Foxx Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1117835381267808263 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 4:24 PM, Dante said: Pretty much have a monopoly on education (that we are forced to pay for like it or not) and now they want a monopoly on the food they can eat there? Nice scam. you can't be trusted to not violate food restrictions in a public school it's not that bad a restriction.... the overall idea isn't good though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 This just in: Man dead in 12 years, but other mammals have decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 "There will in no more snow by 2016" -Al Gore https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/05/09/over-inches-snow-just-plastered-duluth-minnesota-shattering-may-records/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6534302380d8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Every time I see this topic come back up in PPP I am just stunned that there is anyone with a brain still arguing to do nothing about global warming. Is there some doubt in the models and forecasts? Sure there is some doubt, but imo certainly not nearly enough to sit still. Ever been at a baseball game when a foul ball is hit hard and sent spinning into the crowd? About 500 people put their hands up to their face and they start to lean. Do you really think 499 of those people are stupid because it won't end up hitting them? Those 500 react like that for two reasons. First, a baseball could smash your face or even end your life. The consequences of misjudging it are very great. The second reason is that casually waiting until you are certain that it is going to hit you, may mean you waited too long and cannot now react in time to avert the tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Just now, Bob in Mich said: Every time I see this topic come back up in PPP I am just stunned that there is anyone with a brain still arguing to do nothing about global warming. Is there some doubt in the models and forecasts? Sure there is some doubt, but imo certainly not nearly enough to sit still. Ever been at a baseball game when a foul ball is hit hard and sent spinning into the crowd? About 500 people put their hands up to their face and they start to lean. Do you really think 499 of those people are stupid because it won't end up hitting them? Those 500 react like that for two reasons. First, a baseball could smash your face or even end your life. The consequences of misjudging it are very great. The second reason is that casually waiting until you are certain that it is going to hit you, may mean you waited too long and cannot now react in time to avert the tragedy. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/09/aliens-cause-global-warming-a-caltech-lecture-by-michael-crichton/ I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period. (snip) And shall we go on? The examples can be multiplied endlessly. Jenner and smallpox, Pasteur and germ theory. Saccharine, margarine, repressed memory, fiber and colon cancer, hormone replacement therapy. The list of consensus errors goes on and on. Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Every time I see this topic come back up in PPP I am just stunned that there is anyone with a brain still arguing to do nothing about global warming. Is there some doubt in the models and forecasts? Sure there is some doubt, but imo certainly not nearly enough to sit still. Ever been at a baseball game when a foul ball is hit hard and sent spinning into the crowd? About 500 people put their hands up to their face and they start to lean. Do you really think 499 of those people are stupid because it won't end up hitting them? Those 500 react like that for two reasons. First, a baseball could smash your face or even end your life. The consequences of misjudging it are very great. The second reason is that casually waiting until you are certain that it is going to hit you, may mean you waited too long and cannot now react in time to avert the tragedy. You make a great deal of sense. Obama had it right. Give the worst offenders (India and China) 20 or 30 years to voluntarily make changes, and punish US companies and consumers a few billion so thieves like Gore and the Clintons can get rich. This, as the world is cooling off. I am stunned that there is 1 person who doesn't parrot your sensible, patriotic position on this issue. Thanks for enlightening us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: You make a great deal of sense. Obama had it right. Give the worst offenders (India and China) 20 or 30 years to voluntarily make changes, and punish US companies and consumers a few billion so thieves like Gore and the Clintons can get rich. This, as the world is cooling off. I am stunned that there is 1 person who doesn't parrot your sensible, patriotic position on this issue. Thanks for enlightening us. Any time Bill Glad to help you out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Any time Bill Glad to help you out No prob. And thanks oh so much to the great state of Michigan for giving their electoral votes to President Donald J. Trump in 2016, despite the democrat votes of dead people, etc. Edited May 10, 2019 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 42 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Finally, I would remind you to notice where the claim of consensus is invoked. Consensus is invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough. Nobody says the consensus of scientists agrees that E=mc2. Nobody says the consensus is that the sun is 93 million miles away. It would never occur to anyone to speak that way. Not even true. Consensus isn't invoked in science, period. Consensus is a political principle. Not scientific. No one refers to a "consensus" about relativity, because relativity is constantly tested and validated. And it's constantly tested because it's constantly questioned. Not so global warming - exactly the opposite, in fact. Global warming acolytes use "consensus" as an argument to ensure it's not questioned, tested, or validated. