box0life Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Another failure by this front office. Can't lure free agents with no QB and no real plan. I'll give them credit for at least trying, but unless they over pay, I don't see them landing any significant free agents. Nix has been an absolute failure throughout his Bills tenure and it starts with the Gailey hire. We are a laughingstock again and it is getting very old. Add Regier as a total failure also. What has he done to improve this team.as we sit near the bottom of the standings with an owner that will freely spend for a winner. Why is Regier and Nix still employed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 An Achilles injury takes a year to heal. He tore his midway through the 2012 season. Moreover, few players return to their previous form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Another failure by this front office. Can't lure free agents with no QB and no real plan. I'll give them credit for at least trying, but unless they over pay, I don't see them landing any significant free agents. Nix has been an absolute failure throughout his Bills tenure and it starts with the Gailey hire. We are a laughingstock again and it is getting very old. Add Regier as a total failure also. What has he done to improve this team.as we sit near the bottom of the standings with an owner that will freely spend for a winner. Why is Regier and Nix still employed? So, the front office is a failure for not overpaying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000155236/article/fred-davis-signs-contract-with-washington-redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Another failure by this front office. Can't lure free agents with no QB and no real plan. I'll give them credit for at least trying, but unless they over pay, I don't see them landing any significant free agents. Nix has been an absolute failure throughout his Bills tenure and it starts with the Gailey hire. We are a laughingstock again and it is getting very old. Add Regier as a total failure also. What has he done to improve this team.as we sit near the bottom of the standings with an owner that will freely spend for a winner. Why is Regier and Nix still employed? Frankly, I'm not that concerned with this. Davis would have been a decent addition IF he was fully healed and IF his off-field antics didn't overtake his on field play. I expect that the Bills' offer took those things into account and must not have looked much better than the Redskins. I highly doubt if the Bills were offering him 2x what the 'skins are. If that were the case, Davis would be an unusual player and person to turn it down. I've turned down a job offer that was for more money to avoid having to move. If it were 2x what I was making, I would have jumped, but it was more like 30% more to move from Albany to DC, which wouldn't even cover living expenses down there. Whatever the Delta the Bills were offering might not have been enough to get him to uproot his existence. I view this as shrewd by the Bills, not a sign that DOOOOOOM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeisterHollow Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 As a GM Nix DID fail in hiring, and retaining, Gailey. However - Nix (and, presumably, any other GM candidate) - was in a tough spot from the beginning, as he came into a team that was a failure, backward, run poorly, and everyone in the NFL community regarded Buffalo as a joke BEFORE Nix came into his position. The whole - from Brandon, to Nix, to Whaley, to Marrone, have to put together a decent team WITH our limitations (FA's not wanting to come here) before we'll be able to lure anyone here WITHOUT overpaying. That's the challenge here - and I think Marrone is aware of that, and probably that is going to be a part of the draft philosophy (more pressure to draft excellently, as FA is not an easy answer for us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 yeah he wanted to resign since the beginning he made that pretty clear. he only went to visit other teams to put pressure on the skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Lee Smith is ready! Ground and pound baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) As a GM Nix DID fail in hiring, and retaining, Gailey. However - Nix (and, presumably, any other GM candidate) - was in a tough spot from the beginning, as he came into a team that was a failure, backward, run poorly, and everyone in the NFL community regarded Buffalo as a joke BEFORE Nix came into his position. The whole - from Brandon, to Nix, to Whaley, to Marrone, have to put together a decent team WITH our limitations (FA's not wanting to come here) before we'll be able to lure anyone here WITHOUT overpaying. That's the challenge here - and I think Marrone is aware of that, and probably that is going to be a part of the draft philosophy (more pressure to draft excellently, as FA is not an easy answer for us). Nix is a failure for one reason Fitzpatrick. We have not addressed QB. No one wants to !@#$ing play here with no QB. Even rookies know its a QB league and you MUST have a QB and we don't have one. Edited March 29, 2013 by Kellyto83TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 So, where do we go from here? Even if Chandler is healthy, we need a TE who can stretch the field. I don't see one available in FA so we're gonna have to draft one and because there are more pressing needs (QB, WR, 2 quality LBs, G?) we'll have to wait to draft one later--perhaps, in the 5th. Davis was a risk (not gonna debate that here, we did that at great length in another thread) but the upside was BIG and he settled on a one year deal so even if it didn't work out it was only a one and done. If Chandler isn't 100% we're REALLY weak at TE which means our weak WRs will be less effective and defenses can focus on neutralizing Spiller. Domino effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Nix is a failure for one reason Fitzpatrick. We have not addressed QB. No one wants to !