DanInUticaTampa Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 55 minutes ago, SCBills said: Safety at 28 and I will smash my tv. Amen to this. No way I would be happy with a safety at 28. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxPower Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 When this leads to Chop Robinson rd1 this place is going nuclear... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: He also costs half as much. So? And he makes 8 times what Shakir does and Shakir is already a better player. The development of Shakir and Kincaid proved to me that we no longer needed to waste FA on WRs from other organizations. Instead we need to draft our own cost controlled talent. I know people here love the shinny new toy. However at best Samuel is our 4th best receiving option (and maybe 5th behind Cook). When the early draft pick outplays him and Samuel becomes our 6th or 7th best option, how will y’all feel about his $8 mill price tag when he’s seeing 3 balls a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Think about it this way. Last season the Bills offense was actually relatively easy to defend from a schematic POV, because you only had to defend 30 yards of dirt at most regardless of down and distance. Without even an average deep threat else where, Gabe Davis struggled bigtime as the sole threat downfield, and defenses didn't really adjust a thing. They set either 2 or 1 safety 20 yards down field, one of them went deep, and everyone else sank down. Diggs wasn't that effective of a deep threat, and defenses felt they could run with him past 10-15 yards. With the addition of Samuel, you inject pure speed with addition of being a real football player. It doesn't matter where he lines up, you can attack those safeties from inside or outside. But Samuel will only be PART of that solve. The other part? Someone like Ladd McConkey who's the other deep threat. It allows for versatility. If you're on 1st and 10 or 2nd and medium, you have different packages that can make use of 1 or both deep guys, and you can use that short to intermediate offense that Allen proved he can run this past season. Defenses starting to squat? Well put in both speed guys, add in Diggs and Kincaid to the underneath, and you're either creating deeper mismatches, or forcing zones and YAC openings in the middle and short. This is all about deployment of weapons. Bills can attack any down and distance and create matchups they like Edited March 15 by appoo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, DrMaxPower said: When this leads to Chop Robinson rd1 this place is going nuclear... I’ll be screaming from the top of my roof to fire McDermott lol Beane why!!! You should’ve sent him on an all expenses paid cruise during the draft you moron lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 14 minutes ago, appoo said: Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. Ah, yes, good old Gabe "rolls-his-ankles-more-than-an-8th-grade-basketball-player" Davis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, boyst said: Nah. Dude isn't a down field threat. Pretty much the same size as Diggs, and runs a 4.39. But he isn't a downfield threat? Edited March 15 by SoonerBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: I'm a bit nervous that they will think this is well enough. Plan for the future and get that WR in the first. My real worry is that they view this as making WR optional in RD1. I could 100% see them going DL at 28 and then potentially trading up in RD2. I will be jaw dropped to the floor if they dont go WR in the first 2 rounds. Edited March 15 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 17 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Three if you consider that he is now a Bill. I shall call him William Curtis Samuel. It sounds fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 26 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: I was really happy with how this offseason was going, but these two terrible WR signings make me really wonder what Beane is doing for the offense. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, MPL said: Ah, yes, good old Gabe "rolls-his-ankles-more-than-an-8th-grade-basketball-player" Davis I didn't say that? How did you quote me on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 minutes ago, ngbills said: Samuel - never wore a bills uniform = Will be an upgrade. that is always the mindset on this board. I think he will be solid. But I also thought crowder and sanders would. We will see but anyone outside of these walls sees Davis as the better player. Davis could never get on the same page as Allen, and it led to key drops and turnovers. We want guys who can catch the ball, and we signed two of them. One a huge target, and the other is very good when he gets the ball in his hands. People complain no matter what. Allen needs help, but you get some and it's just more bitching and moaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 By the way, Samuel spent 75% of his time the last two years in the slot. Last I looked that was where Shakir excels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: He had a lot of nagging injuries last year but played through them and still caught 17 more balls than Gabe. I take it you don't like the signing? I’m fine with it but wouldn’t be shocked it it turns out to be Crowder part two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said: When this leads to Chop Robinson rd1 this place is going nuclear... His @$$ better be a 12 sack per season guy if we are giving up a WR @ #28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said: When this leads to Chop Robinson rd1 this place is going nuclear... Chop is gonna be an elite Pass Rush specialist in this league not long after the draft, and in fact profiles somewhat as Von. There's more than enough speed in this draft to get one in Rd1 or RD2. But if there's a next level talent like Chop available at 29 they take him no questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, appoo said: 2 minutes ago, MPL said: Ah, yes, good old Gabe "rolls-his-ankles-more-than-an-8th-grade-basketball-player" Davis I didn't say that? How did you quote me on that? No, no, no. I wasn't quoting you. Nicknames are placed inside of parenthesis. Example: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, 4merper4mer said: I’m fine with it but wouldn’t be shocked it it turns out to be Crowder part two. I think you won't be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Still got the 4th and 5th. They would have just given us a 7th rounder anyways just to screw us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: So? And he makes 8 times what Shakir does and Shakir is already a better player. The development of Shakir and Kincaid proved to me that we no longer needed to waste FA on WRs from other organizations. Instead we need to draft our own cost controlled talent. I know people here love the shinny new toy. However at best Samuel is our 4th best receiving option (and maybe 5th behind Cook). When the early draft pick outplays him and Samuel becomes our 6th or 7th best option, how will y’all feel about his $8 mill price tag when he’s seeing 3 balls a game? This is just ridiculous. This guy is his last 3 healthy seasons puts up about 70 catches a season with Washington’s and Carolina’s QB’s….but he will drop off of a table when he gets Allen at QB? Allen is going to make him worse? