The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Rising from the dead is overrated. Takes more to get off the couch. I'm not gonna knock the pick. He came back and played well, damar did come back but didn't do much. I get the sentimental value of it but flacco did come back and contributed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 19 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: I mean he did let's be honest. I'm just saying, when it comes to stupid awards, they can't pick.him with all those INTS. It is what it is. Josh is my.guy. Most talent in the league. But this is based on stats and clips. He had to many with INTs this year Kurt Warner led the league in turnovers the year he won MVP. Besides, shouldn't turnovers-to-touchdowns ratio matter? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Brand J said: Guess I’ll be one of the few who strongly disagrees with this take. The Ravens were the model of consistency all year, they bludgeoned other top teams in the league. Lamar played phenomenal at times, he was captain of “the best team in the league.” If Josh’s Bills beat up on contender after contender like the Ravens and Josh also had the low turnover output Lamar had (ie didn’t cost his team games), there’s no doubt Josh would’ve been in the MVP discussion all year long and the likely winner. When the Dolphins were hot early, Hill and Tua were heavily discussed. Before the 49ers hit their lull, Brock Purdy and McCaffrey were heavily discussed. Nowadays they seem to award the MVP to a player on the perceived best team rather than the player who was most impactful league wide. Race has nothing to do with it. Agree with you. If 49ers beat the Ravens, CMC would have been league MVP. He was trending toward being the favorite by halftime of that game, but once Ravens won, Lamar became the favorite and clinched it when they spanked the Dolphins. If MVP voting included playoffs, maybe someone overtakes Lamar, but the voting happens when the regular season wraps and Ravens were all the talk then. Edited February 9 by strive_for_five_guy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 bull#### Damar didn’t win comeback player of the year. Robbing Josh and now this. Dude literally died on the field. You can’t come back from any more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 If anyone wants to know where the NFL spends there money to avoid taxes, look at the celeb announcers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 MVP Fraud 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Is it mandatory for players to do a religious shout out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Dude adjust the mike up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 And to make it worse they freaking play My Way by Frank Sinatra during the nomination preview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) Not gonna lie, pretty messed up they used one of Allen's favorite songs to introduce Lamar. That's getting scrubbed from his playlist. Edited February 9 by The Wiz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Lamar…great player, but him getting the mvp this year is bunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 The most overrated player on the face of this planet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 one vote..... ONE. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: one vote..... ONE. 49 people voted wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, scuba guy said: 49 people voted wrong 49 people only check the record and decide based on stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaii50 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Only MVP award I care about for Josh is Super Bowl. Really don't even care if he gets it in a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) Allen finished 5th in MVP voting apparently. As a side note, man it seems like the people that vote on this are really sick of Mahomes. Edited February 9 by The Wiz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: one vote..... ONE. Josh is really not liked. Maybe it’s partly because he blows off Pro Bowls. Who knows. But one vote is outrageous. It’s like each Allen turnover is treated as 5 turnovers compared to every other top QB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 17 minutes ago, Brand J said: If Josh’s Bills beat up on contender after contender like the Ravens Allen was 5-1 against playoff teams. Lamar was 6-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, zow2 said: Josh is really not liked. Maybe it’s partly because he blows off Pro Bowls. Who knows. But one vote is outrageous. It’s like each Allen turnover is treated as 5 turnovers compared to every other top QB. I'm not mad about the MVP at all, honestly don't care but I agree. He's not liked. As someone said before it comes down to two reasons, they were wrong about him in their previous expectations of him and his race (and or his quoting racist things that were just him being a kid joking around with a friend). 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Pretty sure Allen’s 1 vote was Tony Romo 😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) Well at least Josh is taking this better than we are. Edited February 9 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 If there was any year where award should have gone to Non QB it was this year. However, not going to go crazy with the result. I would have given it to McCaffrey. However, Josh’s numbers at the end of the year probably had a lot to do with it. Numbers weren’t eye popping. I think if Josh had cut down on half of the turnovers and we didn’t have some of the losses we had to the bottom feeders. Josh would have easily taken award. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Allen was 5-1 against playoff teams. Lamar was 6-3. Lamar didn’t play against the Steelers in the final regular season game, so he was 6-2. But check this out… Ravens 25 Texans 9 Ravens 28 Browns 3 Ravens 38 Lions 6 Ravens 33 49ers 19 Ravens 56 Dolphins 19 Optics matter. Of their 13 regular seasons wins, 9 were by double digits. Of the eight teams in NFL history that had 9 wins by double digits or more, all had made the Super Bowl and only one of those didn’t win. The Lamar led Ravens bludgeoned teams and that’s why he’s MVP of the regular season, because he played phenomenal at times. It wasn’t because “let’s give the award to him because he’s Black.” I’m surprised so many of you agreed with that take. