klos63 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: No but if he signs a top of the market long term deal it will hurt them long term. You won't be able to keep a few of these good young players (Waddle, Eichenberg, Hunt, Jackson, Phillips, Wilkins, Hollands). Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Again, you don't need to surround Josh with as much talent as you do Tua to have a highly productive offense. It's why you should only pay elite QB's top of the market deals. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, klos63 said: The cap goes up every season and most teams know how to manage it well. If your hopes depend on the Dolphins having cap problems, I think you'll be disappointed. I mean they will lose Wilkins already. They probably can't keep Ramsey and Howard. They are already 70 million over without Tua and Waddle signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Miami fans: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Yes, of course it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 12 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. Great? Nah Look, we rag on Tua here. He's a rival team QB. He's not a one read QB. But I don't think there's any denying that he's come up small in December and January the last two years even with a HOF WR, a #2 who could arguably be #1 on most teams in the league and an offensive coach who tailored the offense to maximize Tua's strengths and hide his weaknesses. If I have to build a team from scratch I am taking Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar and Stroud over Tua in a heartbeat. Above average QBs get paid and very recently have been paid stupid money. With the Dolphins in as much or worse cap hell as the Bills I won't knock anyone cheering the Dolphins to lock their budget for the next 8 years. Josh's contact looks ridiculously good right now 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Don't be surprised if he gets more than Josh got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Tua is not Josh. Josh covers so much of what’s happening on the roster, weak points are not as weak. Tua needs so much help, him having a too contract will absolutely hamper the dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) We Bills Fans have become quarterback snobs, haven't we? We are slamming Tua as if he is garbage and while he is not an elite qb, he is more than twice as good as anything we had between the years of 1997 and 2017. I mean we are looking back at JP Losman, Trent Edwards, a finished Drew Bledsoe, Tyrod Taylor, Fitz, Rob Johnson, Todd Collins and Doug Flutie (who may have been the best of this sorry bunch). Looking back at that sad list, in those days we would have welcomed Tua, no? Edited February 4 by Bill from NYC 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, klos63 said: Did it hurt the Bills? At the time, Josh's contract was at the top. Its starting to make it harder despite him being good enough to carry a team we are totally out of our easiest path to a ring unfortunately - though still have a window open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 14 hours ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. Tua is a good QB with known and obvious limitations, he isn’t a great QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 9 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Don't be surprised if he gets more than Josh got. 🤔 That works on any of a number of levels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 17 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Again, you don't need to surround Josh with as much talent as you do Tua to have a highly productive offense. Not to derail this discussion but yes we need to surround Josh with more talent than he has. One could think that we couldn't sign DHop because of cap constraints - one player who could have changed the ultimate outcome of the Bills season . Again, I don't want to hijack this thread. But paying Tua will affext their ability to get the level of talent they have now. But Dolphins need to pay him. He is a good guy and a good enough QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 15 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Great? Nah Look, we rag on Tua here. He's a rival team QB. He's not a one read QB. But I don't think there's any denying that he's come up small in December and January the last two years even with a HOF WR, a #2 who could arguably be #1 on most teams in the league and an offensive coach who tailored the offense to maximize Tua's strengths and hide his weaknesses. If I have to build a team from scratch I am taking Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar and Stroud over Tua in a heartbeat. Above average QBs get paid and very recently have been paid stupid money. With the Dolphins in as much or worse cap hell as the Bills I won't knock anyone cheering the Dolphins to lock their budget for the next 8 years. Josh's contact looks ridiculously good right now Lamar doesn’t come up short? This is the same narrative on here. If you don’t win the SB you suck. Tua will most likely keep improving. They don’t have much chance. And as you say it does help us regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 KC eliminated Miami and Buffalo. Look at how each QB played. Josh played a great game and was let down by his supporting cast on offense. Can you say the same for Tua? Guy was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 16 hours ago, nedboy7 said: People hating on Tua are silly. Dude is a great QB. But then again some of you literally hate the Bills. I love Tua! And hope the Fish sign him to the largest NFL contract ever and he pilots the team to oblivion again and again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 You can't say we're being mean, because we're rooting for the man to become the highest paid QB in history, preferably with an iron clad fully guaranteed contract! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 13 hours ago, first_and_ten said: Don't be surprised if he gets more than Josh got. I will almost guarantee he gets more. The cap goes up every year, so that's just the way it works. He will probably get 45-48 per year if I were to guess. Term/guarantees will Be the big numbers to look at though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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