Laporta versus Kincaid?

[Toledo Bill]

When not watching the Bills I watch most of the Lions games.

I am curious what people think… who is better?

If I remember correctly, Kincaid was the top rated tight end coming into the draft.

I wonder if Laporta is better suited to be a  tight end in the NFL..

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Actually I think most had Laporta as the number 1 TE and he is playing like it. Beane wanted Aaron Hernandez. He wanted a flex TE and that is what Kincaid is.

LaPorta is obviously far better right now. But it's early. Kincaid still looks like he can be a star. 

[Buffalo03]

I'll settle this real quickly. Take LaPorta out of the Lions offense and put him in the Bills offense and take Kincaid and put him in the Lions offense, production is flipped. There, now go back to not making stupid posts. It's not Kincaid, it's how they are used

Edited December 24, 2023 by Buffalo03

[BBFL]

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Actually I think most had Laporta as the number 1 TE and he is playing like it. Beane wanted Aaron Hernandez. He wanted a flex TE and that is what Kincaid is.

LaPorta is obviously far better right now. But it's early. Kincaid still looks like he can be a star. 

Let’s hope he’s not Aaron and actually has a career that isn’t cut short; for whatever reason. 

[Toledo Bill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'll settle this real quickly. Take LaPorta out of the Lions offense and put Kincaid in the Lions offense, production is flipped. There, now go back to not making stupid posts. It's not Kincaid, it's how they are used

Not a stupid point, it was just a conversational question. 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Toledo Bill said:

Not a stupid point, it was just a conversational question. 

There's no question to be had. If you honestly think LaPorta looks just as good in our offense as he does in Detroit, I hate to break it to you, it would make no difference. Kincaid would be the better TE if he was in Detroit 

[That's No Moon]

9 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said:

When not watching the Bills I watch most of the Lions games.

I am curious what people think… who is better?

If I remember correctly, Kincaid was the top rated tight end coming into the draft.

I wonder if Laporta is better suited to be a  tight end in the NFL..

LaPorta is a better all around TE, he also plays for a former TE who is committed to using him a lot. Kincaid was and is breasts on a bull when Knox is healthy. That makes LaPorta the better choice for the Lions, but LaPorta would have been a bad choice for the Bills too.

[Toledo Bill]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

There's no question to be had. If you honestly think LaPorta looks just as good in our offense as he does in Detroit, I hate to break it to you, it would make no difference. Kincaid would be the better TE if he was in Detroit 

A Valium might help your combative attitude. A question to a forum looking for opinions is just that. To be told it is a stupid question and you “hate to break it to me”… you must be a real joy.

[Airseven]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'll settle this real quickly. Take LaPorta out of the Lions offense and put him in the Bills offense and take Kincaid and put him in the Lions offense, production is flipped. There, now go back to not making stupid posts. It's not Kincaid, it's how they are used

Right. Of course. That empty hypothetical that can’t be debated. 
 

Beane wanted a WR but then had to scramble for Kincaid. It may be that the type of pass-catching TE that Kincaid can become will take longer to develop.

 

 

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said:

A Valium might help your combative attitude. A question to a forum looking for opinions is just that. To be told it is a stupid question and you “hate to break it to me”… you must be a real joy.

I don't have an attitude. Just watch the teams play. Tell me how you think the 2 are any different from each other if the offenses were flipped? One really isn't any better than the other, the Lions simply use LaPorta the way he is supposed to be used. Period

[boyst]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'll settle this real quickly. Take LaPorta out of the Lions offense and put him in the Bills offense and take Kincaid and put him in the Lions offense, production is flipped. There, now go back to not making stupid posts. It's not Kincaid, it's how they are used

Why do you have to jump in and call this a stupid post? A lot easier to just not reply since you think so highly of yourself, bub.

[LeGOATski]

Laporta looks more like a Knox to me.

 

It's more a difference in system and QB.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't have an attitude. Just watch the teams play. Tell me how you think the 2 are any different from each other if the offenses were flipped? One really isn't any better than the other, the Lions simply use LaPorta the way he is supposed to be used. Period

See, you could have said that originally...

 

"One really isn't any better than the other, the Lions simply use LaPorta the way he is supposed to be used"

 

That way is sufficient without you being so darn cute with the snarky🌺. 😍😍

[klos63]

19 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Actually I think most had Laporta as the number 1 TE and he is playing like it. Beane wanted Aaron Hernandez. He wanted a flex TE and that is what Kincaid is.

LaPorta is obviously far better right now. But it's early. Kincaid still looks like he can be a star. 

Kincaid looks like a nice TE, if they start using him like a big play guy, then he'll be a star. 

