Dragonborn10 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Numbers, especially when looked up after 3 months, can be very deceiving. Many of those yards could have come in garbage time when the game was already out of reach. The issue with Fitz was that he would throw INTs at very inopportune moments and suck the air out of the team. You could never hope that Fitz will score the TD in the 4th quarter to win the game (There were a few exceptions like the one against the Patriots). He was an inconsistent QB with a lousy arm, but could read defenses well. And what is Cassell? A limp arm dink and dunk guy like Edwards. Like I posted, Fitz and the 2012 defense was a nightmare. Fitz and the 2014 or 2015 defense would be special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Fitz had gimmicks like the beard and wedding ring to distract us from losing. Cassel doesn't insult our intelligence with such trifles Actually you were distracted by his beard and wedding ring so I guess insulting your intelligence applies and is right. Many liked Fritz that despite his shortcomings he never gave up even if he needed to run or block like Jimbo did. Now the contract extension is a different matter but that is more of an issue with front office; he did the intelligent thing and signed extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 On October 28, 2011, Fitzpatrick signed a six year, $59 million contract extension including a $10 million signing bonus with the Bills. He had three 300-yard performances in the 2011 season, with a season high 369 yards vs. the Patriots. Let's pretend like we were paying him what he's actually worth. Would you rather - Fitzmagic or Cassel? You're kidding right? We know what Fitz can/can't do. I'd rather see what Cassell has to offer than go back to Fitzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I hate to say it but I think I would rather have Fitz with this offense. Neither are going to be very good. Both are capable of tremendous sucktitude. I think Fitz's smarts would help with this team, and he can probably run a little better. Fitz and Roman would probably have some great discussions and ideas. Right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Right... Oh c'mon. Fitz's son could figure that out in 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I liked Fitz when he was a Bill. That's old news now. It's Cassel now and that's that. But there is also EJ and even Tyrod. So, basically if they are a Bill, they are now part of the fambase. Can't get behind Fitz because went over to the dark side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Oh c'mon. Fitz's son could figure that out in 5 seconds. You might be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 And what is Cassell? A limp arm dink and dunk guy like Edwards. Like I posted, Fitz and the 2012 defense was a nightmare. Fitz and the 2014 or 2015 defense would be special. Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but wasn't one of the knocks against Fitz that he couldn't throw a 10+ yard ball? That's not to say Cassell could either though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Fitz at his lower salary!!! No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I really don't ever want to see Fitz wind up and throw his entire body into a 15-yard out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Fitz, only cause my dog is named Fitzy, after the bearded one. I don't like the dog much, so like when I yell "M F er, Fitz, how could you do that"...and see the dog run for cover it makes me happy Edited March 24, 2015 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Hater Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think Cassel could be very effective...he has performed fairly well on good teams before but none of those teams had the level of talent this one does...I'm predicting a Rich Gannon like comeback where a middling QB takes off once surrounded with offensive weapons...both actually have very similar statistics pre Gannon with the Raiders He went 11-5 with NE in 2008. I think that team had incredible talent. They were 16-0 the year before . Moss, healthy Welker etc,,,Hopefully, Cassell can go back to that version instead of the Vikings'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Cassel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It's like asking me if I would prefer broccoli or brussel sprouts. Can't I avoid them both? But if forced to choose, I would take Cassel over Fitz. Cassel at least had a Pro Bowl season once when surrounded by a good cast. It would be hard to imagine a scenario where Fitz would be invited to PB. And I agree with qwksilver, when defenses figured out that Fitz couldn't throw deep with any accuracy, they started sitting on the short routes. Cassel at least can kind-of, sort-of make all the throws an NFL QB needs to make. Defenses will, I think, need to defend more of the field when Cassel is under center. I really don't ever want to see Fitz wind up and throw his entire body into a 15-yard out again. This is funny. The best QBs make tossing a football 60 yards down field look easy. Fitz, on the other hand, exerted every muscle in his body and grunted like an Olympic shot putter when throwing 30 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but wasn't one of the knocks against Fitz that he couldn't throw a 10+ yard ball? That's not to say Cassell could either