TBBills Fan Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Beane was on "moving the chains" on SXM. Didn't say anything new except that his intention it to have us under the cap by next week. Then it's looking at what they have, figuring out who they can bring back then looking at what's left over that can be used on free agents outside the org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 19 hours ago, BBFL said: Pairing all that in, maybe a trade up is inevitable? There is a lot of great talent in this draft @ WR. Though only a handful of guys who are seen as legitimate #1 dominant guys. I'd prefer not to trade up. Really hate seeing a rd 3-5 pick used for a trade-up when there is never really a "sure thing". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Dude had to skip the Senior Bowl weigh in to make sure he could get down to 366 lol. I fear for his health. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 9 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Dude had to skip the Senior Bowl weigh in to make sure he could get down to 366 lol. I fear for his health. Big ol boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, Prospector said: Big ol boy I don't understand why weighing in at 366 is good news for Sweat. It's a lot like the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: I don't understand why weighing in at 366 is good news for Sweat. It's a lot like the opposite. I think as evidenced by the fact that he skipped the previous weigh in, there was fear he was going to weigh in significantly heavier than this lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: I think as evidenced by the fact that he skipped the previous weigh in, there was fear he was going to weigh in significantly heavier than this lol Teams/analysts were looking for him to get down below 350. At this weight his testing results will probably be adversely affected. Players do all sorts of things to manage their combine weight - Maybin, Bryce Young- the fact that he's done nothing to get it down is a very bad look. He could drop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 12 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Teams/analysts were looking for him to get down below 350. At this weight his testing results will probably be adversely affected. Players do all sorts of things to manage their combine weight - Maybin, Bryce Young- the fact that he's done nothing to get it down is a very bad look. He could drop. good. Maybe he’ll reach pick 60 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 29 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: I don't understand why weighing in at 366 is good news for Sweat. It's a lot like the opposite. Maybe they were afraid he was gonna come in at like 400 pounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 49 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: I don't understand why weighing in at 366 is good news for Sweat. It's a lot like the opposite. If it's his playing weight, which he played at a very high level, I see it as a plus. At least he didn't put on the Dawkins 40 during the offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 19 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: good. Maybe he’ll reach pick 60 He's in the (top of the )second tier of DTs. I'm thinking he could easily fall into the third round. 1 minute ago, Prospector said: If it's his playing weight, which he played at a very high level, I see it as a plus. At least he didn't put on the Dawkins 40 during the offseason He played at that weight in college. Plus at 366 how many game reps do you think you could expect from him? Maybe less of an issue for a team that relies heavily on a rotation but most teams would be looking for more from a highly drafted DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Prospector said: If it's his playing weight, which he played at a very high level, I see it as a plus. At least he didn't put on the Dawkins 40 during the offseason Lmao the Dawkins bashing is Soo stupid and old He's literally playing the toughest line position in the NFL and he's our most consistent lineman... Consistently left one-on-one There's not a lineman alive who doesn't carry 20 30+ extra pounds in the off season... That's why you have OTAs and minicamp and training camp... Multiple sessions to get into shape the correct way No lineman walk around their playing weight in the offseason because you are losing weight throughout TC and the season... That's a fact If you come into training camp 325 lb as a lineman... You're going to be leaving at 310 lb... Some lineman lose 30+ pounds Dawkins plays at around 320... And clearly carried a lot of water weight... I don't care if he's 355 lb in February He certainly wasn't 355 in August Just look at the way he moves on a football field... He's a freak athlete for a guy his size... As long as you can keep your athleticism having more mass will never hurt you especially on the line If he was moving in quicksand it could be a problem but Dion is a freak athlete.. I'd be more worried about his age than how he trains Edited February 29 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Dude had to skip the Senior Bowl weigh in to make sure he could get down to 366 lol. I fear for his health. Hard pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: Dude had to skip the Senior Bowl weigh in to make sure he could get down to 366 lol. I fear for his health. That is a lot of brisket, red beans and rice and cornbread...just for fun, I went and calculated his maintenance calories for him to maintain that weight and he needs to consume 5500 calories a day. That's craziness. Now I see why those NFL lineman lose so much weight when they retire...literally all you have to do is eat like a normal person and you can lose 60 lbs like nothing. Edited February 29 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 2/27/2024 at 7:01 PM, TBBills Fan said: Beane was on "moving the chains" on SXM. Didn't say anything new except that his intention it to have us under the cap by next week. Then it's looking at what they have, figuring out who they can bring back then looking at what's left over that can be used on free agents outside the org Next week... that's a lot of moves and deals quickly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Lmao the Dawkins bashing is Soo stupid and old He's literally playing the toughest line position in the NFL and he's our most consistent lineman There's not a lineman alive who doesn't carry 20 30 40 extra pounds in the off season... That's why you have OTAs and