papazoid Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) To date, the Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year geez, i thought they owed less fumbling to deflated balls ?? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/15/patriots-quietly-have-the-nfls-most-effective-running-game/ Edited January 5, 2016 by papazoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Dion Lewis fumbled twice in his first two games. I guess they were on pass plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Dion Lewis fumbled twice in his first two games. I guess they were on pass plays?and Brady fumbled vs the Bills. And they pass like 80 percent of the time. They have only played 4 games, it's not like it proves anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 not enough body of work to draw any conclusions yet. Will cold and rain make a difference? snow? like other sports both teams should play with the same ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 has anybody double checked the air pressure in the footballs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why the 'running play' qualifier? Might as well put a "Misleading Stat Alert!" tag on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year geez, i thought they owed less fumbling to deflated balls ?? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/15/patriots-quietly-have-the-nfls-most-effective-running-game/ geez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Why the 'running play' qualifier? Might as well put a "Misleading Stat Alert!" tag on this thread. As I said in the "look how often they've fumbled" thread, it's still a small sample size so draw conclusions at your own peril. With regards to the disclaimer of rushing plays, I'd venture a running back having secured the ball is a more true indicator of psi than Brady getting chopped (ball coming out regardless of psi) or muffing a kick for example. Like I said, it's waaaay too early but outside of gray, it doesn't seem to be skyrocketing like some posters insisted it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 has anybody double checked the air pressure in the footballs? Exactly. They were exonerated. Why would they stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Exactly. They were exonerated. Why would they stop? They lost $1M and 2 draft picks, they weren't exonerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 15, 2015 Author Share Posted October 15, 2015 colts better be ready for payback sunday night. bet NE runs up the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Can Mario Williams please knock Gronkowski on his ars in the first three plays jamming him at the LOS. Gronk is tough, but he is not Super Mario. I'd rather take him out and blitz with a safety or CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Exactly. They were exonerated. Why would they stop? No, they were not exonerated. The judge just ruled that The League was too heavy-handed in doling out the punishment to Brady (before going off to join Robert Kraft at a shee-shee dinner party in the Hamptons). Court is adjourned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 As I said in the "look how often they've fumbled" thread, it's still a small sample size so draw conclusions at your own peril. With regards to the disclaimer of rushing plays, I'd venture a running back having secured the ball is a more true indicator of psi than Brady getting chopped (ball coming out regardless of psi) or muffing a kick for example. Like I said, it's waaaay too early but outside of gray, it doesn't seem to be skyrocketing like some posters insisted it would. Then note how many NE fumbles were strip sacks of the QB this year and in previous years. Do likewise for other teams when comparing. A WR or QB with the ball tucked away should absolutely count. Ignoring those fumble - especially for a team that runs so little - is clearly misleading through intent, bias or stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 geez what the heck...was there ever an explanation for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 the Colts are already sipping their warm milk and curling up in their blankees in anticipation of the ass kicking that is coming. As much as I hate New England (and I do) and as much as every TD Brady throws is one closer to the all-time record (which he wants) I almost don't mind the idea of seeing them drop 80 on the wimpy colts this weekend, just because the colts have failed time and time again to stop them and haven't even shown up in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 The Patriots are one of only five teams in the league that hasn’t fumbled on a running play this year geez, i thought they owed less fumbling to deflated balls ?? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/10/15/patriots-quietly-have-the-nfls-most-effective-running-game/ Well some are trying to put air into the P*ts balls using their lips. Thanks for effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Then note how many NE fumbles were strip sacks of the QB this year and in previous years. Do likewise for other teams when comparing. A WR or QB with the ball tucked away should absolutely count. Ignoring those fumble - especially for a team that runs so little - is clearly misleading through intent, bias or stupidity. have at it - it wasnt some hard hitting advanced stat. if someone is tracking "type of fumbles" situationally, it could be interesting but im guessing its not easy access like "rushing fumbles" which kind of acts as some bar napkin subsitute. i likewise wasnt defending as some end all be all stat. and just an FYI... its not like NE is wildly out of line for attempts. 3 more rushes per game would put them dead center of the league in carries per game. Edited October 15, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 The Patriots have led the league mostly the past 10 years in least fumbles. The don't fumble, they catch everything, their receivers go 5 yards on 3rd and 4, and they don't take stupid penalties. It's why they win, and we can learn from them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 have at it - it wasnt some hard hitting advanced stat. if someone is tracking "type of fumbles" situationally, it could be interesting but im guessing its not easy access like "rushing fumbles" which kind of acts as some bar napkin subsitute. i likewise wasnt defending as some end all be all stat. and just an FYI... its not like NE is wildly out of line for attempts. 