eball Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 48 minutes ago, Herc11 said: Regardless how much it's attempted. It's a cool element to the game for coaches to have in their tool box. A 45% success rate is pretty good. Doesn’t move the needle for me, but to each his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I am reviewing the new rule now to understand how it works.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Look for injuries galore with this new rule. It makes you wonder the mentality of a kick returner in this new iteration of the NFL. No more fair catches, the old onside kick rules. Safety has been put on the back burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Fantastic. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Maybe I’m boring here but I wish the kickoff just got left alone. I don’t want it out of the game. I wish they’d go back to what it was even. If the alternative is no kick at all then fine..this will have to do. But I still want to see kick off returns starting a game. That’s football to me. Even if it’s a touchback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 48 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Look for injuries galore with this new rule. It makes you wonder the mentality of a kick returner in this new iteration of the NFL. No more fair catches, the old onside kick rules. Safety has been put on the back burner. Can you imagine being the kicker, the last line of defense, attempting a tackle on a returner that is now coming down the field full speed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, Herc11 said: Can you imagine being the kicker, the last line of defense, attempting a tackle on a returner that is now coming down the field full speed? Just kick it out of the end zone and forget about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, Herc11 said: Can you imagine being the kicker, the last line of defense, attempting a tackle on a returner that is now coming down the field full speed? He probably just falls down rather than be posterized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 29 minutes ago, vincec said: Just kick it out of the end zone and forget about it. YES!!! Most exciting play in football. /sarcasm off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 You could argue the bills cut bait a little too early? did they look ahead and consider? March 5 wasn’t long ago!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_miwpIxjb3g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, vincec said: Just kick it out of the end zone and forget about it. If you want to lose your job... You think special teams coaches will be asking you to concede the 30 yard line every kickoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, MJS said: If you want to lose your job... You think special teams coaches will be asking you to concede the 30 yard line every kickoff? The percentage of points scored at a drive start at the 30 compared to the 20 is literally like 10% or more.. Throughout the course of a season that's a big swing I certainly know why the bills like to put it high and try to pin them inside the 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Not a fan of the touchback coming out to the 30 as I wasn't a fan when they moved it to the 25. Not sure about the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Since1981 said: You could argue the bills cut bait a little too early? did they look ahead and consider? March 5 wasn’t long ago!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_miwpIxjb3g According to many, the new return setup supports a RB returner much more than an explosive WR who’s used to operating in space. It’s more of a stretch run play where they have to read and choose the correct hole than make a guy miss. A fully healthy Hines would flourish with something like that, but he probably has one more season before he’s all the way back. 4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Maybe I’m boring here but I wish the kickoff just got left alone. I don’t want it out of the game. I wish they’d go back to what it was even. If the alternative is no kick at all then fine..this will have to do. But I still want to see kick off returns starting a game. That’s football to me. Even if it’s a touchback The 76% touchback percentage or whatever it was had to go. It was essentially a dead play, not exciting at all. Moving the ball back to the 30 and returning the ball with 5 man blocking wedges was never coming back, so I’m happy they found some other way to keep it in the game. We’ll see at the end of the season if it’s a relevant play and has any bearings on the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 13 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: How would an onside kick attempt work? Easy. The kicker has practically no competition and can recover almost every time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 So WRT the 13 second KC kickoff return, will squib kicks no longer be attempted since the ball first must touch the ground in the "landing zone" Also a good chance may kick the ball into one of the teams own players who'd have their back to the kicker?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: So WRT the 13 second KC kickoff return, will squib kicks no longer be attempted since the ball first must touch the ground in the "landing zone" Also a good chance may kick the ball into one of the teams own players who'd have their back to the kicker?? Squib as we know it is dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Probably mentioned already by others, but finding a reliable/good KR is a decent need. This could easily be a draft pick, but sure the team will be looking over available returners after draft. Not a fan of Shakir or Johnson being deep on KR or PR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 12 hours ago, Brand J said: According to many, the new return setup supports a RB returner much more than an explosive WR who’s used to operating in space. It’s more of a stretch run play where they have to read and choose the correct hole than make a guy miss. A fully healthy Hines would flourish with something like that, but he probably has one more season before he’s all the way back. Seems like Samuel would be a good candiate with both RB and WR experience 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Not sure if anyone's pasted this link yet (paywalled, but, you know ...) https://theathletic.com/5366260/2024/03/26/nfl-hybrid-kickoff-rules/?campaign=5888993&source=dailyemail&userId=12924261 Best explanation I've seen. But I still don't have it down. 6 minutes ago, stevewin said: Seems like Samuel would be a good candiate with both RB and WR experience Agreed. The standard kick returner - pure speed guy - won't be the best fit under the new rule. As the article notes, field vision, quickness, improvisation will be key. And as for kickers: the classic "big leg" guy who gets the highest touchback percentage will lose some value, although long field goals are still important. Some team will find a soccer player, Aussie rules football guy, someone else to be the "kickoff specialist" (maybe the kickoff/punter dual role will come back) who is adept at placing the ball in the optimal spot. I'm all for making the game more interesting. Goodbye to the post-TD bathroom/fridge run ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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