Herb Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Untimely overpursuit with respect to run defense and qb pressures, piss poor or inconsistent blocking from the offensive line, terrible clock management and situational playcalling, and a qb who unfortunately gets too emotional and makes poor decisions at the worst possible times. 2 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 Over the past two seasons, I've never felt good about this team being up 10+ points at the half. Seems like they always underperform to start the second half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Nah, we upgraded our line with that backup player from Dallas, and....got another backup player that may be better than our ***** starter! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 RELAX….  The Bills are 0-1, not 0-17. Rodgers is out, and Tua is Tua. Mac Jones is Mac Jones. Josh Allen is T.O. 2.0.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Â 3 6 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 The same overall mistakes with slightly different players acquired season after season across the team unfortunately points in one direction. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Second verse, same as the first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Herb said: Untimely overpursuit with respect to run defense and qb pressures, piss poor or inconsistent blocking from the offensive line, terrible clock management and situational playcalling, and a qb who unfortunately gets too emotional and makes poor decisions at the worst possible times. I see lack of pursuit/aggressiveness not lack of pursuit. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 This is not a well run organization, bottom line.  When McDermott and Beane got here, everything was in the gutter.  They were able to build the Philip Rivers Chargers and the 20 year drought made them heros for it.  But teams like Kansas City and the Eagles are operating on a different level entirely. 1 2 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: This is not a well run organization, bottom line.  When McDermott and Beane got here, everything was in the gutter.  They were able to build the Philip Rivers Chargers and the 20 year drought made them heros for it.  But teams like Kansas City and the Eagles are operating on a different level entirely. Eagles = best GM Chiefs = best coach Bills = we are a small market so that's pretty good for us! (Loser mentality) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Herb said: Untimely overpursuit with respect to run defense and qb pressures, piss poor or inconsistent blocking from the offensive line, terrible clock management and situational playcalling, and a qb who unfortunately gets too emotional and makes poor decisions at the worst possible times. D’ya feel better now that you got that off your chest? 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyebeem99 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Decade after decade, year after year....same issues and same results. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I’m reminded of last year vs the Vikings. Especially OT when Josh forced a ball into the end zone with timeouts, time on the clock and good field position on an early down. Interception, game over.  why doesn’t he have situational awareness? Why can’t he learn his lesson after six years? I’ll take boring and consistent over hero ball when we don’t need it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Herb said: Untimely overpursuit with respect to run defense and qb pressures, piss poor or inconsistent blocking from the offensive line, terrible clock management and situational playcalling, and a qb who unfortunately gets too emotional and makes poor decisions at the worst possible times. You can see Allen was lost & broken after that 3rd interception. Â The team needs to use Harris more over Cook who is not an everyone down back 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: This is not a well run organization, bottom line.  When McDermott and Beane got here, everything was in the gutter.  They were able to build the Philip Rivers Chargers and the 20 year drought made them heros for it.  But teams like Kansas City and the Eagles are operating on a different level entirely. I have been saying for awhile my biggest fear is the ceiling on this team might be the Rivers era Chargers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Herb said: Untimely overpursuit with respect to run defense and qb pressures, piss poor or inconsistent blocking from the offensive line, terrible clock management and situational playcalling, and a qb who unfortunately gets too emotional and makes poor decisions at the worst possible times. The o-line was fine. Allen makes the o-line look awful  https://x.com/sharpfootball/status/1701440484051222921?s=46&t=aPpesQ9OFgU8cA3wnTdNeA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. He is definitely not winning the down pre-snap.  He is continuing to try to figure things out on the fly post-snap which doesn’t work against savvy defenses.  He’s immature and unprofessional.  Sorry to say it but it’s true. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: I’m reminded of last year vs the Vikings. Especially OT when Josh forced a ball into the end zone with timeouts, time on the clock and good field position on an early down. Interception, game over.  why doesn’t he have situational awareness? Why can’t he learn his lesson after six years? I’ll take boring and consistent over hero ball when we don’t need it. A good...well, perfect...throw in that Vikings game would have yielded a TD, but the throw was BEHIND the WR and a little low. Was it overconfidence or just a bad elbow that prevented it from being a perfect throw? Or both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: A good...well, perfect...throw in that Vikings game would have yielded a TD, but the throw was BEHIND the WR and a little low. Was it overconfidence or just a bad elbow that prevented it from being a perfect throw? Or both. The point is we had more than enough time and timeouts and downs to work the ball methodically down the field to get into scoring position. Hell, we were already in FG range to tie it. He takes dumb chances sometimes. And when they don’t work, it costs the team gravely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He is definitely not winning the down pre-snap.  He is continuing to try to figure things out on the fly post-snap which doesn’t work against savvy defenses.  He’s immature and unprofessional.  Sorry to say it but it’s true. I agree with you.   