Diggs cryptic comments - 2024 edition

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We are drafting 28th.  And I remember Brady making his wr's better.  

 

 

Exactly

The 28th spot for the majority of us is being reserved for the Gabe Davis replacement.  So with that in mind, how are we going to be better this year if we move Diggs?

 

And I don't remember Brady in a year when the Pats* started two rookie WRs.

[billieve420]

52 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Nah, I think he’s declining. Not sure if he sucks yet. We will likely see in 2024 if his last ten games were an aberration or a reflection of his current ability. 
 

However, this phenomenon is well documented. If a player is purported to be “run out of town,” they do obviously suck. EJ got “ran out of town.” It’s the kiss of death for a career. Arguing that Diggs is being run out of town by the fans is very bad.

 

The sister clause is “if there’s a huge amount topics about you being a franchise QB, you aren’t one.”

 

When was the last time Josh had a “is he the guy” topic? Probably 2019?
 

How many did Tyrod and Fitz get? Thousands.

 

How many did Fields get? Thousands. 

Not always Lynch was ran out of town. He had his own issues but talent wasn’t one of them. If team deems player too big of a headache for what they bring to team they will look to move on.

 

Teams that make any decisions based on what the fans think shouldn’t be in charge in the first place. Essentially if Diggs is no longer worth keeping they could look to get rid of him post June 1st. Don’t see it happening and they most likely look to part ways next year if salary no longer meets production.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

On the flip side, the last year at Green Bay, A Rodgers did not make the playoffs- they were rebuilding.

Rodgers simply wasn't a franchise QB anymore. He got old (which is why it was ludicrous for NYJ to pay him all that money). The last third of that season he had fallen off to such a point that he threw 7 TD's and 5 INT's in those games. It was at that point that they saw the writing on the wall and deciding to move toward Love.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Yea, this is not it, but even if it was.. his play on the field last year didn’t come close to warranting his $$$.  What do NFL teams usually do when that becomes the case?  They move on, if possible.  For us, it may or may not be possible.

 

My guess.. Diggs is available, but due to the cap pain we’d face by trading him, it has to be worth it .. and I’m guessing we’ve gotten offers that aren’t worth it. 
 

Props to him for owning up publicly to the drop against KC.. a big part of my change in view from him post-CIN (favorable) to post-KC (unfavorable) is that he doesn’t step up in the biggest moments and, on top of it, seems incapable of owning up to that.  Seeing some self-reflection from him is a welcome sight.. now if he’s here this season and could step up in a big playoff moment, that would be great. 

*In your opinion. 

[Einstein's Dog]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Rodgers simply wasn't a franchise QB anymore. He got old (which is why it was ludicrous for NYJ to pay him all that money). The last third of that season he had fallen off to such a point that he threw 7 TD's and 5 INT's in those games. It was at that point that they saw the writing on the wall and deciding to move toward Love.

Kind of circular out of you.  A HOF QB is a franchise QB.  That franchise QB was put in a rebuild type situation with rookie WRs (and no D Adams) - the result was not pretty.  This, obviously, is a possibility, and it's up to the FO to make sure it doesn't happen.

 

So lets please stop with the "all you need is Josh" nonsense.  It's a team sport.  Lets try and remember Josh pre-Diggs.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Einstein's Dog said:

Kind of circular out of you.  A HOF QB is a franchise QB.  That franchise QB was put in a rebuild type situation with rookie WRs (and no D Adams) - the result was not pretty.  This, obviously, is a possibility, and it's up to the FO to make sure it doesn't happen.

 

So lets please stop with the "all you need is Josh" nonsense.  It's a team sport.  Lets try and remember Josh pre-Diggs.

Allen pre Diggs was an ascending superstar, it was pretty easy to see

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Allen pre Diggs was an ascending superstar, it was pretty easy to see

But it's hard to see the Bills listed as a contender if their starting WRs are penciled in as:  WR1 rookie, WR2 - Samuel, WR3- Shakir.

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Allen pre Diggs was an ascending superstar, it was pretty easy to see

Imo, there’s also the factor of diminishing returns.

 

I firmly believe that Allen needed Diggs much more in 2020 than he does now. There’s plenty of QB’s that benefitted from an elite target earlier in their career, but needed it less as time went on. 
 

Stafford got a lot better post Megatron. Brady had Moss for those few elite seasons, then made due with a relatively rag tag WR group. 
Mahomes got better as a QB without Tyreek. 
 