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: By the way, Samuel spent 75% of his time the last two years in the slot. Last I looked that was where Shakir excels. My guess.. Buffalo finally remembers that they should get 4 legit WR’s for Josh Allen. Diggs (outside) RD1/RD2 pick (outside) Samuel (slot) Shakir (WR4 inside/outside) Think back to how they used Diggs, Gabe, Beasley and Sanders. Edited March 15 by SCBills 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Bills shopping in the bargain bin and paying department store prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: His @$$ better be a 12 sack per season guy if we are giving up a WR @ #28. More about pressure rate and forcing offenses to scheme around him, and opening things up for the rest of the DL Edited March 15 by appoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: I didn’t want any WR FAs. The stats show that they usually underperform their contracts and we already have Kincaid, Diggs and Shakir. We have the underneath stuff covered. Samuel is a 650 yards receiver who doesn’t win catch battles. A Rookie receiver drafted 20-40 over the last 5 years has averaged about 700 yards as a rookie. We need someone who can stretch the field, not another mediocre underneath presence. Now play this out. What will the people on this board say if we draft someone like Mitchell or Worthy at 28 and they drive Samuel to the bench? What will they say when Samuel drops some key 3rd down catches, which he does with regularity? They’ll say why did Beane waste money of this guy. I was really happy with how this offseason was going, but these two terrible WR signings make me really wonder what Beane is doing for the offense. I remember who you are now. Your the guy on the game day first half threads that always claims the games over after the Bills have to punt in the 1st quarter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, appoo said: More about pressure rate and forcing offenses to scheme around him, and opening things up for the rest of the DL We’re doing this. I’d be shocked if we don’t now. Chop at 28 and then a trade up in RD2 for Coleman or Legette. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: By the way, Samuel spent 75% of his time the last two years in the slot. Last I looked that was where Shakir excels. Did the Pats struggle to make it work with both Amendola and Edelman who both played slot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: My guess.. Buffalo finally remembers that they should get 4 legit WR’s for Josh Allen. Diggs (outside) RD1/RD2 pick (outside) Samuel (slot) Shakir (WR4 inside/outside) Think back to how they used Diggs, Gabe, Beasley and Sanders. Still hoping we draft a couple WRs in this draft not just one. It’s where the most value is by far. Neve seen a WR class this good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Excellent signing. Good RAC guy. Good hands as well. Upgraded. I am excited about his nearly 70% catch rate. Now go out and draft Brian Thomas. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: My guess.. Buffalo finally remembers that they should get 4 legit WR’s for Josh Allen. Diggs (outside) RD1/RD2 pick (outside) Samuel (slot) Shakir (WR4 inside/outside) Think back to how they used Diggs, Gabe, Beasley and Sanders. Samuel is an outside threat. Why is this so damn hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: My real worry is that they view this as making WR optional in RD1. I could 100% see them going DL at 28 and then potentially trading up in RD2. I will be jaw dropped to the floor if they dont go WR in the first 2 rounds. Of they trade up in the second. Like way up. The problem is you just never know. All these dude that are projected high can get outplayed by a 5 rounder. Strange things sometimes the way that goes but I just don't want to leave WR up to chance. If any of that made sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Draft player comp was Percy Harvin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, appoo said: More about pressure rate and forcing offenses to scheme around him, and opening things up for the rest of the DL I want sacks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 20 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: I’d love to be wrong, but I doubt I will be. Go compare Samuel’s stats to Shakir’s. Shakir is taller, has similar speed and is significantly more clutch. Shakir averages 50% more yards per catch than Samuel. What does Samuel being that we don’t already have? Nothing. I love Shakir and think he potentially could be a#2 at some point. You are picking only the data you want. How about the post having Samuel at 3rd in the NFL on separation? Don’t like that ? It doesn’t support your arguments. You are providing only what you want to see.. and zero possibility of upside given Allen, the Bills OL, Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Samuel is an outside threat. Why is this so damn hard to understand? It’s not. He’s a 50/50 inside/outside guy. Diggs, Samuel and Shakir can all move around, but if we draft a WR in the first 40 picks or so… Shakir, imo, becomes a heavy use WR4 in a four man rotation. Edited March 15 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 31 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Davis - Yards/Reception for his career 16.7. Yards/game 42.7. Success % 51.5 Samuel - Yards/reception for his career 10.7. Yards/game 37.2. Success % 48 Not sure how he is an upgrade on anything. He doesn’t stretch the field as well as Davis, he does gain more yards despite more catches, and he doesn’t help 1st downs at a greater rate than Davis. Do you know the other thing he doesn’t do as well as Davis? He doesn’t stay as healthy. You must have missed the 4 or 5 posts that listed the QBs he played with... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, SCBills said: It’s not. He’s a 50/50 inside/outside guy. Diggs, Samuel and Shakir can all move around. And that is damn hard to cover 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, DrMaxPower said: When this leads to Chop Robinson rd1 this place is going nuclear... Not saying I still don’t want a wr at 28 but Chop is really freaking good so Id be shocked if he’s there at 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did the Pats struggle to make it work with both Amendola and Edelman who both played slot? The last year they played together Edelman had 1100 yards and Amendola 240. The best year they had together was Edelman 1050 yards to Amendola 650, but they had no decent boundary receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 23 minutes ago, ngbills said: Samuel - never wore a bills uniform = Will be an upgrade. that is always the mindset on this board. I think he will be solid. But I also thought crowder and sanders would. We will see but anyone outside of these walls sees Davis as the better player. Love Gabe Davis. Not at $ 13M so the Bills get Samuel and resign other players. Crowder got injured and Sanders was ok. Outside these walls a lot of people are thinking the Jags overpaid. Not that they have ever done that repeatedly with WRs 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: He’s a 50/50 inside/outside guy. He’s not even that. He is a 75% slot guy who plays outside some, but more often in the backfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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