I like Brady,  but I don't think he utilizes players to their best abilities yet,  but it's still early in his time as our OC.

 

[Buffalo03]

7 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Right. Of course. That empty hypothetical that can’t be debated. 
 

Beane wanted a WR but then had to scramble for Kincaid. It may be that the type of pass-catching TE that Kincaid can become will take longer to develop.

 

 

Kincaid was said by many to easily be the the best TE in this draft class. It took us half the season to start using him the way we should have and the last 2 weeks, Allen has barely thrown the ball and the Bills have a hard on for Dawson Knox. That is keeping Kincaid from being consistent every week. If LaPorta was in this offense with Dawson Know lingering, you mean to tell me he is better than Kincaid?

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

Why do you have to jump in and call this a stupid post? A lot easier to just not reply since you think so highly of yourself, bub.

Did I say I thought highly of myself? Why are you making assumptions?

[sven233]

I liked Kincaid going into the draft and I still like him more now.  We are not using him to his full potential yet.  He was a beast in college running seam routes and deep crossers.  Right now, we are using him more as an outlet than the weapon he can be.  Short dumps over the middle.  A few underneath routes.  But nothing really special. 

 

There is so much more there and I just hope that with a full off season that Brady can tap into his strengths and expand his role.  He's been pretty good as a rookie this season overall, but there is a whole other level to explore.

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, boyst said:

See, you could have said that originally...

 

"One really isn't any better than the other, the Lions simply use LaPorta the way he is supposed to be used"

 

That way is sufficient without you being so darn cute with the snarky🌺. 😍😍

I wasn't being sparky. Trust me, if I was I would tell you. I was simply saying that the players are no different from each other and it's the offenses they are in why one has more production than the other. If people are taking that as snarky, I don't know what to tell them

[Big Turk]

28 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said:

When not watching the Bills I watch most of the Lions games.

I am curious what people think… who is better?

If I remember correctly, Kincaid was the top rated tight end coming into the draft.

I wonder if Laporta is better suited to be a  tight end in the NFL..

 

LaPorta has been used in more ways. There is ZERO reason Kincaid couldn't be used the same way. The Bills just don't right now.

 

[ngbills]

Kincaid could use some muscle if he is going to be used more like Laporta. Kincaid is much more of big WR than a TE at this point. Depends what the plan is for him. Right now he reminds me of David Nelson. I have hopes they can unleash him at some point but they may require a change in coaching. 

[Buffalo03]

LaPorta is also the main man in Derroit. They allow him to run seam routes and actually use him the way he should be. How did Kincaid look when he was the main man when Knox was out? He looked exactly like he was on LaPorta's level. Now Knox is back and Kincaid is basically taking a back seat again. LaPorta is not necessarily better

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

LaPorta is also the main man in Derroit. They allow him to run seam routes and actually use him the way he should be. How did Kincaid look when he was the main man when Knox was out? He looked exactly like he was on LaPorta's level. Now Knox is back and Kincaid is basically taking a back seat again. LaPorta is not necessarily better

Laporta has averaged 10 yards per rec plus in like 10 games. Kincaid only 2. It’s more than Knox impacting it. It’s how we use him. 90% of his catches are short dump offs. 

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Laporta has averaged 10 yards per rec plus in like 10 games. Kincaid only 2. It’s more than Knox impacting it. It’s how we use him. 90% of his catches are short dump offs. 

It's a mix of Knox being part of this offense and the Bills only allowing him to run little 5 yard routes and do run after the catch. The Lions let LaPorta run the seams and throw him ball downfield. It's the offensive systems. It's not the players

[Goin Breakdown]

35 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said:

Not a stupid point, it was just a conversational question. 

Stupid post and yet talks about it. It's crazy that people can't talk to one another online without throwing insults. I do agree though that if each player was flipped team wise the numbers would reflect the teams use and not the players talent.   Buffalo doesn't easily trust players that are rooks or new to the team. (So it seems). Idk Kincaid also has been dropping passes a lot (along with everyone one this team). Ok I'll stop now or I won't ever stop lol. Go Bills. 

[Saint Douggie]

I don’t get why they just stop involving Kincaid once Knox is back. Dawson Knox is ass cheeks. Kincaid looked like kelce jr for 4 weeks while Knox was out 
 

Kincaid should be getting 5-10 targets per game

[Ya Digg?]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Kincaid could use some muscle if he is going to be used more like Laporta. Kincaid is much more of big WR than a TE at this point. Depends what the plan is for him. Right now he reminds me of David Nelson. I have hopes they can unleash him at some point but they may require a change in coaching. 