If you had the choice between Diggs (still assuming elite play) or Tee Higgins + Devonta Smith, who would you take in 2024. For me, it’s option 2 by a mile. I’d rather surround Allen with a bunch of good targets than 1 great one and a bunch of bums.

[Alphadawg7]

At least all the posters in this thread spreading misinformation and fake drama have totally exposed their agenda is all total BS just to manufacturer a narrative to try and manipulate other "fans" to join their minority of their PERSONAL desire for Diggs to be traded.  Ironic thing is that THEY are actually the drama, not Diggs.  So that is at least one good thing is that the same few keep posting and further exposing their agenda.

 

And yet there is no actual evidence of any drama of Diggs wanting out or the Bills actively trying to trade him.  

 

 

Edited March 17 by Alphadawg7

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

At least all the posters in this thread spreading misinformation and fake drama have totally exposed their agenda is all total BS just to manufacturer a narrative to try and manipulate other "fans" to join their minority of their PERSONAL desire for Diggs to be traded.  Ironic thing is that THEY are actually the drama, not Diggs.  So that is at least one good thing is that the same few keep posting and further exposing their agenda.

 

Despite the stupidity of this thread title, there is no actual evidence of any drama of Diggs wanting out or the Bills actively trying to trade him.  

He knows his posts cause NFL circles to run wild with speculation.  He does it anyway. 
 

You’re right, his weird vibes - on and off X - combined with his meh play when we’ve needed him are why I want him traded.

 

It’s not personal.. I don’t know him.  He plays for my team and he’s not as good as he thinks he is when it matters. 

 

Fans simping for him like everyone else is crazy are just as annoying to us as those like me who want him gone for shrinking in big moments are to you. 
 

 

Edited March 17 by SCBills

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

At least all the posters in this thread spreading misinformation and fake drama have totally exposed their agenda is all total BS just to manufacturer a narrative to try and manipulate other "fans" to join their minority of their PERSONAL desire for Diggs to be traded.  Ironic thing is that THEY are actually the drama, not Diggs.  So that is at least one good thing is that the same few keep posting and further exposing their agenda.

 

Lucky for everyone else there is no actual evidence of any drama of Diggs wanting out or the Bills actively trying to trade him.  

 my 'agenda' of hoping the Bills make moves I think help win a Super Bowl has been totally exposed

[Einstein]

13 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Kind of circular out of you. 

Wasn't circular at all. My argument is that there are no rebuilds when you have a franchise QB. You always make a run for the Super Bowl, every year.

You responded by talking about a team that had a nearly 40 year old, rapidly declining QB, that was once great but is no longer considered a top tier NFL player.

Perhaps you are confused by my definition of "franchise" QB. To me, that is not just a guy you have for a while. Its meaning is a top tier NFL QB.
 

13 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

A HOF QB is a franchise QB.  

Is Jim Kelly a franchise QB right now?

Of course not. But he was once.

Age diminishes skill. Just as it did with Rodgers. There is a reason why the Jets are the only team in the entire NFL who was interested in trading for him. 10  years ago, there would have been half a dozen suitors all bidding against each other for Rodgers services. But there wasnt last year - because he was turning 40 years old and the NFL had seen a decline in his play.

 

13 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Lets try and remember Josh pre-Diggs.

You mean like when he took the team to the playoffs in his second year and had 350+ yards by himself against Houston in a game where McD's defense crapped the bed on the final drive?

A game where we were up by 2 scores at one point?

 

The game where his top receivers were John Brown and Duke Williams?

Diggs didn't make Allen. Just like Hill didn't make Mahomes.
 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

At least all the posters in this thread spreading misinformation and fake drama have totally exposed their agenda is all total BS just to manufacturer a narrative to try and manipulate other "fans" to join their minority of their PERSONAL desire for Diggs to be traded.  Ironic thing is that THEY are actually the drama, not Diggs.  So that is at least one good thing is that the same few keep posting and further exposing their agenda.

 

And yet there is no actual evidence of any drama of Diggs wanting out or the Bills actively trying to trade him.  

 

 

@Einstein

 

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 my 'agenda' of hoping the Bills make moves I think help win a Super Bowl has been totally exposed

Very insidious of us.