I am not sure the guy has the desire to be great outside of continuing to tell people he does.   The immaturity was on full display during his press conference last night.  Hits the press with an S bomb right away, because if you swear you must be really passionate.  If you're really passionate, you don't have to have multiple press conferences where you say you play like crap because you take the necessary steps not to.  Josh isn't going to like it but his off-season is going to be more under the microscope than ever.  Guy needs to decide if he is an NFL football player or the next golf pro at Oak Hill.    1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I guess I watched a different game  that jets d line is stacked and we played a hell of a game against them  Allen lost it with no reason being other than he got him his own way again  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Herb said: Untimely overpursuit with respect to run defense and qb pressures, piss poor or inconsistent blocking from the offensive line, terrible clock management and situational playcalling, and a qb who unfortunately gets too emotional and makes poor decisions at the worst possible times.   Maybe. Right now it's not year-to-year, it's year to game.  So far. We'll see.   4 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: This is not a well run organization, bottom line.  When McDermott and Beane got here, everything was in the gutter.  They were able to build the Philip Rivers Chargers and the 20 year drought made them heros for it.  But teams like Kansas City and the Eagles are operating on a different level entirely.   This is utter nonsense, it really is.  The Bills are an extremely well run organization.  They have more to prove, but to say they're not well run is just dumb.    Edited September 12, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Drew21PA said: I guess I watched a different game  that jets d line is stacked and we played a hell of a game against them  Allen lost it with no reason being other than he got him his own way again   Yes. I can understand people have problems with the coaching but this game was about Josh and his own ineptitude of understanding critical moments. Why is he jumping over 2 defenders 6 yards from the 1st down marker. Cause he is dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I agree with you.   I am not sure the guy has the desire to be great outside of continuing to tell people he does.   The immaturity was on full display during his press conference last night.  Hits the press with an S bomb right away, because if you swear you must be really passionate.  If you're really passionate, you don't have to have multiple press conferences where you say you play like crap because you take the necessary steps not to.  Josh isn't going to like it but his off-season is going to be more under the microscope than ever.  Guy needs to decide if he is an NFL football player or the next golf pro at Oak Hill.     I don't think Josh dropped the s bomb because it was a way of getting the press off his back. It was his frustration coming out. My greater concern is he cannot see a way out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 7 hours ago, chongli said:   Quote The Bills only needed to play smart while making sure the hapless Jets’ offense was forced to drive the length of the field. Instead, New York was given short fields repeatedly in the fourth quarter, highlighted by a fumble tied at 13, which gave the Jets the ball only 27 yards from the end zone.  This about sums it up.  The Bills just don't play like a confident, elite team that knows it's going to dominate inferior competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: D’ya feel better now that you got that off your chest? 🙄 I think it's safe to say many fans are very pissed off right now,  the Bills were terrible in the second half.  If you want to run 2 TE sets then get a starting level RB,  if not go get a legit #2 WR.  Gabe Davis is not the answer With all the bad,  I thought Greg Rousseau/Milano/Diggs had solid games.  Everyone else was average to bad  Edited September 12, 2023 by Niagara Dude 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 The whole offense is awful. There's a major disconnect between play calling (Ken Dorsey) and player execution (Josh Allen). At this point, I'm also done with the Spencer Brown project. He is absolutely awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, Santana said: The whole offense is awful. There's a major disconnect between play calling (Ken Dorsey) and player execution (Josh Allen). At this point, I'm also done with the Spencer Brown project. He is absolutely awful. I think Allen will be fine,  I just think if the Bills intend on running 2 TE sets then Beane should consider getting Taylor.  Cook is not the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I would agree with Josh that he lost the game for the Bills with his poor decisions. However, that being said, I don't think we will face a better defense than the Jets. You have to give Joe Douglas credit, he's built a defensive roster that might be the best in the league. I'm sure I'll get some arguments from 49ers fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Something to consider, Â the Jets signed 26 Jordan Whitehead who has 3 picks last night to a contract that after reworking has a cap hit as almost the same as 32 year Poyer's. Â This is my biggest complaint, Â Beane keeps sticking money into older guys and were not restocking the shelves with younger players. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Reality about Josh that is not talked about. He played at a really small high school. Then JUCO. Then Wyoming. He never had high quality coaching. Daboll seemed to help him a lot and then he moved on to Dorsey... 43 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Something to consider,  the Jets signed 26 Jordan Whitehead who has 3 picks last night to a contract that after reworking has a cap hit as almost the same as 32 year Poyer's.  This is my biggest complaint,  Beane keeps sticking money into older guys and were not restocking the shelves with younger players.  He likes the familiar. We see it over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Where were Harty and Sherfield last night? And I can not imagine we drafted Kincaid just to run 5 yard outs. (He was wide open in the flat on Josh's 3rd int, and easily would have had the 1st down and then some) At Utah Kincaid was always running down the field. We already have our dump off guy in Knox. Need to be running Kincaid down the seam all game. That is where he will create mismatches.   