2024 WR Draft Class

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

wasn’t the Jones report false?  & yes on Legette.

 

Damn. I didn't follow up on the post. Looked like a legit NYG reporter. Fake Twitter gonna fake Twitter.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Damn. I didn't follow up on the post. Looked like a legit NYG reporter. Fake Twitter gonna fake Twitter.

I’ve been fooled too many times😂

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

According to DCOranges spreadsheet Anthony Gould actually has the highest YPRR vs man in this years draft class. But Legette is second and weighs almost 50 pounds more than Gould. He was very good this year, had a nice pro day today too from reports.

Thomas, Mitchell, and Legette are the WRs I think they should be and are looking at. Thomas is likely out of reach. Mitchell is a maybe at #28. I think Legette will be there. What I can't get is a consistent read on where he is stacking up in the draft. A lot of boards seem to be projecting him as a late 2nd, even 3rd rounder. I don't see that, but I'd like to have a sense of where the consensus on him is among NFL teams.

 

Regardless, I'm taking him over Coleman, and I still think he's a good bet for our pick in the first.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

[Gambit]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Please let us land him or Thomas

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Thomas, Mitchell, and Legette are the WRs I think they should be and are looking at. Thomas is likely out of reach. Mitchell is a maybe at #28. I think Legette will be there. What I can't get is a consistent read on where he is stacking up in the draft. A lot of boards seem to be projecting him as a late 2nd, even 3rd rounder. I don't see that, but I'd like to have a sense of where the consensus on him is among NFL teams.

 

Regardless, I'm taking him over Coleman, and I still think he's a good bet for our pick in the first.

 

I don't have Leggette in the top 10 (he is 11th on my board), I would target him in the 3rd, maybe late 2nd.  He has all the same flaws as Gabe Davis.  Lacks acceleration and burst as he is a strider and doesn't get up to his top speed unless running in a straight line.  Struggles off the LOS and getting separation in the shorter and mid areas of the field.  He is going to be a project, I would rather take him in the 3rd if we take him.

1. Harrison
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
4. Thomas
5. McConkey
6. Mitchell
7. Coleman
8. Franklin
9. Worthy
10. Pearsall
11. Leggette

[OldTimer1960]

On 3/9/2024 at 1:43 PM, BBFL said:

If it’s between those two DEs, you’d hope they choose Latu. Though Latu honestly reminds me of a more atheltic AJE who was successful the finals two years before declaring. 
 

This draft is going to be what they value more. There’s a top end talent at DLine and WR, after that it’s a plethora of guys who could be special. 
 

This draft could go so many ways. Pretty exciting. 

I don’t see the comparison to Epenesa in college.  Epenesa was almost completely a power pass rusher and Latu is a very good technical pass rusher, though he has a serious neck injury in his past.

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, Gambit said:

Please let us land him or Thomas

I think the Mitchell hype is too high.  I guess I won’t be disappointed if they take him, but I won’t be dancing, either.  I see the movement skills and ability to cut fairly well, but I’ve watched a couple of full games and I think he has potential, but he has to work harder than he appears to.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Would love news about Hollywood Brown or Curtis Samuel

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't have Leggette in the top 10 (he is 11th on my board), I would target him in the 3rd, maybe late 2nd.  He has all the same flaws as Gabe Davis.  Lacks acceleration and burst as he is a strider and doesn't get up to his top speed unless running in a straight line.  Struggles off the LOS and getting separation in the shorter and mid areas of the field.  He is going to be a project, I would rather take him in the 3rd if we take him.

1. Harrison
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
4. Thomas
5. McConkey
6. Mitchell
7. Coleman
8. Franklin
9. Worthy
10. Pearsall
11. Leggette

 

There are some similarities to Gabe and Legette in terms of size. But there are a few key differences that would make Legette an upgrade. 

 

One is that Legette's top speed measured on the field last year was faster than anyone in the NFL during the season. The man exceeded 22 mph.