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

At least all the posters in this thread spreading misinformation and fake drama have totally exposed their agenda is all total BS just to manufacturer a narrative to try and manipulate other "fans" to join their minority of their PERSONAL desire for Diggs to be traded.  Ironic thing is that THEY are actually the drama, not Diggs.  So that is at least one good thing is that the same few keep posting and further exposing their agenda.

 

And yet there is no actual evidence of any drama of Diggs wanting out or the Bills actively trying to trade him.  

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Imo, there’s also the factor of diminishing returns.

 

I firmly believe that Allen needed Diggs much more in 2020 than he does now. There’s plenty of QB’s that benefitted from an elite target earlier in their career, but needed it less as time went on. 
 

Stafford got a lot better post Megatron. Brady had Moss for those few elite seasons, then made due with a relatively rag tag WR group. 
Mahomes got better as a QB without Tyreek. 
 

If you had the choice between Diggs (still assuming elite play) or Tee Higgins + Devonta Smith, who would you take in 2024. For me, it’s option 2 by a mile. I’d rather surround Allen with a bunch of good targets than 1 great one and a bunch of bums.

If I could be sure that I was getting Higgins and Smith, sure. But what if instead it was a choice between Diggs and Jalen Reagor + Laviska Shenault? Kadarius Toney was a can't-miss prospect as was Elijah Moore. People are talking as if there are 15 future hall of fame WRs in this draft. History tells us that is not possible, and drafting at 28 you are just as likely to get a bust as a star. So, I want them to take that chance but to keep the sure 1,000 yards of production so as to not waste a year.  I don't think that's an unreasonable position to take.

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Wasn't circular at all. My argument is that there are no rebuilds when you have a franchise QB. You always make a run for the Super Bowl, every year.

You responded by talking about a team that had a nearly 40 year old, rapidly declining QB, that was once great but is no longer considered a top tier NFL player.

Perhaps you are confused by my definition of "franchise" QB. To me, that is not just a guy you have for a while. Its meaning is a top tier NFL QB.
I
Age diminishes skill. Just as it did with Rodgers. There is a reason why the Jets are the only team in the entire NFL who was interested in trading for him. 10  years ago, there would have been half a dozen suitors all bidding against each other for Rodgers services. But there wasnt last year - because he was turning 40 years old and the NFL had seen a decline in his play.

 

A Rodgers was a franchise QB while he was at Green Bay.  There were more than just the Jets interested in his services, it was the Jets that were the highest bidders.  He got more than Brady on the open market.

 

Point is, it's a team sport.  Good QBs can be on non-contenders.

 

The idea of moving Diggs this offseason after moving on from Davis would not be smart.  Replace Davis and worry about Diggs next year is just such a smarter strategy.  The cap hit is less, and the progression makes more sense.  Lets see how our first rookie does before penciling in major minutes for two unknowns.

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

[SoonerBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But it's hard to see the Bills listed as a contender if their starting WRs are penciled in as:  WR1 rookie, WR2 - Samuel, WR3- Shakir.

1. I really dig your name 😁

2. It doesn't matter what experts think.  To me this is a re tool year. Draft great, get the kids some reps.  Do free agency smart and contend in 25'.

 

I still think we are good enough to make the playoffs, but contend?  Who knows.

 

I feel there is no one on the DL in this draft that screams superstar. We should have offered our #2 for Mack if we were going all in again.  

 

I'm not thrilled with the DE class, but I love me the 2 DT's from Texas.  

Edited March 17 by SoonerBillsFan

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

If I could be sure that I was getting Higgins and Smith, sure. But what if instead it was a choice between Diggs and Jalen Reagor + Laviska Shenault? Kadarius Toney was a can't-miss prospect as was Elijah Moore. People are talking as if there are 15 future hall of fame WRs in this draft. History tells us that is not possible, and drafting at 28 you are just as likely to get a bust as a star. So, I want them to take that chance but to keep the sure 1,000 yards of production so as to not waste a year.  I don't think that's an unreasonable position to take.

Toney was not CANT miss. Neither was Shenault. Or Reagor. Or Moore. What?

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I want to give this post like 3-5 emojis lol

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

1. I really did your name 😁

2. It doesn't matter what experts think.  To me this is a re tool year. Draft great, get the kids some reps.  Do free agency smart and contend in 25'.

 

I still think we are good enough to make the playoffs, but contend?  Who knows.

 

I feel there is no one on the DL in this draft that screams superstar. We should have offered our #2 for Mack if we were going all in again.  

