todd Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 so why not roll the dice and give it a chance. Because we already have a guy we can roll the dice with that has just as much a chance, and it won't cost us a draft pick. RG has been dreadful. Way worse than EJ. Why would we bring someone worse than EJ to the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Anyone who says they wouldn't trade EJ Manuel and a mid round pick for Robert Griffin III needs to get their head examined. The only reason anyone on here even defends Manuel is because they speak of this magical untapped upside/raw talent that we have yet to see. With Griffin, not only is that upside WAY higher but we've already seen it. It doesn't matter though, it's not like Washington would ever make that trade anyway. Yes, the people who want to trade Manuel and a mid round pick for a guy that appears to have osteogenesis imperfecta are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) The writing is on the wall it's all over the media. RG3 will not be staying in Washington he will be moved. So what I want to know is, will the Bills try and trade for him lots of fire and smoke http://sportsglory.com/nfl/jay-gruden-wants-redskins-to-trade-robert-griffin-iii/38207 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/03/12/ryan-clark-says-rgiii-is-not-jay-grudens-guy-and-redskins-want-to-go-in-different-direction-at-quarterback/ http://youtu.be/2KaQxQMmsao Edited March 22, 2015 by billsareback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Being a huge Bills fan while living here in the DC area,I am praying this is just off season speculation and has no basis in fact.RG3 is an egomaniacal instagramming showboat who has consistently out his needs and desires before the Skins..From his All in Game 1 marketing campaign to his family being the only family members allowed in the team facilities and team plane..he just isn't a team player.. His stats,excluding Hus rookie year suck and his teammates have gone on record to say he is out of control.. Give me an improving EJ with only 14 games under his belt to an overrated over hyped player who cares not a stitch about winning.other than his post game quotes from the losing teams locker room. Go Bills Go EJ!!!!Was he "not caring about winning" when he went out there with a knee held together with duct tape and dreams and insisted on staying in the game and playing hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Was he "not caring about winning" when he went out there with a knee held together with duct tape and dreams? Caring about winning while the game is being played and caring about being prepared to win are two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Caring about winning while the game is being played and caring about being prepared to win are two completely different things. so very true...caring about winning and caring about wanting to guy who wins are also different things. RG3 seems hung up on winning *his* way..not his coaches way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 1) who cares? 2) see #1 I care. It doesn't blow your mind that someone who cares enough about the Bills to spend their time posting on a Bills fan site doesn't know how to spell the name of the QB they took in the first round two years ago? Because we already have a guy we can roll the dice with that has just as much a chance, and it won't cost us a draft pick. RG has been dreadful. Way worse than EJ. Why would we bring someone worse than EJ to the team? See the three things I bolded: 1. Nope, not even close. 2. He has certainly had some issues following his rookie year but you do realize that was only two years ago and was pretty much one of the better rookie QB seasons in the history of the sport of football, right? 3. I don't know what planet some of you people live on. I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I would say that if anything, Washington would have to include a high round draft pick to us, not the other way around. RG3 doesn't even know his drops (3 step, 5 step, 7 etc.). No thanks - I'll stick with EJ for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) I would say that if anything, Washington would have to include a high round draft pick to us, not the other way around. RG3 doesn't even know his drops (3 step, 5 step, 7 etc.). No thanks - I'll stick with EJ for now. Wow. Just wow. Edited March 22, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 yup the blind leading the blind. They have no clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 yup the blind leading the blind. They have no clue I'm not saying I'm all about going out to try and get RGIII. Quite truthfully, if I had to bet, I don't think it's happening for him at this point either. But if it were a matter of trading EJ Manuel and a mid round pick to take a chance on Griffin instead of Manuel, you would have to be insane not do that. Again, two years ago, RGIII had one of the best rookie seasons by any player in the history of the NFL. Has he regressed since then? Of course. But even in his second season he still played at a level higher than Manuel has ever played. Again, this trade is not happening because Griffin is probably worth a 2nd round pick and EJ Manuel is probably worth a 6th round pick. I didn't