though. Fitzpatrick definitely had issues putting enough zip on intermediate routes. Cassel can actually throw a pretty nice lofty long ball from what I have gathered. Not sure about his fastball though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Neither.... Fitz is a 100% certain he will.never lead you to the playoffs. That sums up my opinion as well. I know Cassel has a better arm but my guess is that he isn't as probably can't get the ball out as quickly or read defenses as well. If Fitz had even a mediocre arm he would be fantastic but any pass longer than 20 yards was a struggle for him and he couldn't throw anything outside the hash marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Fitz has no chance of connecting deep. Cassel can. I'd rather have Cassel. Right... Either Fitz or Rainman's work I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstealer Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Fitz has gritz He's tough as nails. I can't imagine sitting upright--let alone play NFL football with a broken rib. Matt C. has good vision down field though--good at play action--but can we hold long enough for play action to work?? Soo many questions. I'll take Fitz ahead of Matt C. 'cause the devil we know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I thought Fitz should of stayed when we drafted EJ. But the fan base already ran him out of town that being said Cassel and Fitz are pretty much equal in my eyes. Pick'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I really don't ever want to see Fitz wind up and throw his entire body into a 15-yard out again. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUNNY AS HELL!!!!!!!!!! (I didnt know it was funny in hell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 No Coke. Pepsi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I like Sh*tspatrick where he is. Think of the late game INTs the Bills will be getting when playing the Jets!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Fitz and I don't think it's close. Cassel hasn't had a good season in 5 years. Fitz, as flawed as he is, has looked like a much more passable qb than Cassel the last 4 seasons. Cassel = Orton. Fitz is probably equal to then but I give him the edge because he is a warrior and gets every ounce of physical talent out of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 people, please: when you ask a question with a finite set of answers, do us the courtesy of including a poll so that quantitatively-inclined people can wrap their head around the issue in their own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Fitz and I don't think it's close. Cassel hasn't had a good season in 5 years. Fitz, as flawed as he is, has looked like a much more passable qb than Cassel the last 4 seasons. Cassel = Orton. Fitz is probably equal to then but I give him the edge because he is a warrior and gets every ounce of physical talent out of himself. I can live with a Orton type qb if it is the ortion of the first 3 weeks he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I can live with a Orton type qb if it is the ortion of the first 3 weeks he was here Um, that's Orton. Then he becomes the average at best journeyman for the rest of the season as he has been his whole career. I don't doubt Cassel could have a good game or 2. But then he will become the Matt Cassel who is on his 4th team. Side note, how good were Orton's first 3 weeks? We barely score a td against Det and our offense sucked most of the game against Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Um, that's Orton. Then he becomes the average at best journeyman for the rest of the season as he has been his whole career. I don't doubt Cassel could have a good game or 2. But then he will become the Matt Cassel who is on his 4th team. Side note, how good were Orton's first 3 weeks? We barely score a td against Det and our offense sucked most of the game against Minnesota. C That is a bit of revisionist history.....Orton was putting the ball on recievers in those games and they were dropping them...... The running game was pretty much putrid all year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 C That is a bit of revisionist history.....Orton was putting the ball on recievers in those games and they were dropping them...... The running game was pretty much putrid all year With all due respect (and I can prove it if you like), I posted a comment I heard from a Denver radio station about Orton before he started a game for us. He said that Orton moves the ball well between the 20s but struggled mightily to score tds. And minus the Jets games, that's what he did. The reason guys like Orton, Cassel, & Fitz bounce around is because they aren't good enough to be starters but can be good spot starters. You are severely limited in what Your ceiling is. Cassel will have a good game, people will talk him up and want to give him an extension. Then when he finished below average like most of his career suggests, we will be like why did we start Matt Cassel? I'd always rather go with the young guy over the passed around veteran. I really think it will be hard for any qb to screw up this team. As bad as people make EJ out to be, if the defense held onto 2 leads his rookie year (Ne and ATL), he has a winning NFL record. I will have a soft spot for Fitz. If Jay Cutler had Fitz' attitude, he'd be q franchise qb. But you will always be severely limited with