 

I'm not thrilled with the DE class, but I love me the 2 DT's from Texas.  

I can understand the moving Diggs if you think it is a re-tool/rebuild year.  Then take a big gulp of medicine and get a couple WRs.  But I think you are in the minority to want that.  Especially when the option is to contend for the title. 

 

Diggs/highly drafted rookie/Samuel/Shakir/Kincaid gives us a shot this year!  And if the rookie works out, the future would be extremely bright.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I can understand the moving Diggs if you think it is a re-tool/rebuild year.  Then take a big gulp of medicine and get a couple WRs.  But I think you are in the minority to want that.  Especially when the option is to contend for the title. 

 

Diggs/highly drafted rookie/Samuel/Shakir/Kincaid gives us a shot this year!  And if the rookie works out, the future would be extremely bright.

doubt trading diggs/not trading diggs would move our SB odds much tbh

[Maynard]

[Warriorspikes51]

Would there be a benefit to the other team if we waited until his 18.5 became guaranteed (is that at 4pm today) ? 
 

Say we agree to pay that in exchange for higher draft compensation? 

[FireChans]

33 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

If I could be sure that I was getting Higgins and Smith, sure. But what if instead it was a choice between Diggs and Jalen Reagor + Laviska Shenault? Kadarius Toney was a can't-miss prospect as was Elijah Moore. People are talking as if there are 15 future hall of fame WRs in this draft. History tells us that is not possible, and drafting at 28 you are just as likely to get a bust as a star. So, I want them to take that chance but to keep the sure 1,000 yards of production so as to not waste a year.  I don't think that's an unreasonable position to take.

I don't think its unreasonable.  I just think our best chance of drafting players to replace Diggs/Davis for the next 4-8 years is this year, in a super deep WR draft. I think there will be guys in rounds 2-4 that would be borderline first or second round picks next year. Of course that means there's some risk, but if Diggs is on his way out likely next season, why prolong the pain instead of getting that first rounder and third rounder more snaps and more experience this year?

 

This draft is similar to the 2020 draft, maybe even better in terms of WR talent. We are likely gonna be picking in the late 20s for the rest of Josh's career. This is the year to double down on WR's.  They don't both have to be All-Pros, they just have to be quality.  In 2020, the 20s picks and on were JJ, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman, Shenault, Hamler, Claypool, Jefferson, Mims, Edwards, Duvernay, Davis, AGG. 6 out of 12 proved to be able to produce at the NFL level (including Claypool who is a headcase, but the talent was there). So take 2 or 3 and build up the room.

 

I just don't think Diggs is the difference between wasting a year or not.  If we take two WR's decently high and they both bust, the SB run is over.  We will win the AFCE and win a playoff game no matter what.  And if I'm wrong, and the Bills win 6 games and get a high pick to actually help the team next year, that's awesome too.

 

None of those dudes you listed were can't miss, btw.

[BillsFanForever19]

[Aussie Joe]

Beane must be down the local Irish bar drinking Guinness 

[BillsFanForever19]

I think there's a good chance that we hear him say (if the cryptic tweets mean anything football related at all) that a lot of this stuff that people were reading into as him being unhappy or trying to facilitate a trade was actually just a genuine concern that he would be moved, following the way things ended and the long time players that were moved off the team.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I think there's a good chance that we hear him say (if the cryptic tweets mean anything football related at all) that a lot of this stuff that people were reading into as him being unhappy or trying to facilitate a trade was actually just a genuine concern that he would be moved, following the way things ended and the long time players that were moved off the team.

Holy smokes lol

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Well it looks like it’s not happening now. Maybe after June 1.

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Well it looks like it’s not happening now. Maybe after June 1.

didn’t Dallas trade Cooper right after his $ guaranteed? 

AB tripled down. Huge grain of salt. He did correctly have Russ Wilson agreeing to terms with Steelers before anyone else

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

didn’t Dallas trade Cooper right after his $ guaranteed? 

 

If he was considered a problem to Beane, he'd have moved him before locking in a check for 18.5m.

 

There's no scenario where we get a return for him worth us paying that much money to him, not having him on the team, taking a cap hit on top of it Pre 6/1 AND the other team picking up the cap hits on his contract.

 

Post 6/1 there's no point in doing it. The Draft has already happened. The FA market is bare bones. It'd essentially be us not having him on the team for rollover money - which we could have anyways while still having him on the team this year and moving on from him next year.

