SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: Our cap is ok given the moves we’ve now made. Beane’s drafting in recent years will help lessen the blow. Now he just needs to nail this upcoming one. The Diggs, Von & Tre contracts are tough.. because all of them have big cap hits and none of them played as we expected them to last year: Diggs as an elite WR1, Von as an elite pass rusher and Tre as a lockdown corner. Then you add in all the money & picks constantly spent on DL and a guy like Knox, who is just a weird situation now given the Kincaid pick.. and that’s how we got here. Again, not in a bad position, but a slightly uncomfortable one with a day like Wednesday & another, likely, non-splashy FA period being necessary. How is Diggs elite? He is a low end #1 at this point and every game against KC he disappeared. That is not Elite by any measure. We need to not touch his contract at all and if he can't step up this next year ( presuming we use the draft to improve the WR corp,Corp, he needs to be traded this next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Something else I noticed, Beane is signing players the team and coaches know to guarantee money that averages out to less than vet minimum per year: Edwards, Rapp, and Trubisky. Not a huge savings but shows a change in philosophy and that right now every penny counts. Think Beane is doing this so he can make a couple of quality signings in FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: How is Diggs elite? He is a low end #1 at this point and every game against KC he disappeared. That is not Elite by any measure. We need to not touch his contract at all and if he can't step up this next year ( presuming we use the draft to improve the WR corp,Corp, he needs to be traded this next offseason. I said he’s part of the problem. Those three big contracts.. none of them being what we paid them to be, which is elite at their position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bills4life> Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 42 minutes ago, SCBills said: I said he’s part of the problem. Those three big contracts.. none of them being what we paid them to be, which is elite at their position. That’s why I think the bills should pull a gb and draft 2 wr in the first 3 rounds if they are there, and move on from diggs next season if they r quality players. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 51 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: How is Diggs elite? He is a low end #1 at this point and every game against KC he disappeared. That is not Elite by any measure. We need to not touch his contract at all and if he can't step up this next year ( presuming we use the draft to improve the WR corp,Corp, he needs to be traded this next offseason. Top 10 in receptions in the NFL the last 4 years running and on the top of that list twice. Low end number one. Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 6 minutes ago, <bills4life> said: That’s why I think the bills should pull a gb and draft 2 wr in the first 3 rounds if they are there, and move on from diggs next season if they r quality players. Agree, especially in a draft as loaded as this one at the position. Assuming the extend Dawkins & Brown, the Offense is set for the short & long term. Adding two quality rookie WR’s to go with Kincaid in his second year could lock in this Offense around Josh Allen for a long time. People can worry about the Defense if we double dip at WR, but the Safety and DT FA market could not be set up any better for what we need this off-season. EDGE is a worry, but it’s not like anyone ever gets pressure during the Playoffs anyway. Just get some big bodies to push the pocket back and let what might be a Top 2 LB tandem in the NFL get to work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bills4life> Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Agree, especially in a draft as loaded as this one at the position. Assuming the extend Dawkins & Brown, the Offense is set for the short & long term. Adding two quality rookie WR’s to go with Kincaid in his second year could lock in this Offense around Josh Allen for a long time. People can worry about the Defense if we double dip at WR, but the Safety and DT FA market could not be set up any better for what we need this off-season. EDGE is a worry, but it’s not like anyone ever gets pressure during the Playoffs anyway. Just get some big bodies to push the pocket back and let what might be a Top 2 LB tandem in the NFL get to work. My thoughts exactly on all counts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: How is Diggs elite? He is a low end #1 at this point and every game against KC he disappeared. That is not Elite by any measure. We need to not touch his contract at all and if he can't step up this next year ( presuming we use the draft to improve the WR corp,Corp, he needs to be traded this next offseason. I wouldn't be too sure about that. The Athletic had a writeup about how the Bills were stymied without a deep threat, which allowed defenses to roll up on Shakir, Diggs, and Kincaid. The only thing they could do is bid their time and look for one or two deep shots per game. You remember how that went: Allen overthrew Diggs in two games when he got open, and Diggs dropped the perfect ball in the playoffs. In short, not a sustainable offense. With a true deep threat keeping the safeties honest, Diggs could revive his superstar ways. According to the article, he was still displaying elite speed and moves. I'm working VERY hard to refrain from taking a shot at Gabe Davis. Must...concentrate... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: We are going in the wrong direction lol. We went from 12 to 14 million overnight. Beane should be making some moves today. Not sure what's taking him so long with an Allen restructure. He seems to want to find other ways of making it happen without doing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Not sure what's taking him so long with an Allen restructure. He seems to want to find other ways of making it happen without doing that Allen is in Paris. He would have to be present to sign an extension. Odd timing on Allen’s part and I hope it’s not a sign of trouble ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said: Allen is in Paris. He would have to be present to sign an extension. Odd timing on Allen’s part and I hope it’s not a sign of trouble ahead. Not an extension. A restructure. The team doesn't need Allen's permission to do that. They can just simply convert his money to a signing bonus. He doesn't have to agree to it. That's why it's strange to me this hasn't been done yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said: Allen is in Paris. He would have to be present to sign an extension. Odd timing on Allen’s part and I hope it’s not a sign of trouble ahead. He doesn’t have to be present to sign lol. Ever hear of fax machines ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 7 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said: Allen is in Paris. He would have to be present to sign an extension. Odd timing on Allen’s part and I hope it’s not a sign of trouble ahead. To play devils advocate, would you agree to a modification to your contract again without assurances the team is going to give you better weapons? