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i really loved diggs here, and feel he was a massive help in the development of this team.  the relationship ran its course, (like many do) and now it's over.  concerning being portrayed unfairly by the media...eh.  digg's actions are football news, so of course you're going to hear about it in the media.  guess what?  if diggs didn't give them any drama to work with, there would be no reporting.  to think this is just the media conjuring this up is a bit naive.  he's an incredible wr that's on his 3rd team, of which the last two ended on bad terms.  it's a red flag.

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42 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Just more of the same from you.  Holier than thou.  More insults.  More lame attempts at trying to look "smart" and "clever".   And a few of your statements aren't even accurate as to whats been posted in this thread.  Talk about putting words in mouths.  

 

Before you argue, at least pick a side.  Don't waiver back and forth ..  back and forth.  I get it, "winning" (which is clearly on your ego driven agenda) is easier if you are wishy washy.  

 

And before you say, "where was i wishy washy", it's because you're attacking me for not buying into the media hype surrounding Diggs.... but then in the same breath go an about how you don't think hes a diva, etc.   So which is it?   And if it is indeed that later, why are you arguing with me?   That's right.  You just like to argue to hear yourself.

I challenge you to go back and reread your posts.  Then you want to cry foul. Please.

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21 minutes ago, <bills4life> said:

I challenge you to go back and reread your posts.  Then you want to cry foul. Please.

Beck has shouted out WAY more insults and condescending tone than the sum of all the other posters in this thread.  

 

I challenge you to reread.

 

Regardless, i still believe the media is more than 95% of Diggs' issues.    And a LOT of fans are buying that.  aka drinking the kool aid 

(note: the term "drinking the kool aid" is not an insult.  Its an observation as to whether one believes another is being manipulated or persuaded.)

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Beck has shouted out WAY more insults and condescending tone than the sum of all the other posters in this thread.  

 

I challenge you to reread.

 

Regardless, i still believe the media is more than 95% of Diggs' issues.    And a LOT of fans are buying that.  aka drinking the kool aid 

(note: the term "drinking the kool aid" is not an insult.  Its an observation as to whether one believes another is being manipulated or persuaded.)

 

 

Yeah I know what kool aid means.  Thanks for the metaphorical clarification. I wouldn’t want to take that as a condescending tone as you alluded too.

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

I keep typing things out in this thread and then erasing them. I guess I'm just an Internet wuss.

No it’s a sign of high intelligence 😂 

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30 minutes ago, &lt;bills4life&gt; said:

Yeah I know what kool aid means.  Thanks for the metaphorical clarification. I wouldn’t want to take that as a condescending tone as you alluded too.

It was directed at Beck, not you.

 

Listen, enough snarkiness.  Me included. 

 

 We're all upset we lost Diggs, some more than others.  I do feel a bit bad about the way the fans are casting him in such a negative light.. which i believe is brought on by the media unfairly.  That is the crux of my beef here.  

 

Its just way more upsetting to see the way Allen, who has been nothing but a peach, be trashed by NFL fans, albeit mainly as jealousy that he's not theirs.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Process said:

Diggs is a diva and a clown but Bills fans can also be insufferable at times. Both can be true. 

 

One thing that is definitely true is that, in general, Bills fans refuse to criticize Allen for anything, and are quick to blame everyone else. It's pretty obvious the WRs don't appreciate that. 

I can only speak for myself, as a Bills' fan, when I say "I totally disagree with you on that one.".  I am the proud owner of a 6' cutout of Josh Allen that would get set up on gameday.  After the Jets loss in week 1 last season, I was so pissed at Josh's performance, that I hid the cutout in the garage until after we beat KC in week 14.  I also put it away rather angrily after the Cincy playoff loss.  My point is that I hold Josh to the highest standard of any player on our team because he plays the most important position.  

As far as Diggs behavior... he is who he is: an experienced, emotional WR who will make spectacular catches that will be prone to selfishness, critical drops, and petulant outbursts.  There's a reason this former 5th round pick is on his third team and Josh is still on his first.

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1 hour ago, Peace Frog said:

I can only speak for myself, as a Bills' fan, when I say "I totally disagree with you on that one.".  I am the proud owner of a 6' cutout of Josh Allen that would get set up on gameday.  After the Jets loss in week 1 last season, I was so pissed at Josh's performance, that I hid the cutout in the garage until after we beat KC in week 14.  I also put it away rather angrily after the Cincy playoff loss.  My point is that I hold Josh to the highest standard of any player on our team because he plays the most important position.  

