that can match up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Blitz Blitz Blitz Blitz and More Blitz. Remember KC game week 4 last year? Relentless pressure dismantled NE. Stop overthinking the scheme. I'd rather get burned by sending pressure than burned laying back in coverage. Probability says you are gonna hit Brady the more you Blitz and make him think about it the next time he drops back (or the 50 times he drops back). BTW Blitz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 My strategy for beating the Pats... Never punt or kick fgs. Not even on 4th and long from our own 1. Ok that's a little extreme, but if beyond our 40 then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I think the bills offense needs long, TOP killing drives. Just gotta keep brady off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I know that most people are writing the Pats* game off as a loss, but if they Bills lose to them they will be 5-5 (0.500) through 10 games. That is exactly where they found themselves last season so it will be hard to say that they have many any real improvements even after all the spending. It also means that they will most likely need to go 5-1 the rest of the way to make it into the playoffs, which is pretty unlikely when you've gone 5-5 up to that point. If you're a 0.500 team what are the chances that you're going to go 5-1 in a stretch of 6 games of? In short, I think this is a game that they've got to have to make a statement that this team is better than last season, that they are a playoff team and that they are a threat to not just eek into the playoffs but to make some noise when they get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleed Bills Blue Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Blitz Blitz Blitz Blitz and More Blitz. Remember KC game week 4 last year? Relentless pressure dismantled NE. Stop overthinking the scheme. I'd rather get burned by sending pressure than burned laying back in coverage. Probability says you are gonna hit Brady the more you Blitz and make him think about it the next time he drops back (or the 50 times he drops back). BTW Blitz! Well, if we're talking about changing things up, this might be the way to do it. Why not? Would be preferable to death by a thousand cuts, those frustrating, long, dink and dunk drives down the field. Pats use the rules to their advantage. Their receivers are good at shielding with their bodies and Brady is great at putting the ball in places that forces our defenders to reach in/around to break up the quick pass. I mean, our talent is pretty good at doing that, but you can't avoid contact forever, and the PI penalties will mount. Then the frustration ratchets up and the personal fouls begin. If we're going to lose, we might as well have fun doing it! Like Coastie said above, let's pressure their O line and dictate to them. Attack, not react. Brady is the machine gunner on the cliff, overlooking the beach. You have to take that nest out or you have no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I know that most people are writing the Pats* game off as a loss, but if they Bills lose to them they will be 5-5 (0.500) through 10 games. That is exactly where they found themselves last season so it will be hard to say that they have many any real improvements even after all the spending. It also means that they will most likely need to go 5-1 the rest of the way to make it into the playoffs, which is pretty unlikely when you've gone 5-5 up to that point. If you're a 0.500 team what are the chances that you're going to go 5-1 in a stretch of 6 games of? In short, I think this is a game that they've got to have to make a statement that this team is better than last season, that they are a playoff team and that they are a threat to not just eek into the playoffs but to make some noise when they get there. Wake up! 9-7 for sure gets a wild card this year in a very weak AFC. Good chance 8-8 does. We have to go 4-3 the rest of the way which isn't just doable, but probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I think the bills offense needs long, TOP killing drives. Just gotta keep brady off the field. This is exactly my thought. Glad someone finally said it. For all the talk about effective ways to stop Brady and Gronk, the Bills best chance is to keep them out of the equation as much as possible. The Bills need to have sustained, clock-eating drives that result in points. Use Felton or 2 best TE to block for McCoy and Karlos and grind it out. I totally disagree with the other viewpoints that suggests blitz, blitz, blitz. Committing half the defense to blitzing Brady is a waste of manpower when the guy gets rid of the ball in under 2 seconds. Instead, why not take a page out of Belichick's superbowl XXV playbook and go with 6 or 7 DBs flooding the zones and go with a 3 man rush. Dare them to run. If the Bills can get points off of sustain drives, make plays on special teams, and avoid stupid penalties, they might have a chance. If they let Brady have his way and rely on TT to play catch up, it could be a long night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Please, it's Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady, we could have a 100 days to prepare and it will likely make no difference. Only way to beat that team is to hit Brady early and often, and score TD every opportunity you get. That might not be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Maybe someone can find Buster Douglas and we put him on the sidelines. No Don King though!