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: To play devils advocate, would you agree to a modification to your contract again without assurances the team is going to give you better weapons? He would get the money more upfront. And it would save us cap space. Why would he care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Agree, especially in a draft as loaded as this one at the position. Assuming the extend Dawkins & Brown, the Offense is set for the short & long term. Adding two quality rookie WR’s to go with Kincaid in his second year could lock in this Offense around Josh Allen for a long time. People can worry about the Defense if we double dip at WR, but the Safety and DT FA market could not be set up any better for what we need this off-season. EDGE is a worry, but it’s not like anyone ever gets pressure during the Playoffs anyway. Just get some big bodies to push the pocket back and let what might be a Top 2 LB tandem in the NFL get to work. I think you look to FA for defense. Young guys on the come up. Any 30 plus vet I would bring back our own for that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Wouldn’t a Josh Allen restructure put them close to 50 mill under the cap? If so, they can bring in a big fish or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: He would get the money more upfront. And it would save us cap space. Why would he care? I’d advise people to find the Joe Marino episode about this where he says these big contracts have restructuring options built into it where the team cause restructure it at any time. A lot of people think a restructure is a new contract when it’s not. 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Wouldn’t a Josh Allen restructure put them close to 50 mill under the cap? If so, they can bring in a big fish or two. No it will save 23 million this year so they’d only be about 8ish under Edited March 9 by CaptnCoke11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I’d advise people to find the Joe Marino episode about this where he says these big contracts have restructuring options built into it where the team cause restructure it at any time. A lot of people think a restructure is a new contract when it’s not. No it will save 23 million this year so they’d only be about 8ish under I never said a restructure is a new contract. I know it's not a new contract. They would just be converting his base salary into bonuses or incentives to make more cap space. But if they make it a signing bonus, he gets the money upfront and the team doesn't need his permission to do that. So, the fact that this hasn't been done yet is weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, <bills4life> said: That’s why I think the bills should pull a gb and draft 2 wr in the first 3 rounds if they are there, and move on from diggs next season if they r quality players. It will have to be 1st round and 4th round. We don't have a 3rd thanks to this secret convoluted formula. And unfortunately Thomas & Mitchell may both be gone by 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I never said a restructure is a new contract. I know it's not a new contract. They would just be converting his base salary into bonuses or incentives to make more cap space. But if they make it a signing bonus, he gets the money upfront and the team doesn't need his permission to do that. So, the fact that this hasn't been done yet is weird I didn’t mean you just a lot of people in general sorry for the confusion. You’d think it would have to be done right? There’s some other ways to open up money but doing his is 23 million ! Edited March 9 by CaptnCoke11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 26 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Not an extension. A restructure. The team doesn't need Allen's permission to do that. They can just simply convert his money to a signing bonus. He doesn't have to agree to it. That's why it's strange to me this hasn't been done yet Thank you for the clarification. I was not aware of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 At this point, to field a competitive team, the Bills will need to restructure Allen and probably others. It is weird that the Allen restructure has not happened yet. Is it possible that they are working on an extension of his current contract? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Anyone remember last year when we were “right up against it” and kept signing players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: He would get the money more upfront. And it would save us cap space. Why would he care? He wants to win. He has money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: He wants to win. He has money. Correct. But his restructure would open up more space to possibly make all that happen. And because he has money, he would decline millions more upfront while opening up more cap space so the team can do what it can to give him the team he wants? Edited March 9 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Correct. But his restructure would open up more space to possibly make all that happen. And because he has money, he would decline millions more upfront while opening up more cap space so the team can do what it can to give him the team he wants? As I said,if I'm him the only way I do it is if we come to agreements, like #28 is a WR no matter what and we sign somone at WR worth a damn in FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: As I said,if I'm him the only way I do it is if we come to agreements, like #28 is a WR no matter what and we sign somone at WR worth a damn in FA. Ok but again, he would be leaving his team cash strapped and prolonging getting his money until later. It makes no sense. Restructuring Allen doesn't hurt him whatsoever, it helps him and the team right now. So him playing hardball over it would literally make no sense and they don't need his permission to do it Edited March 9 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falgobofu Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 A question I always wondered, if they get restructured do they lose more to taxes because of a lump sum? Then I could see a reluctance to get a restructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, jahnyc said: At this point, to field a competitive team, the Bills will need to restructure Allen and probably others. It is weird that the Allen