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 they cannot predict the temperature accurately 5 days in advance, always having to recast it by the hour, thanks iPhone for showing me this.... and 95% of the time they have to revise DOWN the temperature.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: they cannot predict the temperature accurately 5 days in advance, always having to recast it by the hour, thanks iPhone for showing me this.... and 95% of the time they have to revise DOWN the temperature.... Weather is not climate. I saw this today: See anything wrong with that graph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Weather is not climate. I saw this today: See anything wrong with that graph? it's all guesswork, with very slim predictable usefullness and it's all politically based in addition we've been down this road 1,000 times though the top 3 weather watchers are off 3.5F on the average temperature in the US for January 2019, that builds confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: it's all guesswork, with very slim predictable usefullness Nope. What's wrong is: there's almost no variance between data sets. Less than 1%, between seven processed sets and the raw data. I can't think of a single scientific discipline where that wouldn't strongly suggest a methodological issue. And no, it's not "bias" or "faked," because they would have been smart enough to fake more variance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Nope. What's wrong is: there's almost no variance between data sets. Less than 1%, between seven processed sets and the raw data. I can't think of a single scientific discipline where that wouldn't strongly suggest a methodological issue. And no, it's not "bias" or "faked," because they would have been smart enough to fake more variance. Yeah it was interesting that the lines are all right on top of each other, but also it just shows temperature rising. How does that show greenhouse gasses are causing this (which is what he is implying)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Gary M said: "There will in no more snow by 2016" -Al Gore https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/05/09/over-inches-snow-just-plastered-duluth-minnesota-shattering-may-records/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6534302380d8 You're talking about weather, while Al Gore was talking about climate. 97% agree! CONSENSUS! YOU'RE A POOPY HEAD DENIER!!!!11111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 6 hours ago, DC Tom said: Nope. What's wrong is: there's almost no variance between data sets. Less than 1%, between seven processed sets and the raw data. I can't think of a single scientific discipline where that wouldn't strongly suggest a methodological issue. And no, it's not "bias" or "faked," because they would have been smart enough to fake more variance. To play devils advocate, wouldn't this be the expected behavior since they all strive to measure the same thing using the same temperature gauges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, GG said: To play devils advocate, wouldn't this be the expected behavior since they all strive to measure the same thing using the same temperature gauges? No, because they don't. That graph is deviation from an established norm (how the norm is established isn't pertinent to this particular discussion) of the temperature of the entire planet. There's no standard temperature "gauge" or "gauges" that measures that. There's a basic methodology of taking sample temperatures at different, set points across the globe, then applying some sort of processing to them to establish an integrated global temperature. But there's quite a few different ways to calculate that integrated temperature - most of them probably use some sort of a "mesh grid" model, fixed or variable size (NASA and UK Met both use variable mesh grids.) But for all of them to be that similar, and all that similar to the "raw data," they'd all have to be using the same algorithms, and the same methodologies, identical boundary conditions, identical polynomial coefficients...and even "the consensus" isn't that strong a consensus. There's not enough divergence in those different graphs to account for what they call the "structural uncertainty" of the different methodologies. Of course, when I point that out - that results that exact are almost always bad science - I get called a "denier." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 23 hours ago, DC Tom said: Weather is not climate. I saw this today: See anything wrong with that graph? it's actually the Dow 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 (edited) On 5/10/2019 at 12:52 PM, DC Tom said: Weather is not climate. I saw this today: See anything wrong with that graph? It looks like everyone is using the same source for their data. Edited May 13, 2019 by Azalin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Big U-turn: Key melting Greenland glacier is growing again. “A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a new NASA study finds. The Jakobshavn (YA-cob-shawv-en) glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles (3 kilometers) and thinning nearly 130 feet (almost 40 meters) annually. But it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years, according to a study in Monday’s Nature Geoscience . Study authors and outside scientists think this is temporary.” Temporary, eh? Well, so was the shrinkage before, as it turned out. The science is settled.