 

There's a reason the media was bringing it up the past couple days. If it were to happen, it would have been done before 4 PM today.

Edited March 18 by BillsFanForever19

[babulator]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I can understand the moving Diggs if you think it is a re-tool/rebuild year. 

There are no rebuilding retooling years when you have one  of the 2 best QB's in the league, there is only reloading. Theyre all  Lombardi or bust seasons now. Diggs has not been THAT guy that rises up and takes over big games. If we can find that guy in the draft and we needed draft capital from moving Diggs, thats not rebuilding imho. He is not that essential piece to be called a rebuild if moved.

[Warcodered]

On 3/15/2024 at 2:57 PM, SCBills said:

 

 

 

This stuff gets so dumb, so when he's about to be on a new team he changes his Pic to one of him in a Bills uniform? 🤣

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The 28th spot for the majority of us is being reserved for the Gabe Davis replacement.  So with that in mind, how are we going to be better this year if we move Diggs?

 

And I don't remember Brady in a year when the Pats* started two rookie WRs.

 

If I remember correctly that was because he took a discount because his wife was much richer than he was.

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

doubt trading diggs/not trading diggs would move our SB odds much tbh

 

I think there's room for some rational disagreement on whether it would move the success of our offense and our odds of getting to the playoffs next year.

 

Vegas odds, I Got Nuthin', Don't bet, don't follow Vegas

 

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I think there's a good chance that we hear him say (if the cryptic tweets mean anything football related at all) that a lot of this stuff that people were reading into as him being unhappy or trying to facilitate a trade was actually just a genuine concern that he would be moved, following the way things ended and the long time players that were moved off the team.

 

That's probably legit, he may well have been asked to take a pay cut or something and said. 'Um,  let me think....Nah" but then worried about what that meant

 

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Would there be a benefit to the other team if we waited until his 18.5 became guaranteed (is that at 4pm today) ? 
 

Say we agree to pay that in exchange for higher draft compensation? 

 

Dude, Please Stop. 

 

The Bills could pick up part of his salary.  It would get added on to the $31M dead cap hit from all his bonuses accelerating into this season.  We simply don't have the cap space for those kind of shenanigans.

 

Sooner or later, everyone (and I include you in this category) have to see how absurd this has become.

Edited March 17 by Beck Water

[transient]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Would there be a benefit to the other team if we waited until his 18.5 became guaranteed (is that at 4pm today) ? 
 

Say we agree to pay that in exchange for higher draft compensation? 

Did you bet the house on the Bills moving Diggs or something? Your posts are taking on an air of desperate rationalization of how this could still happen despite everything pointing to the contrary... it's starting to feel like you're afraid to go home and tell the missus that you blew junior's college fund at the craps table. 

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, transient said:

Did you bet the house on the Bills moving Diggs or something? Your posts are taking on an air of desperate rationalization of how this could still happen despite everything pointing to the contrary... it's starting to feel like you're afraid to go home and tell the missus that you blew junior's college fund at the craps table. 

this is a pathetic and disrespectful post. I’m simply wondering what our options would be. If you have a problem with that, go read a different thread

Edited March 17 by Warriorspikes51

[Warriorspikes51]

28 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think there's room for some rational disagreement on whether it would move the success of our offense and our odds of getting to the playoffs next year.

 

Vegas odds, I Got Nuthin', Don't bet, don't follow Vegas

 

 

That's probably legit, he may well have been asked to take a pay cut or something and said. 'Um,  let me think....Nah" but then worried about what that meant

 

 

Dude, Please Stop. 

 

The Bills could pick up part of his salary.  It would get added on to the $31M dead cap hit from all his bonuses accelerating into this season.  We simply don't have the cap space for those kind of shenanigans.

 

Sooner or later, everyone (and I include you in this category) have to see how absurd this has become.

I simply don’t understand how the cap aspect of these transactions work as well as others. I was only wondering.  

[BillsFanForever19]

54 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I can see a trade happening during the draft with a post 6/1 designation.

 

And we aren't paying Diggs 18+ in a bo us today,his salary was just guaranteed. 

 

That's not possible. You can't trade before 6/1 with a Post 6/1 designation. It's not like a 6/1 release. For a trade to happen to fall under the financial parameters of what would come Post 6/1 - the trade would have to be done after 6/1.

Edited March 18 by BillsFanForever19