restructure has not happened yet. Is it possible that they are working on an extension of his current contract? He’s signed through 28 which would make him 32 at the end of the current deal so adding a few more years till he’s 35 isn’t the worst idea. One other thing since he signed his last deal he has become one of the faces of the nfl and his current girlfriend is one of the biggest young actresses in Hollywood so maybe he pulls a Brady and gives us a hometown discount. Edited March 9 by 78thealltimegreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 17 hours ago, Tuco said: Are you talking about the $1,293,000 figures that are listed each year from 2023-2026? The ones that say "restructure" above them? That's what it is. It was salary that was turned into bonus in 2023 and spread out over the years until 2026. Yes it was supposed to be dead cap, but that was only if the contract voided and accelerated all that cap to 2024. And yes the new cap kept the contract from voiding so those figures never became actual dead cap. But they're still real figures. Instead of becoming dead cap after the contract would void, the contract years became real years and the prorated restructure charges just stayed where they were - $1,293,000 each year through 2026. They're not phantom numbers. It's a real charge to the cap. But it never became actual "dead cap" because dead cap is a cap charge for a player who's no longer under contract. Since he's still under contract those figures just stayed where they always were - prorated cap charge for the 2023 restructure. When we see a dead cap charge on Spotrac for a player who's actually still under contract, that isn't really a dead cap figure yet. It's just Spotrac listing the figure as dead cap because that's what's expected to happen when a contract with void years actually voids. If a new contract is reached and the void years don't void, the dead cap charge doesn't disappear in real life because it was never there as dead cap in real life. It just disappears off Spotrac because they were listing it as dead cap even though it technically wasn't yet. Thanks a lot, but I don't think we understood each other. I knew everything what you wrote (at least I think so haha), but my question was slightly different. Pls look at Sportrac again, there are two "Matt Milanos" out there in both 2025 and 2026. In 2025, he has "regular" cap hit of $16,122,000 and dead cap of $2,586,000 in orange. And what I say is that I think that orange line with dead cap shouldn't be there, since it is already included in his actual cap hit of $16M (or to be exact, $1,293,000 is included in cap hit in 2025 and other $1,293,000 in 2026). My question is if this is right, i.e. if Sportrac really has it wrong and the other Milano line shouldn't be there (making our 2025 cap situation better than it shows). My understanding is that you actually implicitly confirmed it above, but want to make sure. Edited March 9 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: Thanks a lot, but I don't think we understood each other. I knew everything what you wrote (at least I think so haha), but my question was slightly different. Pls look at Sportrac again, there are two "Matt Milanos" out there in both 2025 and 2026. In 2025, he has "regular" cap hit of $16,122,000 and dead cap of $2,586,000 in orange. And what I say is that I think that orange line with dead cap shouldn't be there, since it is already included in his actual cap hit of $16M (or to be exact, $1,293,000 is included in cap hit in 2025 and other $1,293,000 in 2026). My question is if this is right, i.e. if Sportrac really has it wrong and the other Milano line shouldn't be there (making our 2025 cap situation better than it shows). My understanding is that you actually implicitly confirmed it above, but want to make sure. Yes, you are right. So right in fact I believe somebody from Spotrac must have seen your post and fixed it because none of those numbers are even there anymore. Good job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, falgobofu said: A question I always wondered, if they get restructured do they lose more to taxes because of a lump sum? Then I could see a reluctance to get a restructure. Depends on the structure. Plus at his tax bracket it may not matter. As a commission based sales guy, I am aware commission is taxed higher. For example, if you are paid commission bi weekly and you have a good week and get a 10k check, they tax it as if every check is 10k. So you take a bigger hit the weeks you do really well. It evens out on your return though The more I think about it, I'm sure Josh has a premium accountant that makes sure the money flows right. At his numbers it's a must. The more I think about it, I'm gonna lean toward it doesn't make a difference at his numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 36 minutes ago, Tuco said: Yes, you are right. So right in fact I believe somebody from Spotrac must have seen your post and fixed it because none of those numbers are even there anymore. Good job. Now you got me confused It's still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 10 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: We are going in the wrong direction lol. We went from 12 to 14 million overnight. Beane should be making some moves today. Nothing so far…and tomorrow is Sunday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Nothing so far…and tomorrow is Sunday And tomorrow is the 1st day of legal tampering. Maybe Dions tweet has something to it. If his agent wants top 5 LT money I can see Beane trading him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 52 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: And tomorrow is the 1st day of legal tampering. Maybe Dions tweet has something to it. If his agent wants top 5 LT money I can see Beane trading him Monday at noon is the first day. They will restructure Josh and it seems as though Dion is probably getting something as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) Any chance we don’t restructure Allen and take our medicine this year? I heard either this year or next year we will have to go without restructuring and it’s our choice. Edited March 10 by akcash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, akcash said: Any chance we don’t restructure Allen and take our medicine this year? I heard either this year or next year we will have to go without restructuring and it’s our choice. I believe we may look to extend him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Nothing so far…and tomorrow is Sunday When are teams required to be at or under the cap? Is it tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: When are teams required to be at or under the cap? Is it tomorrow? No - Wednesday 4 pm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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