Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So the posters who still insist that no charge means the victim is always a lying money grabber are simply nuts 

 

Oh sure I think anybody assuming anything about this case is nuts. It is a pure he said/she said from 4 years ago. But I am already seeing some takes online, including in this thread, about how Bills fans are hypocrites if we criticize Browns or Chiefs players, and I just want to be clear that every case should be looked at separately on its own merits.

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, boater said:

"That was fully investigated by the school...It was one of those where there was zero information saying that this actually happened."

 

I think that police departments do better investigations than schools. Do ya remember what happened at PennState? I for one would not take a school's word for any criminal investigation, but hey;.....that's just me.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

why wasn’t he charged? 

 

I asked a friend this question who is a Cop.  He said its because it's incredibly hard to charge someone of sexual assault when there isn't penetration or specific bodily fluids on the accuser.  Its word against word.  

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, The 9 Isles said:

Anyone bringing forward a case like this and loses should have to pay the exact same amount they were asking for to the person they accused. 

 

This presupposes that if an accuser loses their case, that definitively means they lied. That isn't true at all. Sometimes the best thing the courts can decide is that they don't know what happened which means no one is held liable and everybody has to just move on. I think the reason that these discussions get so polarizing is because most people are unable to accept such an unsatisfactory conclusion and want somebody in the story to be the bad guy. The world of course doesn't work that way.

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

You are compelled by the sheer number of cases with Watson (me too)….yet still no charges.  This reinforces the difficulty of bringing such such cases to charge.  Despite copious similar accusations of exactly the same MO, DA never charged.  
 

So the posters who still insist that no charge means the victim is always a lying money grabber are simply nuts 

I mean if she waited four years until he signed his rookie contract to file the civil suit that's quite the commitment and patience.  

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

Sexual assault isn't comparable? Ok

 

You know there are levels right?  

 

Mike Tyson sexually assaulted a woman.  So what Mike Tyson did and what allegedly Hairston is accused of doing....they're the same right?

 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Isn’t there something where they can’t be charged for something they did before being in NFL?

 

@Doc Brown , are you not aware of Rule 17.5.b-33?:

 

"If thy team were the Patriots circa 1999 - 2016, or the Chiefs circa 2017 - Present, thou mayest draft players with pasts more sordid than the foulest excrement of The Dark Lord, Himself, and mayest thou do so with impunity, as the blood of the NFL shield hath washed away your sins.

 

However, if thou art from Upstate New York, or art a good human, or art honest and of an unbesmirched nature, thou shalt NOT draft a player with any shred of iniquity--present, past, or future--or thou shalt be violently and permanently castrated by mercenaries in zebra costumes, be made the laughing stock of the league, and be cast out into the night where there shall be much weeping and gnashing of teeth! 

 

Thus sayeth The Goddell, in mine mercy!"

[ProcessTruster]

once he signed his contract, all the lawsuits start... 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Actually nope.  I have loved what they have done on offense over the last 3 offseasons and am one of the few fans here who is not obsessed over wide receivers and understands the importance of the o line personnel and running game as a whole.

 

go search my posts, I have loved all the offensive signings and draft picks. 
 

I feel the total opposite on the defense this offseason.  Don’t say I said things I have never said.  Simply search old posts, you will see I have been consistent in my opinions and thoughts on the roster construction here.

  

 

I guess opinions just vary - I think this is the best offseason they've had in terms of improving the D.  I loved the draft picks and the FA acquisitions.

 

We'll have to see how it plays out, but I think we could have a top 3-5 defense this season.

 

[Dafan]

4 hours ago, muppy said:

The timing is very suspicious. This case begs a trial of some sort. Noone can fully know what happened between them besides  those 2 people

 

it just stinks. Unneeded baloney. I hope it is settled quickly

 

LHM

I disagree.  This case does not need a trial.  It was from 4 years ago.  The police, school and NFL teams all looked into it.  

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, boater said:

"He's an impeccable kid," Beane said. "We did a lot of research. I think all teams were aware of the Title IX thing. That was fully investigated by the school...It was one of those where there was zero information saying that this actually happened."

 

I will trust Beane's research over the word of someone out to make money.

Bean, the DA, and the school cleared him.  

[TheBrownBear]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

All civil lawsuits are by definition money grabs. She filed a police report back when the incident allegedly happened and has posted about it on social media over the years. She is now trying to pursue her final chance at some kind of recourse.