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 That's just wrong. its sick and im thinking the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I may have to stop watching the game of football if we try the passive drop everybody in coverage approach which teams try but never works against Brady. All it does is allow him to stand there and make completions completely comfortably and untouched. I don't care if he gets the ball off in 2.1 seconds, at least make him uncomfortable if he does by getting in his face, and getting a shot in every single play - even if it's only a shove. Then when he's uncomfortable the completions don't come so easy. The pressure is not only about getting sacks, it's about not letting him stand there like a statue a whole game playing a game of catch completely untouched. Take away the inside slants and make him throw outs - that's a pass he simply is not good at making anymore, esp. when he's uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) I know that most people are writing the Pats* game off as a loss, but if they Bills lose to them they will be 5-5 (0.500) through 10 games. That is exactly where they found themselves last season so it will be hard to say that they have many any real improvements even after all the spending. It also means that they will most likely need to go 5-1 the rest of the way to make it into the playoffs, which is pretty unlikely when you've gone 5-5 up to that point. If you're a 0.500 team what are the chances that you're going to go 5-1 in a stretch of 6 games of? In short, I think this is a game that they've got to have to make a statement that this team is better than last season, that they are a playoff team and that they are a threat to not just eek into the playoffs but to make some noise when they get there. we don't need to determine anything after 10 games, first of all. Second, they have 5 AFC wins at this point. Last year, they had 5 all season (Or 4 if you don't count the last Pats exhibition game). That's what gets teams in the playoffs - conference wins. Edited November 14, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm hopimg that they play a lot of press coverage. I want to see Darby and McLovin on the boundaries, with Gilmore shadowing Gronk all game. Jerry is going to wreak havoc this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I'm hopimg that they play a lot of press coverage. I want to see Darby and McLovin on the boundaries, with Gilmore shadowing Gronk all game. Jerry is going to wreak havoc this game. i have wondered if Rex might blitz more this time. In the 2nd week of the season he may not have had as much trust in Darby as he does now to blitz with a safety vs Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 we don't need to determine anything after 10 games, first of all. Second, they have 5 AFC wins at this point. Last year, they had 5 all season (Or 4 if you don't count the last Pats exhibition game). That's what gets teams in the playoffs - conference wins. After all the spending and trades- a new HC coach, McCoy, Taylor, Harvin, Incognito, Clay, Roman, Darby, "the new 46 defense", and many other "improvements" and hype- to be sitting at 5-5 just like last season, and to know that they can't beat NE*, just like last season, is pretty deflating. What did all the stuff they did mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 After all the spending and trades- a new HC coach, McCoy, Taylor, Harvin, Incognito, Clay, Roman, Darby, "the new 46 defense", and many other "improvements" and hype- to be sitting at 5-5 just like last season, and to know that they can't beat NE*, just like last season, is pretty deflating. What did all the stuff they did mean? If you think this team, especially on offense, is anything like last season's team, you're not watching the games closely enough. This team is deeper, faster, can actually run the ball, and is better coached. The last 7 games are much less daunting than last year's final stretch of games too. What did all the stuff they did mean? A playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 After all the spending and trades- a new HC coach, McCoy, Taylor, Harvin, Incognito, Clay, Roman, Darby, "the new 46 defense", and many other "improvements" and hype- to be sitting at 5-5 just like last season, and to know that they can't beat NE*, just like last season, is pretty deflating. What did all the stuff they did mean?what does anything mean after 10 games? The end of the season is where you determine things. Who cares if they are 5-5 both years at the 10 game mark? Last year's result wasn't determined then and neither is this year's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) If you think this team, especially on offense, is anything like last season's team, you're not watching the games closely enough. This team is deeper, faster, can actually run the ball, and is better coached. The last 7 games are much less daunting than last year's final stretch of games too. What did all the stuff they did mean? A playoff team. Offense is better, defense and ST are worse. Since the new HC is a defensive specialist and their defense has underperformed, I think you can question if they are better coached. Not to mention all the discipline and time management problems. At this point they look no better than last year's team. I don't know if they're ready to do it but they really need a statement win to prove otherwise, IMO. what does anything mean after 10 games? The end of the season is where you determine things. Who cares if they are 5-5 both years at the 10 game mark? Last year's result wasn't determined then and neither is this year's.10 games is a pretty good sample size. Edited November 14, 2015 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) 10 games is a pretty good sample size. and yet determines nothing ... Sample size for what exactly? Edited November 14, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 i have wondered if Rex might blitz more this time. In the 2nd week of the season he may not have had as much trust in Darby as he does now to blitz with a safety vs Brady. Good point about trusting Darby. I hope you're right about blitzing more this time around. Just force the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 and yet determines nothing ... Sample size for what exactly? To see how good the team is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Philly game is first game he is eligible to active I heard the same thing, and also KW won't be back until the following week. I certainly hope Kyle can make a miraculous come back and have a monster game. Mario will be fine, and McKelvin is a nice addition on the defense. Now, will we finally play press on these guys, and smack them in the mouth. We need a LB like Bradham nailing Gonk at the LOS, and then Graham or McKelvin picks him up. Slow those damn WR down so it gives our front four to get to Brady. It's the only way to slow them down. BB will