these guys. At this point in their careers, they are what they are. And that's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I like Fitz better but I'd choose EJ & Tyrod over both. I wish I could put Fitz's heart, brain & passion into their frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Cassel vs Fitz on this team? tough call. Because Roman might pull a Gailey, with Fitz with this talent. But if you cant threaten the long ball with any accuracy. ya got nothin' . Fitz got found out before London massaged his ribs.it could be done I suppose. . But Manuel is who they want to start anyways. so let me ask this folks? Who would you rather have as the #2, regardless of who starts? And its fair to consider the Cap in this exercise. So Cassel over (Fitz (love ya Man, gritzy as they get ) to answer the OP. Edited March 25, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Cassel...no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Cassel...no doubt I think he has something left actually , not alot mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAC'dUp Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Let's have a real competition between EJ and Taylor for the starter, Cassel beats Fitz as the walk on backup because he can hold the fort. If EJ steps up or Tyrod proves to be a dynamic playmaker to go along with our already loaded arsenal....watch out Edited March 25, 2015 by JAC'dUp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 You guys are only saying Fitz because you have no idea what Cassel is going to bring to this team (neither do I just sayin) When was the last time Fitz EVER led a team to a 10 win season......or made the pro bowl? Probably the last time he had Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe who was the TE was it Fasano, Moeaki or was it Gonzalez? Cassel excelled in a fool proof NE system and with a top coach.... give Fitz sammy watkins and his yac yard capabilities rob woods and his crispy route running. AND lesean mccoy? Awwww snap. Turn around and give cassel david nelson chandler lee smith donald jones and naaman Roosevelt and then lets see... just saying lets level the playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Cassel CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Fitz or Cassel is like asking Chevette or Acadian. Does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Depends on which Fitz is on the field. The good Fitz or the horrible Fitz. Same can be said for Cassel. Both have good games and really bad games at times. At least Fitz would dive headfirst to get a 1st down knowing he was going to get wacked. Let's see if Matt will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Same age, same completion %, same YPA, I'll take the new guy who is bigger and has a lower career interception rate to be our backup and mentor to EJ, even though I love rooting for Fitz. If you have to pick one to play with our defense and our running game, turnovers should be one of the key things to focus on, but I hope Cassel doesn't see the field much and EJ takes the step forward we all hope and many of us expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 With all due respect (and I can prove it if you like), I posted a comment I heard from a Denver radio station about Orton before he started a game for us. He said that Orton moves the ball well between the 20s but struggled mightily to score tds. And minus the Jets games, that's what he did. The reason guys like Orton, Cassel, & Fitz bounce around is because they aren't good enough to be starters but can be good spot starters. You are severely limited in what Your ceiling is. Cassel will have a good game, people will talk him up and want to give him an extension. Then when he finished below average like most of his career suggests, we will be like why did we start Matt Cassel? I'd always rather go with the young guy over the passed around veteran. I really think it will be hard for any qb to screw up this team. As bad as people make EJ out to be, if the defense held onto 2 leads his rookie year (Ne and ATL), he has a winning NFL record. I will have a soft spot for Fitz. If Jay Cutler had Fitz' attitude, he'd be q franchise qb. But you will always be severely limited with these guys. At this point in their careers, they are what they are. And that's not good enough. C I just want to make sure I am understanding the argument you are trying to fight here..... Are you saying that wide receivers were NOT dropping Orton passes? You cannot "minus games".....all the games count just like every QB I want to point out that I am not singing Orton's praises....he seemed to play well at the start and was showing a "clutch" factor that this team is missing.....then all of a sudden it looked like he went into "I dont give a crap" mode.....then retired But for those first 3 games when Orton came in....I thought we actually had a NFL quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) I like Fitz better but I'd choose EJ & Tyrod over both. I wish I could put Fitz's heart, brain & passion into their frames. That would be insane. Ej out there not liking a play. Change up. Tyrod throwing a lead block and upending a linebacker. Fitz had all the tools... except arm. But he didnt know it. and thats what i loved most about him Edited March 25, 2015 by Agent 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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