realize the level of delusion on this website regarding some people's perceived value of EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 if you don't think the Browns, Jets, are not going to get involved your foolish. This is not a Cutler kind of deal. You will not get RG3 without giving up some draft picks or a player and a Pick. glad you are not a NFL GM you would never get a trade done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Anyone who says they wouldn't trade EJ Manuel and a mid round pick for Robert Griffin III needs to get their head examined. The only reason anyone on here even defends Manuel is because they speak of this magical untapped upside/raw talent that we have yet to see. With Griffin, not only is that upside WAY higher but we've already seen it. It doesn't matter though, it's not like Washington would ever make that trade anyway. Guess I need my head examined then. Griffin is about as boom or bust as you can get. Frankly, the bust part turns me off. I want no part of it. We have an improved team over last year now and we do not need to gamble. We can get to the big game without this headcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If ever there were a player in the history of the NFL that needed a change of scenery, it's Robert Griffin III. If there's any merit to Washington's willingness to trade him, I expect the Bills to make a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 If RG3 is a bust then EJ is a total failure. let me get this straight RG3 had one of the best Years a rookie QB ever had in NFL History and he is still very young. This guy needs a coach that can work with him. That's like you having a boss at your work saying bad things about you. Then saying he can't work with you because you don't fit into there concepts and plans. How long will it be before your fired or you look for a new Job. Does that make you a bad guy. Does that mean you can't be successful and work some where else and be productive. Use your eyes look at what RG3 was before the Injury and all this miss handling and rushing him back. RG3 guy is and always will be a Franchise QB. EJ is a pretender, there not cut from the same cloth. RG3 is healthy, he has recoverd from his Injuries. He needs a change of scenery and a coach that can mold him and use his God given talents. Is RG3 a primadona sure he is show me what QB isn't. But he is the perfect fit for what Roman is trying to do. You know what they say one mans trash is another mans treasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 RG's problem is that he wants to do it his way. He doesnt want a coach to take the RGIII out of him. He has the problem that Vick had in the early years. I would only deal for RG if I were convinced that he had finally grown up and decided that he wanted to be a real NFL QB, and not just be RG III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Let's get back on topic, would you trade EJ for RG3 and a 4th or 5th round Draft choice in this years NFL Draft. This is the 8th "trade for RG3" thread started here this off season. What makes yours so...special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Guess I need my head examined then. Griffin is about as boom or bust as you can get. Frankly, the bust part turns me off. I want no part of it. We have an improved team over last year now and we do not need to gamble. We can get to the big game without this headcase. If you are that certain that he is a headcase and would disrupt our locker room somehow then I suppose that's a fair argument. I don't know the guy as well as you do apparently. But strictly speaking from a football standpoint, yes you would need your head examined if you wouldn't trade EJ Manuel and a mid round pick for Griffin. As for anyone who disagrees, I hope you realize that Griffin is worth a lot more than EJ Manuel and a mid round pick and that the Bills would jump all over that trade and the Redskins would never make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 My question is would you trade E.J Manual and a middle round draft pick for RG3. Of course. But I think if this was to happen, we would have to give up way more than the above. WAY more!!! EJ is highly regarded on this board because he was a first round pick. It is a modern day version of the Losman Syndrome. There are posters who STILL think that Losman was "misused," etc. But, EJ is not highly regarded around the league, or even by Bills management. If he was, they would not have acquired 2 new qbs. Actually, it's hard for me to understand why some people cannot see this, but dialogue is why we are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 RG's problem is that he wants to do it his way. He doesnt want a coach to take the RGIII out of him. He has the problem that Vick had in the early years. I would only deal for RG if I were convinced that he had finally grown up and decided that he wanted to be a real NFL QB, and not just be RG III. From the way outside looking in, I think part of his problem is that he seems to have a golfer-like mentality. What I mean by that is he has an individual sport mentality. Football is all about team and becoming a band of brothers. Not sure how you'd mesh RGIII's individual minded personality within the team concept. I guess before you