 

Legette also excels in a number of short routes that Davis doesn't. He's very good on bubble screens, drags and quick slants. Those are some bread and butter plays that allowed him to be one of the best receivers beating man coverage last year.

 

Also, his 73% catch percentage last year is better than any year Davis has had...

 

So his long speed is much better than Davis, he produces very well in the short underneath game to beat man, and he catch the ball more consistently.

[Dr. Who]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't have Leggette in the top 10 (he is 11th on my board), I would target him in the 3rd, maybe late 2nd.  He has all the same flaws as Gabe Davis.  Lacks acceleration and burst as he is a strider and doesn't get up to his top speed unless running in a straight line.  Struggles off the LOS and getting separation in the shorter and mid areas of the field.  He is going to be a project, I would rather take him in the 3rd if we take him.

1. Harrison
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
4. Thomas
5. McConkey
6. Mitchell
7. Coleman
8. Franklin
9. Worthy
10. Pearsall
11. Leggette

Well, I like Thomas, McConkey, and Mitchell. I was defending McConkey as a fella who could replace Diggs one day.

I do think they should look at a big X. I don't see any chance Thomas even slides within trade range.

Mitchell would be nice.

[OldTimer1960]

8 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

There are some similarities to Gabe and Legette in terms of size. But there are a few key differences that would make Legette an upgrade. 

 

One is that Legette's top speed measured on the field last year was faster than anyone in the NFL during the season. The man exceeded 22 mph.

 

Legette also excels in a number of short routes that Davis doesn't. He's very good on bubble screens, drags and quick slants. Those are some bread and butter plays that allowed him to be one of the best receivers beating man coverage last year.

 

Also, his 73% catch percentage last year is better than any year Davis has had...

 

So his long speed is much better than Davis, he produces very well in the short underneath game to beat man, and he catch the ball more consistently.

Agreed, but “better than Gabe” hopefully is not the bar to clear at 28.  To be clear, I’m not saying I don’t like Legette, but 28 feels rich for him.

[Motorin']

8 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Agreed, but “better than Gabe” hopefully is not the bar to clear at 28.  To be clear, I’m not saying I don’t like Legette, but 28 feels rich for him.

 

I hear that... I see Legette as a cross between Deebo and Aj Brown. And like them think he will go in early to mid round 2. So you have to either take him a bit too early at 28, or trade up in round 2. 

 

I think Worthy could go as the 4th or 5th and push Mitchell down to us. Or within a small trade up. 

 

But if all the 1st round grade wr's are gone and Beane couldn't trade up, then he has to go BPA (hopefully at a premium position of need: DE, CB) or trade down into early 2... And if neither of those are available, I think that's when you look to take a wr like Legette at 28.

Edited March 13 by Motorin'

[NeverOutNick]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

That’s my boy…well one of them lol 

[gonzo1105]

People always laugh about comp picks but the Bills are now at 11 picks this year and right now 10 picks next year. 
 

If your on the trade up train for someone like Adonai Mitchell or whomever they can dip into their pick pool for next year despite not having a 3rd rounder this year 

[The Wiz]

3 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Would love news about Hollywood Brown or Curtis Samuel

They will be signing large deals with a team not named the bills.  That is the news on them.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't have Leggette in the top 10 (he is 11th on my board), I would target him in the 3rd, maybe late 2nd.  He has all the same flaws as Gabe Davis.  Lacks acceleration and burst as he is a strider and doesn't get up to his top speed unless running in a straight line.  Struggles off the LOS and getting separation in the shorter and mid areas of the field.  He is going to be a project, I would rather take him in the 3rd if we take him.