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGauna Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 The year we lock up the one seed is the year Josh wins MVP, next year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 CMC should have won. That being said, Josh should have won if a QB had to win it. Either way, the only votes I agreed on all night were CJ Stroud getting OROY and Tom Grossi winning Fan of the Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 So LJ now has 1 playoff win and 2 MVP’s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 40 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who was the ravens mvp if not lamar? A MLB or a S? Their defense. That's what kept them in games for the first 3/4 of the season. Lamar didn't do anything until December. He wasn't even in the MVP conversation until the 49ers lost to the Ravens and Purdy lost the MVP. Then all of a sudden everyone was saying how good Lamar was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, Brand J said: Lamar didn’t play against the Steelers in the final regular season game, so he was 6-2. But check this out… Ravens 25 Texans 9 Ravens 28 Browns 3 Ravens 38 Lions 6 Ravens 33 49ers 19 Ravens 56 Dolphins 19 Optics matter. Of their 13 regular seasons wins, 9 were by double digits. Of the eight teams in NFL history that had 9 wins by double digits or more, all had made the Super Bowl and only one of those didn’t win. The Lamar led Ravens bludgeoned teams and that’s why he’s MVP of the regular season, because he played phenomenal at times. It wasn’t because “let’s give the award to him because he’s Black.” I’m surprised so many of you agreed with that take. And then he choked to death in the playoffs like usual 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, JJGauna said: The year we lock up the one seed is the year Josh wins MVP, next year! Nope, they’ll move the goalpost and come up with some other excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'm not mad about the MVP at all, honestly don't care but I agree. He's not liked. As someone said before it comes down to two reasons, they were wrong about him in their previous expectations of him and his race (and or his quoting racist things that were just him being a kid joking around with a friend). I disagree actually. I think he’s generally well liked. But the general attitude toward the Bills is that they are good and sometimes great, but destined to choke. I think we’re viewed as a good team now, but in the end we’re still losers. Josh is living under Mahomes shadow. It’s going to be this way until the Bills win a Super Bowl. Why would the media spend time liking Josh when then could be giving that attention to other people and teams who don’t have legendary choke jobs and honestly a kind of cursed vibe attached to them. Those are obviously not my feelings toward Josh and the team, but I do believe it’s how a lot of other people view him and the team. It doesn’t matter how many incredible moments he has because in the end they come up short and it’s pointless and painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Onto next year... It really is a joke Lamar won it this year. Bills fan and Josh Allen homer aside... McCaffery really should have won it. Do even any of the most negative Nancy or (as they'd call themselves) "objective" and "realistic" posters on this board think Lamar Jackson was more valuable to his team this year or just flat out had a better year? Plus... anyone notice no one EVER talks about how many fumbles he loses... it's a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, Brand J said: Ravens 25 Texans 9 Ravens 28 Browns 3 Ravens 38 Lions 6 Ravens 33 49ers 19 Ravens 56 Dolphins 19 Optics matter. Of their 13 regular seasons wins, 9 were by double digits. Allen’s 5-1 record against playoff teams came with average margin of victory of 13 points. There is no way around it. Lamar was no more the MVP than Allen. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: So LJ now has 1 playoff win and 2 MVP’s? Now now, he has 2 playoff wins. Sooo, twice as good... MVP should include playoffs honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Allen’s 5-1 record against playoff teams came with average margin of victory of 13 points. There is no way around it. Lamar was no more the MVP than Allen. It doesn't matter... everyone (except Nick Wright) knows Allen is the better QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Einstein said: Allen’s 5-1 record against playoff teams came with average margin of victory of 13 points. There is no way around it. Lamar was no more the MVP than Allen. I didn’t say Lamar was more deserving of the MVP than Josh Allen, I said the award wasn’t given to Lamar simply because he was Black like you all believed and then pointed out the reasons for why he won. The Bills were “the best team in the NFL” for about one week, after they beat the Dolphins early in the year. The Ravens were by far the most consistent and dominate and beat the crap out of top contenders. That’s really not debatable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Gambit said: Now now, he has 2 playoff wins. Sooo, twice as good... MVP should include playoffs honestly. Only problem with that is that NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP would pretty much always be the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: So LJ now has 1 playoff win and 2 MVP’s? 2 playoff wins in his career. Who could forget the thrilling 20-13 victory over the Ryan Tannehill Titans in 2020? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 34 minutes ago, Blank Stare said: bull#### Damar didn’t win comeback player of the year. Robbing Josh and now this. Dude literally died on the field. You can’t come back from any more than that. Damar was closer to the Victor Allotey award than comeback player of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 12 minutes ago, Brand J said: Lamar didn’t play against the Steelers in the final regular season game, so he was 6-2. But check this out… Ravens 25 Texans 9 Ravens 28 Browns 3 Ravens 38 Lions 6 Ravens 33 49ers 19 Ravens 56 Dolphins 19 Optics matter. Of their 13 regular seasons wins, 9 were by double digits. Of the eight teams in NFL history that had 9 wins by double digits or more, all had made the Super Bowl and only one of those didn’t win. The Lamar led Ravens bludgeoned teams and that’s why he’s MVP of the regular season, because he played phenomenal at times. It wasn’t because “let’s give the award to him because he’s Black.” I’m surprised so many of you agreed with that take. The way to win the MVP: Be the one seed Have great stats Have a great offense That's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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