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, B-Man said: Big U-turn: Key melting Greenland glacier is growing again. “A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a new NASA study finds. The Jakobshavn (YA-cob-shawv-en) glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles (3 kilometers) and thinning nearly 130 feet (almost 40 meters) annually. But it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years, according to a study in Monday’s Nature Geoscience . Study authors and outside scientists think this is temporary.” Temporary, eh? Well, so was the shrinkage before, as it turned out. The science is settled.................. This whole study is $#@!ed. I was always told it was Jakobshavn (JAY-keb-skæhv-ën) mit der umlaut. Trust no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Big U-turn: Key melting Greenland glacier is growing again. “A major Greenland glacier that was one of the fastest shrinking ice and snow masses on Earth is growing again, a new NASA study finds. The Jakobshavn (YA-cob-shawv-en) glacier around 2012 was retreating about 1.8 miles (3 kilometers) and thinning nearly 130 feet (almost 40 meters) annually. But it started growing again at about the same rate in the past two years, according to a study in Monday’s Nature Geoscience . Study authors and outside scientists think this is temporary.” Temporary, eh? Well, so was the shrinkage before, as it turned out. The science is settled.................. Not only is the growing temporary, but the increase in snow and ice mass is attributable to global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/15/2019 at 10:53 PM, DC Tom said: Not only is the growing temporary, but the increase in snow and ice mass is attributable to global warming. so you put a frozen Swanson TV dinner into the oven at 350 and it gets colder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/10/2019 at 1:52 PM, DC Tom said: Weather is not climate. I saw this today: See anything wrong with that graph? It starts in 1970, which is roughly the year it was predicted a new ice age was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 It assumes any increase or decrease in world temperatures is caused by greenhouse gases created by humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Bernie predicting catastrophe in 12 years. Maybe by then, we will have the tech from the 60s available again to fly to the moon or Mars or something. Oh crap, that's all fake as well. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/20/bernie-sanders-puts-climate-change-doomsday-clock-at-12-years-during-rally-in-alabama/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Dante said: Bernie predicting catastrophe in 12 years. Maybe by then, we will have the tech from the 60s available again to fly to the moon or Mars or something. Oh crap, that's all fake as well. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/20/bernie-sanders-puts-climate-change-doomsday-clock-at-12-years-during-rally-in-alabama/ Seems an odd place for Bernie to be pushing his agenda but it is sort of liberating. No sense arguing with Alabama's new abortion law. Have all the kids you want when you're not going to have to pay for their college. Twelve years, eh? Might as well take that college fund and spend it on hookers and blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Dante said: Bernie predicting catastrophe in 12 years. Maybe by then, we will have the tech from the 60s available again to fly to the moon or Mars or something. Oh crap, that's all fake as well. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/20/bernie-sanders-puts-climate-change-doomsday-clock-at-12-years-during-rally-in-alabama/ This is the third time in six months they've reset it to 12 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 3:40 PM, DC Tom said: This is the third time in six months they've reset it to 12 years. Maybe the message isn't sticking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 GLOBAL WARMING: IT CAN DO ANYTHING! FTA: It got wetter in the 1990s: climate change! Then it got drier roughly from 2000 to 2013: more climate change! Then it got wetter again starting in 2014, and it continues to be wet: still more climate change! The case for climate change is irresistible, but we always knew that. The Earth’s climate has been changing for millions of years, and it will continue changing until the Earth or its atmosphere disappears. Meanwhile, a theory that is consistent with everything, and therefore purportedly explains everything, in reality explains nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, B-Man said: GLOBAL WARMING: IT CAN DO ANYTHING! FTA: It got wetter in the 1990s: climate change! Then it got drier roughly from 2000 to 2013: more climate change! Then it got wetter again starting in 2014, and it continues to be wet: still more climate change! The case for climate change is irresistible, but we always knew that. The Earth’s climate has been changing for millions of years, and it will continue changing until the Earth or its atmosphere disappears. Meanwhile, a theory that is consistent with everything, and therefore purportedly explains everything, in reality explains nothing. and when someone asked for real evidence they scream and call you horrible names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Meanwhile, a theory that is consistent with everything, and therefore purportedly explains everything, in reality explains nothing. That's called "religion." 48 minutes ago, row_33 said: and when someone asked for real evidence they scream and call you horrible names That's called..."religion." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's called "religion." That's called..."religion." atheism and mother earth are religions religion isn't claiming hard science, neither should 95% of what poses as hard science today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Racial Resentment May Be Fueling Climate Denial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Racial Resentment May Be Fueling Climate Denial People who are either that ignorant or that manipulative should be outlawed from publishing written works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 THIS IS MY SHOCKED FACE. BEHOLD HOW SHOCKED IT IS: Scientists discover China has been secretly emitting banned ozone-depleting gas. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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