make the trade you have a real long conversation about whether he is willing to change his tune and be about the Buffalo Bills team and not about RGIII. If he continues to push for wanting to be left alone and stay on an island then I'd have to pass. If he sincerely wants to change his approach and be all about promoting his team mates then I'd trade for him. As much as I am a supporter of Manuel, I think that RGIII is a better QB and he may become a great player if put in the right system. If that system is what Roman is going to do here then I think that might be the game changer which would propel the team to greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 This is the 8th "trade for RG3" thread started here this off season. What makes yours so...special? because today there was new info through the beat reporter of the Skins saying RG3 could be had in a trade if it brought a QB back to the Skins. Gruden is using the media which would be to say he wants him gone That's why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If RG3 is a bust then EJ is a total failure. let me get this straight RG3 had one of the best Years a rookie QB ever had in NFL History and he is still very young. This guy needs a coach that can work with him. That's like you having a boss at your work saying bad things about you. Then saying he can't work with you because you don't fit into there concepts and plans. How long will it be before your fired or you look for a new Job. Does that make you a bad guy. Does that mean you can't be successful and work some where else and be productive. Use your eyes look at what RG3 was before the Injury and all this miss handling and rushing him back. RG3 guy is and always will be a Franchise QB. EJ is a pretender, there not cut from the same cloth. RG3 is healthy, he has recoverd from his Injuries. He needs a change of scenery and a coach that can mold him and use his God given talents. Is RG3 a primadona sure he is show me what QB isn't. But he is the perfect fit for what Roman is trying to do. You know what they say one mans trash is another mans treasure. Can RG3 succeed as a pocket QB? If not , don't see how you can consider him to be a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Give them Tuel and a ham sammich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Roman wants a QB like Kapernick RG3 is better then Kapernick hence the reason to make the trade being clueless is not an excuse of not knowing what type of QB that Roman wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 EJ Manuel has no trade value and the Redskins gave two QB on their roster better than him. Trading for RG3- I'm all for it. But they will want draft picks, not EJ Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintonfallsbillsfan Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Hard to way what is up with Rg His rookie season was great, then he has not been exactly healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 I guess you did not read the articles from today they want a QB in return neither has EJ been healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Roman wants a QB like Kapernick RG3 is better then Kapernick hence the reason to make the trade being clueless is not an excuse of not knowing what type of QB that Roman wants. I don't think it's certain roman wants a QB like Kap at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 see Redskins beat Reporter and Gruden leaker of info from yesterday http://sportsglory.com/nfl/jay-gruden-wants-redskins-to-trade-robert-griffin-iii/38207 Its being talked about and reported on ESPN'S web page today that the Skins head coach Gruden wants RG3 gone. It just not his style of Qb that fits his offense You can't really force a square peg into a round hole and thats why he wants him gone. When you read the questions in the mail bag. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2405097-redskins-mailbag-part-2 http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/16163/redskins-mailbag-part-2-65 The reporter speculates that it will take a QB coming back to the Skins to get a trade completed. I think Gruden really likes Colt Mccoy and I think he will win the job. It does not make sense to keep RG3 because he is going to walk anyways. The water is poisoned In Washington for RG3. He will want a fresh start so the Skins would be wise to move him while they can still get something for him before he leaves via free agency. If you read the tea leaves and can forecast the future my bet is they will trade RG3 and probably do it at the draft. My question is would you trade E.J Manual and a middle round draft pick for RG3. I know I would, I am really hoping this goes down. I do not see how the Skins can go through another year of Drama and have him be the back-up to Colt McCoy. I really think they are going to move RG3 and if the Bills can land him and get him some good coaching under Roman then we are ready for a Superbowl run. I am on record of fully supporting this move. I hope it happens. I can't wait for the draft to see all moves and trades. If the Rams and Eagles can swap QB'S why not the Bills and Skins, it would do both players good to get a restart on there careers. no to bum knees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I fear that RG3 