1. Harrison
2. Nabers
3. Odunze
4. Thomas
5. McConkey
6. Mitchell
7. Coleman
8. Franklin
9. Worthy
10. Pearsall
11. Leggette

 

I disagree strongly. I think he is way better than Gabe. He is a 1st round grade and WR4 on my board. I do think there is some inefficiency in his release that can be tidied up and I agree that while he is fast he isn't sudden he is a long strider. But he separates plenty well enough at all levels of the field for me. Indeed against man coverage he separates at a better rate than most of the class. And then he is terrific attacking the football in the air. I'd happily take him at #28 and not look back. I do accept that the one year production and the age are legit concerns, but the tape is really good IMO.

 

But I accept I am higher than the consensus. He won't go round 1 I don't think. But I am very confident he is going to be really good in the NFL. 

50 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

There are some similarities to Gabe and Legette in terms of size. But there are a few key differences that would make Legette an upgrade. 

 

One is that Legette's top speed measured on the field last year was faster than anyone in the NFL during the season. The man exceeded 22 mph.

 

Legette also excels in a number of short routes that Davis doesn't. He's very good on bubble screens, drags and quick slants. Those are some bread and butter plays that allowed him to be one of the best receivers beating man coverage last year.

 

Also, his 73% catch percentage last year is better than any year Davis has had...

 

So his long speed is much better than Davis, he produces very well in the short underneath game to beat man, and he catch the ball more consistently.

 

Basically this is what I see on film too.

Edited March 13 by GunnerBill

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree strongly. I think he is way better than Gabe. He is a 1st round grade and WR4 on my board. I do think there is some inefficiency in his release that can be tidied up and I agree that while he is fast he isn't sudden he is a long strider. But he separates plenty well enough at all levels of the field for me. Indeed against man coverage he separates at a better rate than most of the class. And then he is terrific attacking the football in the air. I'd happily take him at #28 and not look back. I do accept that the one year production and the age are legit concerns, but the tape is really good IMO.

 

But I accept I am higher than the consensus. He won't go round 1 I don't think. But I am very confident he is going to be really good in the NFL. 

 

Basically this is what I see on film too.

I've been thinking he's a solid bet for us at #28. I figure Mitchell could be the choice there, but I'm surprised you are skeptical he will go round 1. 

I don't want to hear Beane passing on Legette to take a Chop Robinson. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

I've been thinking he's a solid bet for us at #28. I figure Mitchell could be the choice there, but I'm surprised you are skeptical he will go round 1. 

I don't want to hear Beane passing on Legette to take a Chop Robinson. 

 

I know it isn't the be all and end all but find me a reputable mocker with Legette in round 1. The creditable guys mock based on what they hear from sources. That's the job. And I am not seeing him turning up there which suggests sources are more consistent with the guys I speak to who think he will go round 2.

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I know it isn't the be all and end all but find me a reputable mocker with Legette in round 1. The creditable guys mock based on what they hear from sources. That's the job. And I am not seeing him turning up there which suggests sources are more consistent with the guys I speak to who think he will go round 2.

 

I could be wrong, but he feels like a Kaiir Elam to me. Not a great comparison as far as what Elam's done at the next level, but same concept. A guy who is in a cluster of guys considered high to mid 2nd Rounders who, when push comes to shove, goes higher than people thought based on measurables and athletic traits.

 

Almost no one had Elam going above Andrew Booth and he was firmly entrenched in that next tier with Kyler Gordon and Roger McCreary - with many having him under one or both of them as well.

 

When there's a group of similarly talented players at the same position, mocks are often wrong when Draft Day comes and it comes down to team preference. Of which they're simply guessing. We also haven't fully reached the apex of where they start altering Drafts based on things they've heard. That's not going to happen until we get much closer.

Edited March 13 by BillsFanForever19

[Alphadawg7]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree strongly. I think he is way better than Gabe. He is a 1st round grade and WR4 on my board. I do think there is some inefficiency in his release that can be tidied up and I agree that while he is fast he isn't sudden he is a long strider. But he separates plenty well enough at all levels of the field for me. Indeed against man coverage he separates at a better rate than most of the class. And then he is terrific attacking the football in the air. I'd happily take him at #28 and not look back. I do accept that the one year production and the age are legit concerns, but the tape is really good IMO.