minicamp and training camp... Multiple sessions to get into shape the correct way No lineman walk around they're playing weight in the offseason because you are losing weight throughout the season and TC... That's a fact If you come into training camp 325 lb as a lineman... You're going to be leaving at 310 lb... Some lineman lose 30+ pounds Dawkins plays at around 320... And clearly carried a lot of water weight... I don't care if he's 355 lb in February He certainly wasn't 355 in August Just look at the way he moves on a football field... He's a freak athlete for a guy his size... As long as you can keep your athleticism having more mass will never hurt you anymore well especially on the line If he was moving in quicksand it could be a problem but Dion is a freak athlete Don't think all of this fact or accurate... but good job coming to the rescue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Prospector said: Don't think all of this fact or accurate... but good job coming to the rescue I know that lineman definitely lose 20-30 lb at training camp All the time And if your a lineman if you can gain more mass while keeping the same speed and athleticism that's also never a bad thing Dion being a road grader at 330.. is way more imposing than being 310 I've also had his back here for years and said the same thing last year when everybody was bashing him and I said it's not a problem he's our best lineman Thanks for playing https://www.nfl.com/news/uncrustables-weigh-ins-and-h2o-how-nfl-s-offensive-defensive-linemen-manage-thei Wilkin says he loses 10 lb a practice Now you replenish so you don't become malnourished... But it's very easy to lose 20-30 lb in a training camp as a big guy You obviously don't want a wide receiver coming in 30 lb heavy.. it's not the end of the world for a lineman who is a veteran and knows what he needs to do Edited February 29 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 If we are going the DT route in like round 2 give me Kris Jenkins from Michigan and I’m calling it a day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If we are going the DT route in like round 2 give me Kris Jenkins from Michigan and I’m calling it a day I think there will be more quality DT options at 60 than WR imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: If we are going the DT route in like round 2 give me Kris Jenkins from Michigan and I’m calling it a day Love Jenkins at 60. I hope we go WR, DT, DE, S in the first 4 rounds provided we keep all those picks. I’d be ok with moving that order around depending on how the draft falls but, ideally, I’d love to see something like this (pre-combine, pre FA): rd 1: WR Franklin rd 2: DT Jenkins rd 3: BPA for DE (Dorlus/Elliss), S (Bishop/Hicks), or WR (Wilson/Thrash) rd 4: BPA same as above, preferably for a position not drafted yet unless someone really falls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 DTs taking the field now. Will post relevant updates to main post as time permits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Don’t care if this guy proves to be the greatest CB prospect in history, Beane should stay as far away as possible. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 (edited) Early results: Fiske is a freak. Currently leads for vertical jump, broad jump, and ran 4.78 40-yard time Maason smith came in a touch over 5s, looked comfortable post-injury (knee). Mekhi Wingo was at 4.87 2nd runs about to start DeWayne Carter keeps jumping a touch too early Edited February 29 by KingBoots8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 30 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: Love Jenkins at 60. I hope we go WR, DT, DE, S in the first 4 rounds provided we keep all those picks. I’d be ok with moving that order around depending on how the draft falls but, ideally, I’d love to see something like this (pre-combine, pre FA): rd 1: WR Franklin rd 2: DT Jenkins rd 3: BPA for DE (Dorlus/Elliss), S (Bishop/Hicks), or WR (Wilson/Thrash) rd 4: BPA same as above, preferably for a position not drafted yet unless someone really falls Is that Kris Jenkins son? Sign me up, dude was a monster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Is that Kris Jenkins son? Sign me up, dude was a monster. Yes it is. His son isn't the behemoth the Carolina DT was, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 “Mr. Fix-It” is a great nickname 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 55 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I know that lineman definitely lose 20-30 lb at training camp All the time And if your a lineman if you can gain more mass while keeping the same speed and athleticism that's also never a bad thing Dion being a road grader at 330.. is way more imposing than being 310 I've also had his back here for years and said the same thing last year when everybody was bashing him and I said it's not a problem he's our best lineman Thanks for playing https://www.nfl.com/news/uncrustables-weigh-ins-and-h2o-how-nfl-s-offensive-defensive-linemen-manage-thei Wilkin says he loses 10 lb a practice Now you replenish so you don't become malnourished... But it's very easy to lose 20-30 lb in a training camp as a big guy You obviously don't want a wide receiver coming in 30 lb heavy.. it's not the end of the world for a lineman who is a veteran and knows what he needs to do Training Camp and preseason isn't meant to get a player into shape. They should already have their conditioning pretty well maintained, and camp helps fine tune the conditioning to game condition. It is not designed to undo an entire offseason of being an out of shape slug. Dion has started multiple REGULAR seasons out of shape and looking sluggish and slow. As the seasons progressed he slowly got better and better as he was getting into better shape. There are ways to keep weight up during the season, just as there are ways to not show up completely out of shape when camp starts... (FYI, this has nothing to do with his athletic freakishness) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 30 minutes ago, K-9 said: Don’t care if this guy proves to be the greatest CB prospect in history, Beane should stay as far away as possible. Free Country let him believe whatever he wants. