Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Brand J said: I didn’t say Lamar was more deserving of the MVP than Josh Allen, I said the award wasn’t given to Lamar simply because he was Black like you all believed and then pointed out the reasons for why he won Well it certainly wasn’t because of his record against playoff teams (Allen had a better record). And I don’t know how it could be about his margin of victory, because Allen had a 13 point MOV against playoff teams. And it can’t be about TD’s - because Allen had more of those. And they both won 6 of their last 7 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: Allen’s 5-1 record against playoff teams came with average margin of victory of 13 points. There is no way around it. Lamar was no more the MVP than Allen. They were the one seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, FireChans said: The way to win the MVP: Be the one seed Have great stats Have a great offense That's it. Or as Lamar proved by his win tonight, the stats don’t even have to be “great,” just don’t be perceived to have cost your team multiple games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, FireChans said: They were the one seed. I guess that’s what it comes down to now. QB of the 1 seed… MVP. Which (checks notes), would make Tannehill the MVP a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Well it certainly wasn’t because of his record against playoff teams (Allen had a better record). And I don’t know how it could be about his margin of victory, because Allen had a 13 point MOV against playoff teams. And it can’t be about TD’s - because Allen had more of those. And they both won 6 of their last 7 games. Well let’s play the same game with the Bills, shall we. Look at this… Buffalo 48 Dolphins 20 Buffalo 31 Cowboys 10 Welp, that’s it. No other big wins against playoff contenders. No other double digit smack downs. Your “average margin of victory was 13 points” was inflated by these two games. The Ravens had more double digit wins and more dominate performances against playoff teams. Why is this so hard to understand? Take off the homer glasses, the Bills were fortunate to eek out a few of those wins against playoff contenders. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Brand J said: Or as Lamar proved by his win tonight, the stats don’t even have to be “great,” just don’t be perceived to have cost your team multiple games. I think Lamar had a pretty great year. He had a passer rating over 100, 29 TD's to 7 INT's when he was sitting or barely playing in blowouts. He was 15th in passing yards (again while sitting in blowouts and missing week 17. He was 22nd in rushing yards. And his team was the one seed. 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: The way to win the MVP: Be the one seed Have great stats Have a great offense That's it. 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: I guess that’s what it comes down to now. QB of the 1 seed… MVP. Which (checks notes), would make Tannehill the MVP a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Brand J said: the Bills were fortunate to eek out a few of those wins against playoff contenders. 4 of the Bills 5 wins against playoff teams were by a TD or more. Hardly an eeking, and I think i’m one of the last posters anyone on this forum would label a homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Brand J said: Or as Lamar proved by his win tonight, the stats don’t even have to be “great,” just don’t be perceived to have cost your team multiple games. If you're going to have a bad game, don't do it in a national primetime game like Josh did against the Jets. Do it in a game no one is watching. https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401547460/ravens-steelers And make sure to throw the ball away or take a sack on 4th down rather than 'risk' a turnover. 4th & 2 at PIT 23 (0:13 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) L.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to Z.Flowers [C.Holcomb]. 4th & 7 at BAL 28 (0:15 - 4th) (Shotgun) L.Jackson sacked at BLT 22 for -6 yards (T.Watt). PENALTY on PIT-T.Watt, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced between downs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Brand J said: Or as Lamar proved by his win tonight, the stats don’t even have to be “great,” just don’t be perceived to have cost your team multiple games. So now defensive letdowns are a QB stat as well? Honestly asking. QB: I drove the field and we were winning after the two minute warning Defense: Thanks, we're gonna let them score though National media: Josh Allen hurts his team too much. Edited February 9 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: The way to win the MVP: Be the one seed Have great stats Have a great offense That's it. Only Lamar had hood stats.. kind of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5th *******place? Damn the media hates Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I think Lamar had a pretty great year. He had a passer rating over 100, 29 TD's to 7 INT's when he was sitting or barely playing in blowouts. He was 15th in passing yards (again while sitting in blowouts and missing week 17. He was 22nd in rushing yards. And his team was the one seed. Oh yeah, Lamar’s year was pretty good, I even said he played phenomenal at times, but there were other QBs with better stats and probably other players who were more valuable, so that’s what I was getting at when I said he didn’t have to put up “great” numbers. If his defense wasn’t as strong and they had to rely on him to do more, they likely lose more games and the more he loses, the further that MVP trophy gets away from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: The way to win the MVP: Be the one seed Have great stats Have a great offense That's it. Be the one seed Have average stats Have a great defense Fixed it for you in relation to 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, Brand J said: Oh yeah, Lamar’s year was pretty good, I even said he played phenomenal at times, but there were other QBs with better stats and probably other players who were more valuable, so that’s what I was getting at when I said he didn’t have to put up “great” numbers. If his defense wasn’t as strong and they had to rely on him to do more, they likely lose more games and the more he loses, the further that MVP trophy gets away from him. Meh, the more games they had to rely on Lamar, his counting stats probably go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: 4 of the Bills 5 wins against playoff teams were by a TD or more. Hardly an eeking, and I think i’m one of the last posters anyone on this forum would label a homer. I’m sorry, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I think Lamar had a pretty great year. He had a passer rating over 100, 29 TD's to 7 INT's when he was sitting or barely playing in blowouts. To put what you’re calling a great year into perspective, in 2022 a player had nearly identical stats to Lamar’s 2023 campaign. 99 passer rating, 31 TD, 7 INT’s. His name was Jared Goff and he didn’t receive even a single MVP vote. Not even a second or third plate vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Meh, the more games they had to rely on Lamar, his counting stats probably go up. So would the mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think Lamar had a pretty great year. He had a passer rating over 100, 29 TD's to 7 INT's when he was sitting or barely playing in blowouts. He was 15th in passing yards (again while sitting in blowouts and missing week 17. He was 22nd in rushing yards. And his team was the one seed. If your going to mention Lamar missing week 17 then you have to include all the times Allen sat early do to their lead in the beginning of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Herc11 said: Be the one seed Have average stats Have a great defense Fixed it for you in relation to 2023 Only 4 QB's who played 15 games or more had a passer rating over 100. There's nothing average about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Brand J said: I’m sorry, what? Not sure what you didn’t understand. The Bills had 5 wins against playoff teams. 4 of those came by a TD or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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