As far as Diggs behavior... he is who he is: an experienced, emotional WR who will make spectacular catches that will be prone to selfishness, critical drops, and petulant outbursts.  There's a reason this former 5th round pick is on his third team and Josh is still on his first.

 

I agree with you that Josh Allen gets a lot of criticism from fans.

 

One need only look across this very board at the thread "Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?" and its OP post "I know this is kind of a negative Josh post." (yep, plenty of negativity on Josh in that thread as well as misquotes and many many assumptions, like "if we don't see it on social media, it didn't happen")

 

Then you find posts like this, for example, stating that he's "kind of bad at pre snap reads and really bad at post snap reads"  (just choosing an example, not to single anyone out - plenty more of that around)

 

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I keep typing things out in this thread and then erasing them. I guess I'm just an Internet wuss.

 

More probably you're a Wise Man and a Leader of Men :worthy:

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4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think Bills fans are just extra on social media, both good and bad.
 

The sad truth is our sports teams are the major topic 24/7 in Buffalo. We can suffocate pro athletes. 

Our porn stars, too.  Don't forget them.

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15 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Poor guy was just an innocent bystander. 😢

 

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Why don’t you show all the times Josh missed him? Line in London? Like in Miami? Twice!

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18 hours ago, Process said:

Diggs is a diva and a clown but Bills fans can also be insufferable at times. Both can be true. 

 

One thing that is definitely true is that, in general, Bills fans refuse to criticize Allen for anything, and are quick to blame everyone else. It's pretty obvious the WRs don't appreciate that. 

 

Bills fans refuse to criticise Allen for anything? Are you serious? His facial expressions are studied to the nth degree and ripped to shreds, let alone anything else.

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Diggs wanted out. He did the same stuff here as he did in Minnesota to get himself traded. All the cryptic social media stuff, the bailing out of locker rooms without speaking to the media after losses and a litany of emotional outbursts were just him trying to get what he wanted. 

 

Diggs’ opinion was that it was other people’s fault that we haven’t won a championship and that we weren’t going to do so in the near future. He blamed McDermott, Allen and (I’d guess) others. Any defense of him is often taken as support for his rationale. Likewise Bills fans often rip him because they’re fighting that line of thought as well as because he forced his way out of Buffalo. 

 

I will stress that - right or wrong - Diggs is entitled to make his own judgements and form his own opinions. If someone thinks he was correct in his assessment, then they probably think he was smart to get out when he did. If someone thinks he was wrong, then they probably think his faulty judgement led to a mistake. Either way this is where we are now and it’s time for people to move on. 

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On 4/11/2024 at 4:12 AM, plenzmd1 said:

Why don’t you show all the times Josh missed him? Line in London? Like in Miami? Twice!

Were those games playoff games with the game on the line to the eventual Super Bowl champs? Did Josh text about Diggs afterwards? That is where Diggs lost me. Dropping the pass and fumbling earlier in the game were one thing. Tweeting about Josh after that? He wanted out obviously and the bills clearly wanted to move on!

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6 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Diggs wanted out. He did the same stuff here as he did in Minnesota to get himself traded. All the cryptic social media stuff, the bailing out of locker rooms without speaking to the media after losses and a litany of emotional outbursts were just him trying to get what he wanted. 

 

Diggs’ opinion was that it was other people’s fault that we haven’t won a championship and that we weren’t going to do so in the near future. He blamed McDermott, Allen and (I’d guess) others. Any defense of him if often taken as support for his rationale. Likewise Bills fans often rip him because they’re fighting that line of thought as well as because he forced his way out of Buffalo. 

 

I will stress that - right or wrong - Diggs is entitled to make his own judgements and form his own opinions. If someone thinks he was correct in his assessment, then they probably think he was smart to get out when he did. If someone thinks he was wrong, then they probably think his faulty judgement led to a mistake. Either way this is where we are now and it’s time for people to move on. 


This is way too rationale and even keeled. Can you try again a little more unhinged? 

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On 2/8/2024 at 6:14 PM, TwistofFate said:

X is the number 1 downloaded app in the world. 

 

It's gained 14% increase in users in the last 3 months. 

 

It's the ultimate beacon of unfiltered uncensored material in the world. 

 

I love it.  I never used Twitter, I now use X and I pay the subscription for it. 

Why a sane person willingly would spend time on a platform like Twitter or X is beyond me. Talk about about wasting your life. 

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29 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

That ceiling... is this a house in Lancaster?

Gotta be Pickerington, OH. As a native Ohioan I can tell you that’s a common ceiling pattern for a drywall ceiling. It’s called stippling and is done with a small mop while a final coat of joint compound is still wet. 