@#$ing play here with no QB. Even rookies know its a QB league and you MUST have a QB and we don't have one. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 That poor schlub now has to continue to put up with the frustration that is RGIII and playing for a defending division champion. Haha...sucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 No sure we really wanted Fred Davis with his history of injuries and head case problems. I am overly concerned though with this teams'/Nix's failure to do really anything except make more holes on this team. This team is becoming more of a joke as is Buddy himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Well, let's look at what TEs are left in free agency (as of today). Dallas Clark Kevin Boss Kellen Winslow Todd Heap Jeremy Shockey Visanthe Shiancoe David Thomas Matthew Mulligan Randy McMichael Chris Cooley Dante Rosario Travis Beckum Edited March 29, 2013 by BillsGuyInBallstonSpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 That poor schlub now has to continue to put up with the frustration that is RGIII and playing for a defending division champion. Haha...sucker! I'd have done absolutely the same thing in Davis' position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Phew. Davis is a bad influence in the locker rOom. A rookie HC and SJ13 wouldn't be enough to control him imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Travis Kelce, 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Great news. For once another team saves the Bills from themselves. The dude aint gonna ever be the same. He's done and I don't know why anyone thinks he has value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 we never had a chance...... he wanted to stay with the redskins all along. he used the bills to set the market. in fact, he only signed a one year deal with Wash to help them with their salary cap issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Well, let's look at what TEs are left in free agency (as of today). Dallas Clark Kevin Boss Kellen Winslow Todd Heap Jeremy Shockey Visanthe Shiancoe David Thomas Matthew Mulligan Randy McMichael Chris Cooley Dante Rosario Travis Beckum A Who's Who of the TE position mid/late 2000's Wow! Edited March 29, 2013 by filthymcnasty08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Big deal. Player coming off an achilles injury with a shady past. Move along.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 we never had a chance...... he wanted to stay with the redskins all along. he used the bills to set the market. in fact, he only signed a one year deal with Wash to help them with their salary cap issue. Hopefully for the Skins they signed him to a half-year deal. Because that's the best they're going to get out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I'm not sure I'd call failing to sign a guy who is coming off a major injury a failure. Seriously, dude, stay away from sharp objects. Another failure by this front office. Can't lure free agents with no QB and no real plan. I'll give them credit for at least trying, but unless they over pay, I don't see them landing any significant free agents. Nix has been an absolute failure throughout his Bills tenure and it starts with the Gailey hire. We are a laughingstock again and it is getting very old. Add Regier as a total failure also. What has he done to improve this team.as we sit near the bottom of the standings with an owner that will freely spend for a winner. Why is Regier and Nix still employed? we never had a chance...... he wanted to stay with the redskins all along. he used the bills to set the market. in fact, he only signed a one year deal with Wash to help them with their salary cap issue. Actually, I bet we offered what he was worth and he didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Actually, I bet we offered what he was worth and he didn't like it. The Bills allegedly offered more money for more years ... Marrone has a lot of work cut out for him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Well, let's look at what TEs are left in free agency (as of today). Dallas Clark Kevin Boss Kellen Winslow Todd Heap Jeremy Shockey Visanthe Shiancoe David Thomas Matthew Mulligan Randy McMichael Chris Cooley Dante Rosario Travis Beckum Funny that with all these guys available, some experts want the bills to over pay a guy who is hurt with an injury that makes him a question mark next year anyway. And whats even a bigger laugh they will take shots at Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 A Who's Who of the TE position mid/late 2000's Wow! Getting old sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Actually I wonder if Davis preferred a one-year deal and that was the issue. This way he gets to prove he is healthy and he'll hit the market again in a year with a lot more leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Eh I would have liked to have gotten him, but I dont think its that big a loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 So you guys are saying that the one guy we went after sucked? So then the front office still sucks and can't evaluate talent. Again though I say no QB is what kills us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Well, let's