3 more rushes per game would put them dead center of the league in carries per game. Don't try to be reasonable. You are supposed to rage and rail against the Patriots, not note when attacks against them seem exaggerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) So, I recently had a date with a Patriots fan. Well, two of them. The first one was amazing (she moves to Dallas to work for a fashion company) and we're going to be just friends but the other - we ended up screaming at each other about deflategate and all things the Pats have done to cheat. Things she said: Wells Report was inconclusive Brady was proven not a cheater by the court His phone being destroyed was normal Back in the day everyone taped each other Doug Flutie - I didn't know he said that Ross Tucker saying they practiced IR players? "I bet all teams do, how many guys on steroids are on the bills?" Buffalo is on the site "everyone cheats" .com or whatever, go read what they did! Buffalo had that stupid horn go off when they played each other! It went on and on. She threw **** at me. Edited October 16, 2015 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 geez what the heck...was there ever an explanation for that? Wondering the same thing... anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Wondering the same thing... anyone? I've seen that happen before its when the clock isn't reset like an error by refs Now can't say This is what happened but I think stuff like that would be to obvious to cheat and get away with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) BUMP http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/most-fumbles-and-fumbles-lost/2015/ Tom Brady 5 fumbles Lost 2 Deon Lewis 2 fumbles Lost 1 L Blount 1 fumble Lost 0 Hoomanawanui 1 fumble Lost 1 Julian Edelman 1 fumble Lost 1 also ties in with this thread http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/181252-fumbles-fumbles-fumbles;-pats-truth-revealing-itself/?p=3695133 Last year the pats* fumbled 13 times, but only lost 4. An entire season so far mid season(ish) 10 fumbles Lost 5 Their numbers have inflated. Edited November 20, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Did anyone else notice that the Bills have not thrown a INT or fumbled in snowy conditions in 2015? They have also held teams to 0 points this season in Monday night games. Just some stats to think about.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Can Mario Williams please knock Gronkowski on his ars in the first three plays jamming him at the LOS. Gronk is tough, but he is not Super Mario. I'd rather take him out and blitz with a safety or CB. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Did anyone else notice that the Bills have not thrown a INT or fumbled in snowy conditions in 2015? They have also held teams to 0 points this season in Monday night games. Just some stats to think about.... This topic was of interest to a few of us here as we wanted to correlate whether or not the softer balls actually affected the fumbling by the team that has had the fewest in the NFL since Tainted Tom championed the NFL to have each team control their own footballs on the sideline. It would put to bed one of our cheating conspiracies. My apologies that you don't see it as interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalos#1Fan Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I recall that the Law Firm (Benjarvus Green-Ellis) had never fumbled for like the first 8 years of his career. NE definitely stresses ball protection to its players, half their players are worried they are going to get cut if they !@#$ up, even veterans do not have that job security (except TB of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I recall that the Law Firm (Benjarvus Green-Ellis) had never fumbled for like the first 8 years of his career. NE definitely stresses ball protection to its players, half their players are worried they are going to get cut if they !@#$ up, even veterans do not have that job security (except TB of course) I recall the Law Firm (Darby-Gilmore-McKelvin) hawking balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I recall that the Law Firm (Benjarvus Green-Ellis) had never fumbled for like the first 8 years of his career. NE definitely stresses ball protection to its players, half their players are worried they are going to get cut if they !@#$ up, even veterans do not have that job security (except TB of course) You always hear the BB benches and or cuts players who fumble. With the exception of Lewis this season and of course Saint Tainted Tom. BB no likey fumbling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 geez On incompletions, they will run this :40 clock to give the refs time to retrieve a ball and spot it. If you listen, the referee is saying something on the mic so that :40 clock shouldn't be relevant due to a game delay, therefore a :25 clock should be blown in... ...I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Patriots cut Chris Harper following muffed punt http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000591750/article/patriots-cut-chris-harper-following-muffed-punt We are reminded why they do it so infrequently. Muff a punt, ruin a perfect season - get canned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Patriots cut Chris Harper following muffed punt http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000591750/article/patriots-cut-chris-harper-following-muffed-punt We are reminded why they do it so infrequently. Muff a punt, ruin a perfect season - get canned. If only we did this the first time McKelvin muffed a punt, or at least took him out of that role for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 They've fumbled 11 times so far this year. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2015.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) They've fumbled 11 times so far this year. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2015.htm I tried to add them up and that single chart is confusing If I read it right they had 16 last season (total). So they are on pace with 1 per game on average. Counter to that 16 in 2014 (see bottom of post) We've discussed that the fumble #'s generally increase in December due to the cold weather. So fingers crossed Deflategate truly has a meaning We're #1 so far in 2015 http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-fumbles-and-fumbles-lost/2015/ # 1 Buff Bills 22 fumbles - 7 Lost # 26 Patriots 11 fumbles - 5 Lost 2014 NFL season - # 31 Cheatriots 13 fumbles (missing 3 from PFR) - 4 Lost Edited December 3, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 They're using stick 'em this year or in some other way cheating obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 They're using stick 'em this year or in some other way cheating obviously. LOL They've fumbled 11 times so far this year. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2015.htm 12 fumbles with 3 games to go. The theory isn't working in your favor Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 LOL 12 fumbles with 3 games to go. The theory isn't working in your favor Nanker Not "my" theory. Just stating a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Not "my" theory. Just stating a fact. BB legit like - fires people for fumbling. That's my theory on why people don't fumble. They know they won't be on the team if they do. You gotta establish your spot with that team to be able to fumble and still play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOVABillsFan Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Not "my" theory. Just stating a fact. my bad, I thought it was you who associated Deflategate with fumbling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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