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1 hour ago, LVGrown said:

The guy on the left really wanted Minkah Fitzpatrick and the others, Josh Rosen. Exactly why I cringe with secondhand embarassment at the way most of you guys have reacted the last couple days. 

Yup.

 

Listen, we all get our pre-draft crushes and interests…but if the 2018 draft showed us anything, it’s that when the pick is made: that’s our guy and whatever was said about them or previously projected is rendered meaningless. 
 

Instead of choosing to bash the picks because random talking heads think it’s an overvalue or a miss is simply a waste of breath. Some players are deemed future HOFers without taking a snap while others are already in the dog house. 
 

Let’s let these guys get to Buffalo and show what they’ve got before we claim victory or defeat. Enjoy it! Watch the highlight video and get hyped. Trust in Beane. Go Bills! 

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On 2/8/2024 at 10:26 AM, Logic said:


I don't particularly want to get into a back-and-forth about Elon Musk here and derail this thread (though we can discuss it in DMs if you want), so I'll just say:

I couldn't disagree more with...pretty much everything you just said. Not a Musk fan. To each their own.

Musk fans don't want to admit he's just another Edison/Jobs. He merely pushed an idea in stuff he has a little knowledge in and takes all the credit. He took daddy's money, bought into PayPal, hostile takeover and some sabotage later he sells and pockets money. He's a snake and people think he's a genius because he paid people to figure out how to land a rocket and put cameras on a car. His fans think he reinvented the wheel when really he just kind of directed a team to add cool features to existing tech; and his products are Trump Steak level good. Ford and Toyota are going to bury Tesla within 10 years and turn it into a niche vehicle. 

 

That said, my personal comp for Coleman is Pukka Nacua and if Franklin is just misunderstood then we should try to get him. Gabe was drafted late and blossomed into a decent pass catcher...when he actually catches the ball...and Franklin is at least better than Gabe out of the gate.

 

Go Bills!

21 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

 

I swear the pause between Josh and Allen was an eternity that night. Nope, we all just collectively slowed down time lol

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On 4/10/2024 at 2:31 AM, MrEpsYtown said:


I tend to agree. But it’s like a “damned if you do and damned if you don’t.” People are killing Brian Thomas for being quiet and laid back and maybe not really an alpha. The flip side is Diggs who is emotional and a diva. I prefer Thomas’ attitude, but there seems to be pretty conflicting opinions on this. 

Diggs is the classic definition of passive aggressive. 

On 4/26/2024 at 12:52 PM, TwistofFate said:

 

Shows how much the fans actually know about scouting talent. 

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On 2/8/2024 at 8:10 PM, Mr. WEO said:


Bezos started selling books online and  since has changed the way commerce works worldwide.  His company is part of regular life for pretty much every consumer. 
 

Musk makes cars that Americans don’t want to buy and if it went out of business tomorrow , consumers wouldn’t care.  Speaking of that, Tesla lost $95 billion value in 2 weeks.  He turned Twitter into a money loser, busy running it into the ground.


it’s what’s happens when you turn down that corrupt govt money. They take it personally. 

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On 4/26/2024 at 2:52 PM, TwistofFate said:

 

That is EXACTLY how I responded and I'll never regret it.


At THAT TIME, Josh was a wild one in a million project type guy and I definitely did NOT want him....or Lamar Jackson, out of ALL the big name QB draftees that year! 

 

We hit on a lottery ticket with Josh so all is well that ends well.  Doesn't make the pick better AT THE TIME however.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Freak-O said:

Why a sane person willingly would spend time on a platform like Twitter or X is beyond me. Talk about about wasting your life. 

And yet ….you are here😜

29 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

That is EXACTLY how I responded and I'll never regret it.


At THAT TIME, Josh was a wild one in a million project type guy and I definitely did NOT want him....or Lamar Jackson, out of ALL the big name QB draftees that year! 

 

We hit on a lottery ticket with Josh so all is well that ends well.  Doesn't make the pick better AT THE TIME however.

 

 

Wut?

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3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

That is EXACTLY how I responded and I'll never regret it.


At THAT TIME, Josh was a wild one in a million project type guy and I definitely did NOT want him....or Lamar Jackson, out of ALL the big name QB draftees that year! 

 

We hit on a lottery ticket with Josh so all is well that ends well.  Doesn't make the pick better AT THE TIME however.

 

 

Yeah, but by that logic you'll always take the safe bet, a path that ultimately leads to mediocrity. In other words, sometimes it IS the right move to take what appears to be a gamble at the time, as the Allen pick shows. That pick WAS the right move at the time. 

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