 

But I accept I am higher than the consensus. He won't go round 1 I don't think. But I am very confident he is going to be really good in the NFL. 

 

Basically this is what I see on film too.

 

Let me be clear, I did not say he isn't better than Gabe.  I said he has a lot of the same weaknesses that Gabe did, but he is faster and has better hands and I would take him over Gabe for sure.  I want a WR who is going to consistently put pressure on all 3 phases of the defense, and Leggette struggles with short area acceleration and burst as he is more of a strider to get to his top speed.  Do I think he can come in a be a better Gabe and dominant WR2...sure...but I am not sold he can be an elite WR1 in the NFL, and I think there are prospects like Thomas, Mitchell, McConkey who I think have a better shot at being a WR1 at the next level.  Doesn't mean Leggette can't be, but between his areas of concern, lesser competition, and limited production, he is a bigger risk.  

 

And that is the kind of player Leggette is right now, more polarizing than some of the other guys.  There are guys who think he is top 5 WR, and I have seen ranked in the teens.  Worthy is another whose opinions vary greatly.  And like you accept you have him higher than the consensus, I acknowledge I have him a bit lower than some too.  

 

Personally, in this draft, I think he can be had in the 2nd round.  If we trade back from 28 and take him, I would be totally fine with that, especially if we pick up an extra 3rd on the trade back.  So even if you think he is that good, I am pretty sure we can get him on a trade back before we should take him at 28.  

 

Leggette is an intriguing prospect, I won't be mad if we land him, but he isn't as clean a prospect as some of the other guys as he has a lower floor so the issue I have is just taking him in the first.  If Diggs was 28, I would feel a lot better taking him...but the guy we take is not only going to need to contribute year 1, but this is the best WR draft maybe ever and this may be our best shot at landing the heir to Diggs while also landing a future WR2 later in the draft to develop as well.  So I don't want to miss with this pick.

 

I should also be clear, that I have the top 11 WR's as all potential WR1's in the NFL.  And I have a pretty stellar record when it comes to WR's and I have never entered a draft feeling that this many guys (11) have strong WR1 potential.  Its crazy deep this year at both the top and through day 3.  But I have them grouped as such:

 

Elite WR1 Prospects who each could have been the top WR prospect in probably half the drafts in the last 10 years - Top 4

Harrisson, Nabers, Odunze, Thomas

 

Legit WR1 Prospects with some minor concerns/questions - 5th-7th

McConkey, Mitchell, Coleman - McConkey some debate is he a true WR1 at the next level (I am confident he is), Mitchell has some questions why his stats don't match his elite traits, and Coleman has questions on can he consistently get separation at the next level even though he is an open even when not open type player.   

 

Elite WR2 to potential WR1 prospects with a little more questions or concerns than the group ahead of them - 8th - 11th

Franklin, Pearsall, Worthy, Leggette - Franklin has concerns over his frame and maybe being a long ball specialist, Pearsall some aren't sold he can be a WR1 despite having the traits for it, Worthy is fast as lightning but his lanky frame and lack of strength some fear makes him a WR2 in the NFL, and Leggette we already discussed.  

 

There isn't a WR in that top 11 I would be upset if we drafted, just some of them I think we would be better off trading back and taking in round 2 and picking up an extra 3rd where we can maybe double dip on one of these guys who could slip or another one of the other intriguing WR prospects outside this top 11.  

Edited March 13 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

When there's a group of similarly talented players at the same position, mocks are often wrong when Draft Day comes and it comes down to team preference. Of which they're simply guessing. We also haven't fully reached the apex of where they start altering Drafts based on things they've heard. That's not going to happen until we get much closer.