try and take away our best weapon which is the run, so when they game plan for McCoy, we need an answer with Karlos Williams. We need a big Clay day. I still think we have a minimal chance of beating them, but beating them would be amazing. God bless our Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) To see how good the team is.are they subject to the CFB playoff committee's weekly rankings? No, this is the NFL. They will make the playoffs or they won't in due time but otherwise "fan opinion of how good they are in week 10" is meaningless IMO. Edited November 14, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 This is a game we pull out all the stops in. If we win we only need 3 of 6 to make the playoffs. Tyrod as integral part of the running game. Lots of wildcat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 In Week Two the Pats* had 10 days to prepare for our Bills. I felt then it was a huge advantage. But I think the 11 days we have now is an even larger advantage given the dire need for rest. I trust Greg Roman and Dennis Thurman will gin up a great game plan to present to Rex when he gets back from Syracuse (that's where Clemson plays tomorrow). Hoping all three Williams will be back, Shady will be full strength, Tyrod will be healed and Sammy will be as explosive as ever. Actually, I am hoping, after two incidents of radio failures, that the bills throw away the NFL provided headsets, and buy something that really works. TT burned two timeouts, maybe three on this problems. Seems to me this ranks up there with a great game plan. It would be big not to have this happen again (sarcasism) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Offense is better, defense and ST are worse. Since the new HC is a defensive specialist and their defense has underperformed, I think you can question if they are better coached. Not to mention all the discipline and time management problems. At this point they look no better than last year's team. I don't know if they're ready to do it but they really need a statement win to prove otherwise, IMO. They have better coaches across the board. As much as Ryan gets hated on, he's twice the coach Marrone was and, unlike players under St. Doug, guys are performing better the longer they're in the system. To say they aren't better coached than under the last regime just ain't true. But here's the question, if they look better than last year's team at this point, what point are you making with your original post: "What did all the stuff they did mean?" Clearly you've answered your own question. They've improved as a team, comparing them to last year's squad is an exercise in futility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 just went back to the Jets v NE game.. only got into the 2nd qtr, but the Pats haven't gotten moved the ball at all against their 4-2-5.. Jets have varied their coverages - but basically laid out a hi-lo blanket across the field with cover 3 and 4, and mixing in some man with cover 1 high safety who he occasionally walked down into the box. i'm thinking the Pats early throw-throw- throw gameplan was in response to what their perceived chances were in running the ball. obviously, Belichick didn't like how his O line matched up with the Jets' fronts - particularly, their front 4. so far, the Jets left DE and DT are crushing the Pat's right side, while their left side is collapsing too. Brady looks very uncomfortable, and his timing is off. i'm not sure if they have a first down yet. Fitz fumbled deep in in his own end on the Jets 1st possession, and Pats kicked FG on 4th. gotta go put my rakes away, but i'm curious how the Pats responded. i know they eventually win a tough game, so i'm thinking Bowles did a good job countering all afternoon. my first impression is that our personnel could defend them this way for the first 20 minutes, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Tyrod is going to put up points.....he did it in the first pats game and he will do it here This game begins and ends with "Can the Bills stop Brady enough times to win the game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 After all the spending and trades- a new HC coach, McCoy, Taylor, Harvin, Incognito, Clay, Roman, Darby, "the new 46 defense", and many other "improvements" and hype- to be sitting at 5-5 just like last season, and to know that they can't beat NE*, just like last season, is pretty deflating. What did all the stuff they did mean? We won't truly know until the end of the season standings. The new HC was forced by Marrones departure, so let's get that out of the way. To expect that all the changes and acquisitions that come with that will work to perfection out of the gate is a bit removed from reality. Another bit of reality is that the Bills ( or apparently the rest of the NFL) isn't beating the Pats until Brady retires or someone nearly as good emerges/ is acquired. That doesn't mean that the Bills moves are for naught , as they are right in the thick of the playoff race. The division may be unwinnable as previously stated, but the playoffs are attainable. That's a reasonable goal for a Bills team that has gone nowhere for a decade and a half. Anyone paying attention in the offseason realized the Bills didn't have the QB to actually overtake New England. The Bills are stuck in the AFC East, so the division is far more closed off than the other 7. Only unrealistic expectations would make that realization deflating. The Bills tried to get better and close the gap with the playoff contenders. They were going nowhere with EJM or even Orton at QB, so it meant they weren't going to stand still. We'll see if it produces a playoff berth in year one , and the Bills are in position with tiebreaks to control their own destiny. That's a big difference than last season when they were thin on all important AFC wins but went 4-0 vs NFC north. So the record may be the same, but Bills fans can be ok with that knowing their team has beaten the " right teams" to get them to the postseason . They need to continue this going forward, just be glad their will be no requirement of beating the Pats to get into the tournament . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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