So then the question is why do they have him run the routes he does if he is a big receiver? Nothing down the seam, no comebacks, everything is an out route or he’s used as a safety valve 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Revisit this topic in three years.

[Buffalo03]

15 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Stupid post and yet talks about it. It's crazy that people can't talk to one another online without throwing insults. I do agree though that if each player was flipped team wise the numbers would reflect the teams use and not the players talent.   Buffalo doesn't easily trust players that are rooks or new to the team. (So it seems). Idk Kincaid also has been dropping passes a lot (along with everyone one this team). Ok I'll stop now or I won't ever stop lol. Go Bills. 

I didn't insult anyone

[ngbills]

23 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So then the question is why do they have him run the routes he does if he is a big receiver? Nothing down the seam, no comebacks, everything is an out route or he’s used as a safety valve 

That is the problem. I think he could be much more productive doing what you said. Maybe they are setting up the end and up for the biggest play of the year. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Kincaid was said by many to easily be the the best TE in this draft class. It took us half the season to start using him the way we should have and the last 2 weeks, Allen has barely thrown the ball and the Bills have a hard on for Dawson Knox. That is keeping Kincaid from being consistent every week. If LaPorta was in this offense with Dawson Know lingering, you mean to tell me he is better than Kincaid?

Did I say I thought highly of myself? Why are you making assumptions?

You sure are a spirited fella.

56 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I wasn't being sparky. Trust me, if I was I would tell you. I was simply saying that the players are no different from each other and it's the offenses they are in why one has more production than the other. If people are taking that as snarky, I don't know what to tell them

You're insulting for nothing. It's a waste of our time. 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, boyst said:

You sure are a spirited fella.

Merry Christmas. And that's a legit Merry Christmas. Not a snarky one

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Why do you have to jump in and call this a stupid post? A lot easier to just not reply since you think so highly of yourself, bub.

This is funny coming from someone who clearly thinks very highly of himself.  😂 

 

But yeah, no need for slinging an insult even if the OP is completely oblivious as to the context surrounding these two very promising rookie TEs.  

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

This is funny coming from someone who clearly thinks very highly of himself.  😂 

 

But yeah, no need for slinging an insult even if the OP is completely oblivious as to the context surrounding these two very promising rookie TEs.  

I don't think highly of myself. I know highly of myself. And for that I am not wrong.

 

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Kincaid is better at what he is asked to do. Target share is also unbalanced. LaPorta is the only TE on Detroit with targets. Kincaid is splitting with Knox. 

[BananaB]

Kincaid is stuck on a team where the HC values his vets way more his young players. He’s better than Knox but gotta split the targets. When Knox was down the TE productivity and consistency looked the best it has in years. Now he’s back and it’s back to being inconsistent. I like Knox and I understand they gave him a contract, but what worked best should be priority not keeping players happy. When Cook balled last week, Allen was pretty honest about if they could do that every week for the rest of the season he’d be happy. That’s the way it should be with every position, guy that produces plays. Last year when McKenzie sucked balls at the slot position they kept him in there all season despite Shakir showing flashes. It’s just the way this team goes, part of the reason why the O struggles at times

[The 9 Isles]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

I'll settle this real quickly. Take LaPorta out of the Lions offense and put him in the Bills offense and take Kincaid and put him in the Lions offense, production is flipped. There, now go back to not making stupid posts. It's not Kincaid, it's how they are used

Why are you so angry? He was just asking a question. Jeesh. 

[Buffalo03]

Just now, The 9 Isles said:

Why are you so angry? He was just asking a question. Jeesh. 

I'm not angry. Merry Christmas 

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

There's no question to be had. If you honestly think LaPorta looks just as good in our offense as he does in Detroit, I hate to break it to you, it would make no difference. Kincaid would be the better TE if he was in Detroit 

Good grief man…why are you taking this so personally?

[Buffalo03]

7 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Good grief man…why are you taking this so personally?

Ok. I've already told people. Everything is fine. Merry Christmas 

[Southern_Bills]

Kincaid is more of a route runner, LaPorta seems more physical. I suspect Beane knew this when he picked, so he felt Kincaid better fit what we wanted to do. We shall see I suppose.

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Actually I think most had Laporta as the number 1 TE and he is playing like it. Beane wanted Aaron Hernandez. He wanted a flex TE and that is what Kincaid is.

LaPorta is obviously far better right now. But it's early. Kincaid still looks like he can be a star. 

I don't know many pundits or scouts that had Laporta as number one.. maybe one guy

 

Multiple scouts and pundits had Dalton a top 15-20 prospect in the draft.. I don't think anybody had Sam in the top 20