 

Post Combine the big network guys already have good sources of information flowing. Okay that always refines as we get closer. But at this stage Id be surprised if there are many guys taken that they are not starting to have in that conversation.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Post Combine the big network guys already have good sources of information flowing. Okay that always refines as we get closer. But at this stage Id be surprised if there are many guys taken that they are not starting to have in that conversation.

Let me push you a little  more on this. What are you taking from what you are currently hearing as an indicator of what Beane may be thinking?

Do you think Beane stays at #28 and takes the top WR on his board, trades back if he doesn't see value, goes for an edge in a bad year at the position?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Let me push you a little  more on this. What are you taking from what you are currently hearing as an indicator of what Beane may be thinking?

Do you think Beane stays at #28 and takes the top WR on his board, trades back if he doesn't see value, goes for an edge in a bad year at the position?

 

I am where I have been all along I think with the exception of I think the odds of a trade UP reduced with the comp pick debacle. I think the most likely outcome is that he stands pat and picks the best receiver on his board, closely followed by he stands pat and selects Chop Robinson. I think the trade back is and remains the outsider of the bunch but I don't totally discount it. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am where I have been all along I think with the exception of I think the odds of a trade UP reduced with the comp pick debacle. I think the most likely outcome is that he stands pat and picks the best receiver on his board, closely followed by he stands pat and selects Chop Robinson. I think the trade back is and remains the outsider of the bunch but I don't totally discount it. 

Okay, I'm going with a small trade up for Mitchell, or Legette at #28. I am in the minority, and I know you don't agree, but I wouldn't be mad if it was McConkey.

I'll be mad if it is Robinson.

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Okay, I'm going with a small trade up for Mitchell, or Legette at #28. I am in the minority, and I know you don't agree, but I wouldn't be mad if it was McConkey.

I'll be mad if it is Robinson.

 

 

I wouldn't be mad if it is McConkey. More perplexed. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I wouldn't be mad if it is McConkey. More perplexed. 

Yeah, I believe he could eventually replace Diggs. I think his ability on the outside is greater than many surmise. I don't think he's just a slot.

And as an UGA fan, I saw a lot of him, and I just think he's special.

 

But I would favor Mitchell and Legette, because they are true big X receivers.

 

 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yeah, I believe he could eventually replace Diggs. I think his ability on the outside is greater than many surmise. I don't think he's just a slot.

And as an UGA fan, I saw a lot of him, and I just think he's special.

 

But I would favor Mitchell and Legette, because they are true big X receivers.

 

 

 

Living in Atlanta and with a UGA DIL, I’ve seen quite a bit of McConkey too. He just looks like….a football player.

 

He’s gritty and smart, and fun to watch.  I know he measures close to some of the bigger outside guys, but he doesn’t look it to me for some reason. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Living in Atlanta and with a UGA DIL, I’ve seen quite a bit of McConkey too. He just looks like….a football player.

 

He’s gritty and smart, and fun to watch.  I know he measures close to some of the bigger outside guys, but he doesn’t look it to me for some reason. 

He doesn't look as athletic as he is, either. He's a stealth fella. Folks think he is just getting by on guile, but they are wrong.

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

He doesn't look as athletic as he is, either. He's a stealth fella. Folks think he is just getting by on guile, but they are wrong.

 

He looks like a guy who would go to the HOF with Brady throwing to him. 

[gonzo1105]

24 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

He doesn't look as athletic as he is, either. He's a stealth fella. Folks think he is just getting by on guile, but they are wrong.

People want to pigeonhole him as a slot because he’s White and not 6’3. Literally all the facts from his game tape, to his testing, to his comparisons put him right up there with many top outside WRs. Do the Bills take him I have no idea but the slot WR not sure he can play outside bit is dumb as hell 

[Dan in Owego]

12 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

People want to pigeonhole him as a slot because he’s White and not 6’3. Literally all the facts from his game tape, to his testing, to his comparisons put him right up there with many top outside WRs. Do the Bills take him I have no idea but the slot WR not sure he can play outside bit is dumb as hell 

Think he would be best as a movement Z, with is fine because i really think we can get that bigger prototypical X later. Brendan Rice comes to mind, Later yet i really like Bub Means from Pitt. There are others as well so it could be a real possibility.