look at what TEs are left in free agency (as of today). Dallas Clark Kevin Boss Kellen Winslow Todd Heap Jeremy Shockey Visanthe Shiancoe David Thomas Matthew Mulligan Randy McMichael Chris Cooley Dante Rosario Travis Beckum Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Actually I wonder if Davis preferred a one-year deal and that was the issue. This way he gets to prove he is healthy and he'll hit the market again in a year with a lot more leverage. Could be. I doubt the Bills were offering a lot more and it tied him down for another year at a cheaper price than he feels he's worth, since he's injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 I, for one, ain't happy about it. It was a risk worth taking. Granted, he did the right thing if all he wanted was the one year prove it deal. But we very likely could have had him with another million dollars or so total over two years. He wouldn't be getting any kind of serious bonus so it wouldnt really hurt us if he wasnt back. If he was, or if he was coming on strong, we have him relatively cheap for one year and then can franchise him if we can't sign him long term. He's going to be ready by training camp to play, and even at 80-90% he would have been a threat, and one we really need. Again, it was a risk worth taking, looking at our roster, the number of holes we need to fill, and the kind of offense we're going to run. Can't blame him for re-signing. But unquestionably he thinks he's going to be ready to play the whole year or he wouldn't have signed the one year prove it to me contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 So you guys are saying that the one guy we went after sucked? So then the front office still sucks and can't evaluate talent. Again though I say no QB is what kills us. They took that disgusting low life comment down huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Actually I wonder if Davis preferred a one-year deal and that was the issue. This way he gets to prove he is healthy and he'll hit the market again in a year with a lot more leverage. You nailed it. Davis is thinking that if he can show that he's healthy and close to what he was, he can cash in big time next year. Part of me wonders if OBD isnt making many signings because a lot of these guys currently on the market want only a 1 year deal to try and cash in again next year, whereas OBD wants them for multiple years to build a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Buffalo Bills = leverage There was a clear reason why Nix, Marrone went after the kid in free agency as he is a gamer. In 2011 he was suspended 4 games for failing a drug test and yet still managed to be the Skins offensive player of the year. He managed to get the franchise tag from the Skins last year (2012) as he was starting to become a top TE in the league. If you thought Marshawn Lynch had some bad baggage attached to him... well, Fred Davis is worse with an injury that will take a full year to heal, and one toke away from a year long suspension. Could he have helped the Bills fill a big need at TE, heck yes. Would he have come with some troubles like Shawn Merrimen, yes. Mike Shanahan probably phoned the kid and explained the difference between a team having a top QB and a team wanting one. P.S. besides if it takes him 1/2 this season to finally get healthy he has the option going to Buffalo next year after he watches what the team does this year. Smart move IMO Edited March 29, 2013 by FeartheLosing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Buffalo Bills = leverage There was a clear reason why Nix, Marrone went after the kid in free agency as he is a gamer. In 2011 he was suspended 4 games for failing a drug test and yet still managed to be the Skins offensive player of the year. He managed to get the franchise tag from the Skins last year (2012) as he was starting to become a top TE in the league. If you thought Marshawn Lynch had some bad baggage attached to him... well, Fred Davis is worse with an injury that will take a full year to heal, and one toke away from a year long suspension. Could he have helped the Bills fill a big need at TE, heck yes. Would he have come with some troubles like Shawn Merrimen, yes. Mike Shanahan probably phoned the kid and explained the difference between a team having a top QB and a team wanting one. Meh. They could and should've just upped their offer a bit. This is typical behavior. Fly the whole front office out to wine and dine him and then stick him with a lowball offer structured by Overdorf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Progressive. Attacking. It's On Like a Mofo!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Meh. They could and should've just upped their offer a bit. This is typical behavior. Fly the whole front office out to wine and dine him and then stick him with a lowball offer structured by Overdorf. Exactly. The reporter from Washington who was all over this said the Bills offer was slightly better but not enough to make it an easy decision to take. The Bills offered two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) Exactly. The reporter from Washington who was all over this said the Bills offer was slightly better but not enough to make it an easy decision to take. The Bills offered two years. Bottom line: Until this team gets a QB worth playing for, it will be next to impossible to lure FA's on the offensive side of the ball. Unless they massively overpay. Edited March 29, 2013 by Like A Mofo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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