 

My speculative take is that the girl genuinely feels like she was wronged, but that doesn't mean she actually was in a legal sense. There is in fact a middle ground on this issue between "Hairston is a rapist" and "the girl is a lying money grabber." But it's a very messy middle ground with no clear answers.

This is where I stand. It makes no sense to file a civil suit against him as a student when he has zero resources to lose.  She attempted to get some type of justice through the criminal system, which failed at the time and this is her last chance.

 

Also, she did report the encounter as a sexual assault hours after it occurred.  It's not as if she's making it up now out of thin air. 

 

The truth is that the only people who know for certain what occurred are the young woman and Hairston, and even then, two people can have very different perspectives on the reality of a given event.

[DrDawkinstein]

27 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Bean, the DA, and the school cleared him.  

 

3 parties with incentives to not prosecute even if he is guilty.

[Mike in Horseheads]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

3 parties with incentives to not prosecute even if he is guilty.

What is the DA's incentive not to prosecute if he his guilty?

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

What is the DA's incentive not to prosecute if he his guilty?

 

Most DAs only prosecute slam-dunk wins. Cases that are pretty much already solved and guaranteed. They dont want to hurt their win/loss record or be seen as "wasting the taxpayer money", or even worse in small college towns, hurting the beloved football team.

 

Rapes/SAs of this nature, which are basically only "he said, she said" almost never go since the DA cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt what happened. It isnt worth going to trial with such little evidence.

 

Unfortunately.

 

Again, I'm not making any judgements on this situation either way. Just pointing out that we dont (and never will) have enough information to make a true call.

 

Just because no charges were pressed does not mean he is completely innocent and she is a gold digger. Just like I'm not calling for Hairston to be cut from the team or sent to jail.

 

We dont know. We wont know. So we're all better off saving the conclusions on either side.

[Kmart128]

Police investigated this and nothing. The Bills did their own investigation before the draft and deemed he is still draftable. I'll believe the people that investigated this over some random money grabbing lawsuit.

 

If this lady truly wanted justice she wouldnt have waited until they sign an NFL contract to have a civil case.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I mean if she waited four years until he signed his rookie contract to file the civil suit that's quite the commitment and patience.  

 

 

Why would she sue a college freshman? 

 

It would be far more suspicious if she never reported it to the school or cops at the time.  But she did

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Most DAs only prosecute slam-dunk wins. Cases that are pretty much already solved and guaranteed. They dont want to hurt their win/loss record or be seen as "wasting the taxpayer money", or even worse in small college towns, hurting the beloved football team.

 

Rapes/SAs of this nature, which are basically only "he said, she said" almost never go since the DA cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt what happened. It isnt worth going to trial with such little evidence.

 

Unfortunately.

 

Again, I'm not making any judgements on this situation either way. Just pointing out that we dont (and never will) have enough information to make a true call.

 

Just because no charges were pressed does not mean he is completely innocent and she is a gold digger. Just like I'm not calling for Hairston to be cut from the team or sent to jail.

 

We dont know. We wont know. So we're all better off saving the conclusions on either side.

Well rapes usually leave physical evidence... That's why rape kits are used 

 

Woman fight back they scratch and claw.. there's usually tearing... Physical evidence.. most fight back from assaults even if a losing battle

 

Not to mention UKentucky has filed S.A and rape charges on campus even against athletes 

 

I'm sure their is a lot we will never know but S.A and rape is not something people take lightly as they shouldn't 

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

What is the DA's incentive not to prosecute if he his guilty?

If the DA doesn't believe the evidence is strong enough or the lady in question is credible enough to get a conviction.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well rapes usually leave physical evidence... That's why rape kits are used 

 

Woman fight back they scratch and claw.. there's usually tearing... Physical evidence.. most fight back from assaults even if a losing battle

 

Not to mention UKentucky has filed S.A and rape charges on campus even against athletes 

 

I'm sure their is a lot we will never know but S.A and rape is not something people take lightly as they shouldn't 

 

In some cases, yes. In others, where the lady isnt able to fight back as much, no. Or some victims are afraid to fight back so they dont end up beaten or killed. There's no way to draw conclusions just from how much they fought back.

 

 

Edited July 2 by DrDawkinstein