[Aussie Joe]

47 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Living in Atlanta and with a UGA DIL, I’ve seen quite a bit of McConkey too. He just looks like….a football player.

 

He’s gritty and smart, and fun to watch.  I know he measures close to some of the bigger outside guys, but he doesn’t look it to me for some reason. 

Before the combine …some people were describing him as “slow”… I had no idea where that narrative was coming from ..I think it’s because some just look at him and underestimate him…

I think his ability to get separation would really suit Josh ..it’s a cliche for sure …he loves throwing to guys already open… although we know that he can also put it though a mail box slit if he has to as well…. I like McConkeys hands too …which we all know has been a problem at Buffalo in the past .. Also, whilst his ceiling may not be the highest on offer …I think he can be a contributor Week 1… they are looking like they are going to need that … and i don’t want them waiting to Year 3 for their project to get  to maximum production…

 

I don’t know how his game is going to translate to the outside in the NFL ..let’s be  honest .. no one does …. But I don’t want the shortcomings around his immeadiate “fit” to be the determining factor on whether they pick him or not … he could be a big part of this team for 7-8 years … 

 

If he ends up being the guy they pick ..I’m going to go with it,,,. He may not be my no 1 choice … ( but  he is probably No 2 of the guys likely to go 4-12) …  

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

Think he would be best as a movement Z

 

Yea that is what I think he is too. He is a Y/Z. I don't think he can play as an X. 

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that is what I think he is too. He is a Y/Z. I don't think he can play as an X. 

If you draft him, you have to get an X later in the draft. It's simple as that. I don't think it's an impossible ask, but risky.

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that is what I think he is too. He is a Y/Z. I don't think he can play as an X. 

I think you have an old school mindset about formations and lining up. Kupp, Nacua, and Atwell are all classified as slots guys and they made it work. I get the idea of a bigger body across from Diggs but this is 2024 not 1995. If you have an innovator on offense body types shouldn’t matter. 
 

Waddle and Tyreek Hill neither is a traditional X

 

Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel , Jahan Dotson

Jags had Ridley , Christian Kirk, and Zay Jones none of which are X WRs 

[SCBills]

Ok, we have to draft him now. 
 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

3 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think you have an old school mindset about formations and lining up. Kupp, Nacua, and Atwell are all classified as slots guys and they made it work. I get the idea of a bigger body across from Diggs but this is 2024 not 1995. If you have an innovator on offense body types shouldn’t matter. 
 

Waddle and Tyreek Hill neither is a traditional X

 

Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel , Jahan Dotson

Jags had Ridley , Christian Kirk, and Zay Jones none of which are X WRs 

Please stop making so much sense

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Ok, we have to draft him now. 
 

 

his team will call him Bubba

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think you have an old school mindset about formations and lining up. Kupp, Nacua, and Atwell are all classified as slots guys and they made it work. I get the idea of a bigger body across from Diggs but this is 2024 not 1995. If you have an innovator on offense body types shouldn’t matter. 
 

Waddle and Tyreek Hill neither is a traditional X

 

Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel , Jahan Dotson

Jags had Ridley , Christian Kirk, and Zay Jones none of which are X WRs 

 

 

That's excellent for those teams but I do want a star receiver who is big and has an extra gear to track down an overthrown ball for the Buffalo Bills..........because being accurate downfield in Miami is different than doing so in Buffalo.   From the wind/rain/cold to Josh Allen's inconsistent ball placement to the crowned field the Bills need a big, downfield target to provide a larger catch radius IMO.   And if you have to have one out there he might as well be a good one.