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 30 minutes ago, K-9 said: Don’t care if this guy proves to be the greatest CB prospect in history, Beane should stay as far away as possible. This is both hilarious and sad. It's like a young adult saying, "I don't believe in gravity." Also an indictment of the athlete-scholarship system where total idiots not only get into a school but often emerge with a university degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) Fiske is an absolute stud. He’s 100% a 3 tech but as an FSU guy he is my favorite prospect by far from FSU. Great player, supposedly a great guy and is a monster interior player despite being 292. He’s going to go in round 2. if he was 315 he’d be going top 15 Edited February 29 by gonzo1105 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, Roundybout said: “Mr. Fix-It” is a great nickname This dudes game fits what McD wants. I can see him being a target 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted February 29 Author Share Posted February 29 (edited) Dorlus ran 4.85 and 4.91, great series for him Eboigbe was something like 5.18 and 5.21 Fiske at 4.78 and 4.81 - the fastest so far today and leading in all the jump metrics as well Gabe Hall in at 5.06 and 5.04 Marcus Harris 5.08 and 5.07 Mckinnley Jackson 5.27 and 5.26 Kris Jenkins 5.02 and 4.91 - nice second run! Logan Lee: 5.05 and 5.06 Zion Logue: 5.14 and 5.22 - bad start Byron Murphy Ii: 4.88 and 4.9 - Myles Murphy: 5.21 and 5.25 Edited February 29 by KingBoots8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Prospector said: Training Camp and preseason isn't meant to get a player into shape. They should already have their conditioning pretty well maintained, and camp helps fine tune the conditioning to game condition. It is not designed to undo an entire offseason of being an out of shape slug. Dion has started multiple REGULAR seasons out of shape and looking sluggish and slow. As the seasons progressed he slowly got better and better as he was getting into better shape. There are ways to keep weight up during the season, just as there are ways to not show up completely out of shape when camp starts... (FYI, this has nothing to do with his athletic freakishness) Even when he starts slow he's not a bad football player and it's not because of his weight If he was 410 lb it would be concerning He has never been a liability on the field and he's always been ready to play He is not a finesse tackle he is a road grader... He uses mass to lean on people... To be physically imposing he needs to be as big as possible while maintaining his athleticism It's not a problem if he's 30 lb overweight... In February He certainly is not 30 lb overweight in September Being a professional football player is like being a professional boxer.. you can't stay in peak boxing condition 52 weeks straight That's why they go to a training camp for a fight and physically get into the best boxing shape.. you cannot maintain that peak form for 52 weeks Football players also cannot maintain that for 52 weeks and you have to find a balance... You definitely don't want to peek in September Dion Dawkins is a naturally huge man and if his balance.. is gaining 30 lb in the off-season As a 6'5 man who could carry alot of weight that is not the worst thing .. especially for a position that they call the big uglies... They're called that for a reason they are big boys Until he shows he can't move it's not a problem Edited February 29 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 5 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Fiske is an absolute stud. He’s 100% a 3 tech but as an FSU guy he is my favorite prospect by far from FSU. Great player, supposedly a great guy and is a monster interior player despite being 292. He’s going to go in round 2. if he was 315 he’d be going top 15 With what he is doing today and what he did at Senior Bowl he may go in 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yes it is. His son isn't the behemoth the Carolina DT was, though. Even still, he had major athletism for a guy his size, his son should inherit that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Even when he starts slow he's not a bad football player and it's not because of his weight If he was 410 lb it would be concerning He has never been a liability on the field and he's always been ready to play He is not a finesse tackle he is a road grader... He uses mass to lean on people... To be physically imposing he needs to be as big as possible while maintaining his athleticism It's not a problem if he's 30 lb overweight... In February He certainly is not 30 lb overweight in September Being a professional football player is like being a professional boxer.. you can't stay in peak boxing condition 52 weeks straight That's why they go to a training camp for a fight and physically get into the best boxing shape.. you cannot maintain that peak form for 52 weeks Football players also cannot maintain that for 52 weeks and you have to find a balance... You definitely don't want to peek in September Dion Dawkins is a naturally huge man and if his balance.. is gaining 30 lb in the off-season As a 6'5 man who could carry alot of weight that is not the worst thing .. especially for a position that they call the big uglies... They're called that for a reason they are big boys Until he shows he can't move it's not a problem ok... I will stop here. This isn't a thread for this convo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 We need to come out of this draft with a starting WR, possibly a starting Safety, a damn good DE who csn develop into a 10+ sack guy and a stud 1 tech DT. I don't Care where we draft, the players are there we just have to pick right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, noacls said: With what he is doing today and what he did at Senior Bowl he may go in 1st He’s too undersized and only has one year of major production in power 5. Love the player. I could see a 3-4 team drafting him higher based on body type but that would be a waste to put him in a 3-4. He deserves to go round 1 but I just can’t see it happening unless it’s like the last 3 picks but he’s done a great job going from a round 3 guy to a high to mid 2nd rounder imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 19 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: This is both hilarious and sad. It's like a young adult saying, "I don't believe in gravity." Also an indictment of the athlete-scholarship system where total idiots not only get into a school but often emerge with a university degree. My sister used to teach in a prison outside of Boston. She was teaching “kids” with high school diplomas how to write their name. She had to change jobs when her “graduates” started coming up to her on the city streets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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