CSBill Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, stevestojan said: Hate to say it, but so far he’s been a liability. He makes zero attempt to move laterally (understandable given the injury). He pushes straight forward, often times multiple yards past the QB. It’s like there’s 10 guys out there when he is playing. I respect his history of greatness, and I understand letting him gain confidence while he fully recovers, but this is crunch time. And if he can’t contribute, he shouldn’t be out there. Totally agree, right now he is a liability. He can’t move side-to-side, he’s lost his quickness, and he has never been the strongest defender on the field, so how is he contributing? Answer: None to little. As he is now, he is a liability. Yeah, it’s 11 versus 10 when he is on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 5 hours ago, That's No Moon said: I wonder if he'd feel less hesitant rushing from the other side. As it is right now he's got no bend at all. Just ride him way way way outside. It's so bad that if you ran a delayed blitz to that side it might actually work because the OT is halfway to the bleachers pretty quickly. The ket word is bending, speed rushers need to bend around tackles and maybe he would be betters coming off the right side 4 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said: 5% improvement each week. He should be 100% by week 7 next year. Bills would take that because cutting next season is a 32 million dead cap hit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 10 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: There might be something real about this, I heard Sal (?) say on a Philly (?) podcast that Von was to wear that knee brace for a full year post surgery. It may be coming off soon. He may be more brave without the brace.😉 Well a man his size and strength I'm sure the brace he used was solidly sturdy to impede his flexibility and his game was always based more around his flexibility than anything else imho. So the brace being removed may be a noticeable difference in plays. We shall soon see if this might be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 21 minutes ago, CSBill said: Totally agree, right now he is a liability. He can’t move side-to-side, he’s lost his quickness, and he has never been the strongest defender on the field, so how is he contributing? Answer: None to little. As he is now, he is a liability. Yeah, it’s 11 versus 10 when he is on the field. Beane would have been better off trading for Smith from the Bear, I think it only cost them a 3rd rounder and his contract is very reasonable. He is years younger and totally transformed the Ravens defence. Miller at his advanced age was always a risk even before his injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 It's not going to happen -- ever. It's over for Miller. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It's not going to happen -- ever. It's over for Miller. This is my opinion as well. Will gladly eat crow if Von ever does anything again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Worst part as this all unfolds is listening to the clueless announcers and color guys: ”oh and watch out here comes #40 into the game” **von crutches onto the field** 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It's not going to happen -- ever. It's over for Miller. Correct! As will it be for Aaron Rogers! NO chance either will be a ghost of their former selves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Love for that to be the case but I don't think he is there yet. Right now they should be giving more snaps to Epenesa, Rousseau, Floyd and Shaq and sprinkle in some plays with Vonn. Epenesa deserves the snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 FYI, Von has 142 snaps in 7 weeks… 20 per week. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2023-snap-counts.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I'd scratch him until he's ready to go. It is what it is. He can't play with that crazy brace on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 14 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: There might be something real about this, I heard Sal (?) say on a Philly (?) podcast that Von was to wear that knee brace for a full year post surgery. It may be coming off soon. He may be more brave without the brace.😉 It may also take time for him to adjust without it and trust it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Correct! As will it be for Aaron Rogers! NO chance either will be a ghost of their former selves! If you give Rodgers a line, he can be a pocket passer for a year. Miller is done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I dont expect him to actually even try to bend a corner until the playoffs. For whatever that means to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 41 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I dont expect him to actually even try to bend a corner until the playoffs. For whatever that means to anyone. <Insert Jim Mora GIF here.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/25/2023 at 1:44 AM, John from Riverside said: They have been carefully bringing him along on a snap count the weeks now we need for our pass rush to the elite in order to beat the Eagles Come on von Von is sleep walking out there. Not a chance he produces today, or, maybe even this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWei44 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Only hope is taking the brace off. Otherwise, I am not very optimistic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 16 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: It's not going to happen -- ever. It's over for Miller. He was a tremendously risky signing to begin with. He'd have had to have been great for 3 seasons in order for it to have worked out. The risk side has played out. But let's not forget why we took that risk, because Beane hadn't been able to find an effective edge-rusher in four drafts prior to that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) I lost all cutting ability when I tore my acl. Not sure if it was all in my head, but I went from running around people to running directly into them. We’re talking about sandlot stuff. I’m not comparing myself to Von in any way, shape, or form. But he appears to go directly at the lineman now. He was able to get away with that when he had the bends as well, because the lineman didn’t know what he was bringing. But if they know he’s going directly at them, with no threat of his other tools, i couldn’t see it being very difficult for these huge dudes to slow him down. He was never the biggest guy, and his game was never all power. Edited November 26, 2023 by Bobby Hooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Von is done imo. Getting old, coming off a knee injury. He looks slow and I don't think he will ever return to his form from 2 years ago. I want to see more Epenesa and Groot. Young and hungry with something to prove. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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