is too slender and frail to do what he needs to do, and what made him great as a rookie. He can't take the pounding of the NFL as a running QB. And if he can't run he is not nearly the threat. His mechanics have also totally broken down. It's possible, because of his natural talent, that if his head gets on straight, on another team, without Dan Snyder and with new coaching, that he could become a good QB in this league. But he doesn't seem to be doing to right things or taking the right action. I probably wouldn't try to trade for him, but if we did, I would tell him that Cassell is likely to be the starter, and that you will need to do everything you can to beat him out. That means know the playbook better, practice better, and beat him out on the field, in OTAs, training camp and preseason. We are giving you every chance to win the job but you are not getting it. Then see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 RG3 is broken. No thanks. That simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Then why did they sign Tyrod Taylor they need a threat of a QB that can run. RG3 does not have to run like he did before but the threat of it will be there. he is a great passer too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I probably wouldn't try to trade for him, but if we did, I would tell him that Cassell is likely to be the starter, and that you will need to do everything you can to beat him out. That means know the playbook better, practice better, and beat him out on the field, in OTAs, training camp and preseason. We are giving you every chance to win the job but you are not getting it. Then see what happens. Your course of action is sound, but are you saying that you would rather have EJ on the Bills than RG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ontario51 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Please no RG3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) If the Bills made a trade for RG3 it would be 75 percent for it and 25 percent against it. and the word most talked about would be the Bills are one of 3 favorites to go to the Super Bowl in the AFC , Pats , Den and Buffalo and this board would melt down. Edited March 22, 2015 by billsareback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coseybedaman Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Anyone who thinks RG3 would be a BAD thing in Buffalo is just plain ignorant. Out of every free agent, almost every traded QB over the past few years, and everyone on our roster, RG3 is the only guy who has shown significant ability at the NFL level. I am not saying he is a slam dunk, but there was a reason this guy was a pro bowler, 2nd overall pick, rookie of the year, and a playoff QB. We dont have anyone even close to that pedigree. Not to mention the guy has a reasonable rookie contract for next season as well. Its a joke to say RG3 couldnt be a huge upgrade for this team. P.S. not to mention this guy was always a high character player before the Redskins stuck him out on the field with a horrible injury only to watch it get worse. Now they are going to dump him? NFL loyalty for you. Trust me I am NO FAN of this guy, but comparing him to what we have or the Josh McCowns of the world is laughable. Edited March 22, 2015 by coseybedaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Your course of action is sound, but are you saying that you would rather have EJ on the Bills than RG? I really don't know to tell you the truth. I watched RG3 at the end of last year and he was terrible. If we trade and just hand him the job I will be excited to watch and see what he can do but I don't think he is the right fit for this offense UNLESS he changes dramatically. EJ is ok. I personally think that RG3 is shot and never going to be good again, so I think the chance of him becoming a franchise QB is close to the same chance as EJ, which is, say, less than 20%. But we only know so much from afar. Between Rex, Roman and Whaley, even though they haven't hit on franchise QBs before, they are smart guys and know football. They are not going to trade for RG3 just for the name and splash, IMO. They would know a lot more about what has happened to him and if he has his head in the game than I do. I see a crappy QB right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 it's only a joke to the people on this board who hate him. most logic thinking football fans know this would be a good move. Hell we might even cut EJ later this year. that's why you make the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coseybedaman Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I think there is still a small chance that EJ can play. He was never going to be good with Hackett & Marrone just like Kyle Orton wasnt. I am just worried his confidence is too far gone. I trust Doug Whaley and he saw EJ as a guy he "had to have" so it will be interesting to see if he has given up on him yet. I think a Bradford or Foles trade would have indicated we gave up on EJ. I am not so sure Matt Cassel indicates that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 it's really not that difficult. It's MANUEL, not MANUAL Did you read the manual on Manuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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