It really doesn't matter what offense you run. You just need to run your offense very well to be a very good to great team in today's NFL. The Bills are not doing that right now. Our stud QB has regressed. The O line is not nearly good enough from tackle to tackle. And the coaching is suspect at best. What happened to yards after the catch? Noone is open in space on our team. At least Beasley a few years ago was always able to dive or juke forward for 5-10 extra yards. There was almost none of that last night, or against Cincinnati last year.  Against good teams you have to change things up a bit. And the Bills look very stagnant on offense. 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Where were Harty and Sherfield last night? And I can not imagine we drafted Kincaid just to run 5 yard outs. (He was wide open in the flat on Josh's 3rd int, and easily would have had the 1st down and then some) At Utah Kincaid was always running down the field. We already have our dump off guy in Knox. Need to be running Kincaid down the seam all game. That is where he will create mismatches.   It really doesn't matter what offense you run. You just need to run your offense very well to be a very good to great team in today's NFL. The Bills are not doing that right now. Our stud QB has regressed. The O line is not nearly good enough from tackle to tackle. And the coaching is suspect at best. What happened to yards after the catch? Noone is open in space on our team. At least Beasley a few years ago was always able to dive or juke forward for 5-10 extra yards. There was almost none of that last night, or against Cincinnati last year.  Against good teams you have to change things up a bit. And the Bills look very stagnant on offense. 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Where were Harty and Sherfield last night? And I can not imagine we drafted Kincaid just to run 5 yard outs. (He was wide open in the flat on Josh's 3rd int, and easily would have had the 1st down and then some) At Utah Kincaid was always running down the field. We already have our dump off guy in Knox. Need to be running Kincaid down the seam all game. That is where he will create mismatches.   It really doesn't matter what offense you run. You just need to run your offense very well to be a very good to great team in today's NFL. The Bills are not doing that right now. Our stud QB has regressed. The O line is not nearly good enough from tackle to tackle. And the coaching is suspect at best. What happened to yards after the catch? Noone is open in space on our team. At least Beasley a few years ago was always able to dive or juke forward for 5-10 extra yards. There was almost none of that last night, or against Cincinnati last year.  Against good teams you have to change things up a bit. And the Bills look very stagnant on offense. 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Where were Harty and Sherfield last night? And I can not imagine we drafted Kincaid just to run 5 yard outs. (He was wide open in the flat on Josh's 3rd int, and easily would have had the 1st down and then some) At Utah Kincaid was always running down the field. We already have our dump off guy in Knox. Need to be running Kincaid down the seam all game. That is where he will create mismatches.   It really doesn't matter what offense you run. You just need to run your offense very well to be a very good to great team in today's NFL. The Bills are not doing that right now. Our stud QB has regressed. The O line is not nearly good enough from tackle to tackle. And the coaching is suspect at best. What happened to yards after the catch? Noone is open in space on our team. At least Beasley a few years ago was always able to dive or juke forward for 5-10 extra yards. There was almost none of that last night, or against Cincinnati last year.  Against good teams you have to change things up a bit. And the Bills look very stagnant on offense. 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Where were Harty and Sherfield last night? And I can not imagine we drafted Kincaid just to run 5 yard outs. (He was wide open in the flat on Josh's 3rd int, and easily would have had the 1st down and then some) At Utah Kincaid was always running down the field. We already have our dump off guy in Knox. Need to be running Kincaid down the seam all game. That is where he will create mismatches.   It really doesn't matter what offense you run. You just need to run your offense very well to be a very good to great team in today's NFL. The Bills are not doing that right now. Our stud QB has regressed. The O line is not nearly good enough from tackle to tackle. And the coaching is suspect at best. What happened to yards after the catch? Noone is open in space on our team. At least Beasley a few years ago was always able to dive or juke forward for 5-10 extra yards. There was almost none of that last night, or against Cincinnati last year.  Against good teams you have to change things up a bit. And the Bills look very stagnant on offense. 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: What worries me the most is Josh just looks to be guessing.  The heady side of football that good QBs need to be great just isn't there right now.  Bills are playing with fire by going to 12 personnel and taking speed off the field when the thing that wins consistently in the NFL is speed.  Its what the Dolphins have and why Tua is throwing to wide open guys rather than having to see if a 5 yard out comes open. Where were Harty and Sherfield last night? And I can not imagine we drafted Kincaid just to run 5 yard outs. (He was wide open in the flat on Josh's 3rd int, and easily would have had the 1st down and then some) At Utah Kincaid was always running down the field. We already have our dump off guy in Knox. Need to be running Kincaid down the seam all game. That is where he will create mismatches.   It really doesn't matter what offense you run. You just need to run your offense very well to be a very good to great team in today's NFL. The Bills are not doing that right now. Our stud QB has regressed. The O line is not nearly good enough from tackle to tackle. And the coaching is suspect at best. What happened to yards after the catch? Noone is open in space on our team. At least Beasley a few years ago was always able to dive or juke forward for 5-10 extra yards. There was almost none of that last night, or against Cincinnati last year.  Against good teams you have to change things up a bit. And the Bills look very stagnant on offense. 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