BRH Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chaos said: Tua Tagovailoa: 404 touches 14 turnovers (3.47%) Josh Allen: 435 touches 15 turnovers (3.45%) One is an MVP Candidate, the other is a turnover machine. Make it make sense. Tua's turnovers are mainly the result of his own limitations, which opponents exploit. Josh does not have those limitations, so his turnovers are the result of him not playing to his full potential (whether that's his fault or his coaches' fault) and not something the opponent is doing to him. Hence, Tua is fulfilling more of his potential than Josh is, and so he "looks" like he's playing better than Josh, even though Josh at 80% efficiency is still better than Tua at 100% efficiency. And that's why he's getting more MVP talk. Well, that and the fact his team has more wins. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: His expression reminds me of the cop at the end of The Usual Suspects when he realizes he's been duped. Turns out Wilson was Keyzer Soze after all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 This game was disgusting for NYJ. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a QB play so poorly. To be fair Douglas and Saleh put all of their eggs in the Rodgers basket which dictated a lot of really bad choices that screwed them over - namely Hackett, Lazard, Cobb, Boyle and Cook. Sadly, they are stuck with several of these people next season. I get that Zach Wilson has been a disappointment but they probably fare better with him or Simian as QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, BRH said: Tua's turnovers are mainly the result of his own limitations, which opponents exploit. Josh does not have those limitations, so his turnovers are the result of him not playing to his full potential (whether that's his fault or his coaches' fault) and not something the opponent is doing to him. Hence, Tua is fulfilling more of his potential than Josh is, and so he "looks" like he's playing better than Josh, even though Josh at 80% efficiency is still better than Tua at 100% efficiency. And that's why he's getting more MVP talk. Well, that and the fact his team has more wins. Wrong. Josh is held to a higher standard because the talking heads had a pre draft notion about him and want be right. Ie. ‘I told you so’ 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 56 minutes ago, JohnNord said: This game was disgusting for NYJ. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a QB play so poorly. Did you miss our game last week? Both QBs for the Jets last week, individually or combined, were notably worse than Boyle was today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strethor Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Tim Boyle threw 40 times, Breece Hall ran 7 times Saleh is losing the locker room week by week. The sad thing a lot of it is Joe Douglas's doing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Strethor said: Tim Boyle threw 40 times, Breece Hall ran 7 times Saleh is losing the locker room week by week. The sad thing a lot of it is Joe Douglas's doing Perhaps because the Dolphins were loading the box all game and daring the Jets to try to pass? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 2 hours ago, BRH said: Tua's turnovers are mainly the result of his own limitations, which opponents exploit. Josh does not have those limitations, so his turnovers are the result of him not playing to his full potential (whether that's his fault or his coaches' fault) and not something the opponent is doing to him. Hence, Tua is fulfilling more of his potential than Josh is, and so he "looks" like he's playing better than Josh, even though Josh at 80% efficiency is still better than Tua at 100% efficiency. And that's why he's getting more MVP talk. Well, that and the fact his team has more wins. It’s all narrative driven. Hard to get people to move off their spot. Teams were “Tanking for Tua” the year he came out and the year Josh Allen came out he was considered “a parody of a QB prospect” 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Looks like the Dolphins have lost Phillips for the year (and some of next year?) with an Achilles injury. It's a blow for the rest of their season because he was playing very well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 55 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Looks like the Dolphins have lost Phillips for the year (and some of next year?) with an Achilles injury. It's a blow for the rest of their season because he was playing very well. That sucks for the Phins but injuries are injuries. We've had our fair share this season too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Roundybout said: Saleh is a dead man walking. He's got the 1000-yard stare. So does Rodgers promote Hackett to Head Coach? 😛 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 6 hours ago, stevewin said: So does Rodgers promote Hackett to Head Coach? 😛 Remember the press conference in Denver announcing the Russ Wilson signing, and Hackett's dumbstruck reaction? Fast forward a couple of years... "Holy s***! Head coach of the Jests!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 13 hours ago, BRH said: Tua's turnovers are mainly the result of his own limitations, which opponents exploit. Josh does not have those limitations, so his turnovers are the result of him not playing to his full potential (whether that's his fault or his coaches' fault) and not something the opponent is doing to him. Hence, Tua is fulfilling more of his potential than Josh is, and so he "looks" like he's playing better than Josh, even though Josh at 80% efficiency is still better than Tua at 100% efficiency. And that's why he's getting more MVP talk. Well, that and the fact his team has more wins. Wow, now this is both a weird and original take on Allen's TO's. I don't buy it though. IMO most of Allen's TO's result from two broad things: 1) Allen can be reckless with the ball and he pushes the limits in pursuit of the big play. 2) Allen's supporting cast, from a problematic O line allowing immediate pressure situations to pass catchers that struggle winning 50/50 balls and/or let passes slip through their hands into those of the opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I give credit to Miami for one thing. They are 8-0 in games they are *supposed* to win. A lot better than Buffalo. They still have three more of those types of games and I refuse to believe they will go 11-0 in them. Every team loses some unexpected quirky type games against lesser opponents. So Miami is DUE! That is my belief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: I give credit to Miami for one thing. They are 8-0 in games they are *supposed* to win. A lot better than Buffalo. They still have three more of those types of games and I refuse to believe they will go 11-0 in them. Every team loses some unexpected quirky type games against lesser opponents. So Miami is DUE! That is my belief. Most teams also win games they aren't supposed to as well. I can see them beating the Ravens. It evens out in the end. I don't think the Bills win the division at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Funny - I caught a random Sopranos episode today and was reminded on Hard Knocks how they did the Sopranos opening with Jets theme one time - blasphemous at best, cringe at worst. Just another reason to F them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Go figure, dead man walking, Saleh, has taken it upon himself to criticize one of the best players on the team...publicly. Great way to lose the rest of the locker room Bob. What a terrible coach he turned out to be. Hope he gets another year to "run it back" with Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 All these Jets coaches come in with high hopes and lauded credentials. All the rest of the AFC-East holds their breath, wondering if this is the Jets' year. After a couple of seasons, we're all saying "Yep! Another dud!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 7:55 PM, JohnNord said: This game was disgusting for NYJ. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a QB play so poorly. To be fair Douglas and Saleh put all of their eggs in the Rodgers basket which dictated a lot of really bad choices that screwed them over - namely Hackett, Lazard, Cobb, Boyle and Cook. Sadly, they are stuck with several of these people next season. I get that Zach Wilson has been a disappointment but they probably fare better with him or Simian as QB. In a vaccum, yes, but therumors around the team is basically they were about to have the players revolt if they put Zach on the field again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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