Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 No. He’s got like a $9 million cap hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) He's going to end up released. No one's going to take on that contract. Especially at this point. Give him a call when that happens and see if he'll take the gig. Kyle Allen and Matt Barkley are an albatross. At least Lance has a cannon and great mobility like Josh and you don't have to alter the playbook as much. But I have to assume he ends up somewhere like Atlanta or Washington that has a questionable starter. Edited August 25, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Trey Lance would be fine if we gave up a 7th rounder and were able to pay league minimum. If Shanahan can't get anything out of him I doubt anyone is making him great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would if I could but it would be contingent on a 2 year extension (acceptable base with lots of upside). Worst case scenario you have a solid backup for a few years. If he plays and succeeds, you have an elite trade chip. I think that it raises the floor on this team (he is better than Kyle Allen and Barkley). It potentially raises the ceiling if he shows out and they trade him. There is no way that adding Tre Lance improves the ceiling of this team. The ceiling of this team requires a healthy Josh Allen, in which case Tre wouldn’t play. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 If Allen goes down, the season is lost anyway. What's the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Watkins101 said: There is no way that adding Tre Lance improves the ceiling of this team. The ceiling of this team requires a healthy Josh Allen, in which case Tre wouldn’t play. Well of course!! Lol, who said that it raises the ceiling? Your ceiling is the Super Bowl. It raises the floor!! If Josh were to miss a month, “could you go 2-2?” That is what you are trying to get to. I believe that it is more likely with Lance than Allen/Barkley. You also get the bonus, if he looks good in those games, of one of the best trade chips in football. 5 hours ago, Artful Dodger said: If Allen goes down, the season is lost anyway. What's the point? It isn’t about a season!!!! Every team is done if their QB misses the year. It is about if your QB misses a week or month. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I'm not sure I would for Buffalo but there are teams for whom I absolutely would. I just think the thing with Lance is he hasn't played enough football. He hasn't seen enough football from right there in the crossfire. He started 17 games in college and 4 in the pros. The talent level is still there but he doesn't have any of the nous or nuance you need because he has had no chance to learn it. If I was a team who expect to suck this year - Washington or Atlanta maybe - I'd trade for Lance. And I'd commit myself to no matter what starting him for 17 games (as long as he is healthy). I don't think signing him to backup and sit and not play football again is the answer for him or give you a good shot of him playing at the level required if he gets out there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Watkins101 said: There is no way that adding Tre Lance improves the ceiling of this team. The ceiling of this team requires a healthy Josh Allen, in which case Tre wouldn’t play. Acquiring a backup OLer better than any of the backups currently on the roster would raise the ceiling of this team significantly more than acquiring a QB without NFL experience as a backup QB. 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Well of course!! Lol, who said that it raises the ceiling? Your ceiling is the Super Bowl. It raises the floor!! If Josh were to miss a month, “could you go 2-2?” That is what you are trying to get to. I believe that it is more likely with Lance than Allen/Barkley. You also get the bonus, if he looks good in those games, of one of the best trade chips in football. It isn’t about a season!!!! Every team is done if their QB misses the year. It is about if your QB misses a week or month. Other than being the #3 draft pick a couple of years ago, what about Lance makes you think that he can be more effective coming in for Josh Allen than Barkley or even Kyle Allen? Lance hasn't played enough in the NFL for anybody outside of the 49ers organization to have real insight into his potential as an NFL QB -- and SF's actions suggest they don't think he has much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 16 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: well, we need a real QB2 from somewhere because we have a couple QB3's on the roster right now Bringing in Lance would just make a thruple of #3s on the roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I just dont understand how last year he was good enough to start. He got hurt 2nd Q of game 2, game 1 was an absolute monsoon if im remembering right. so he hasnt really played, no matter how u slice it major, major scouting problems. No way he should be behind darnold. u cant give up what they gave up for him and not find a way to get him in the game. develop him in practice, hell, create an interesting run option package to get him on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoTier said: Acquiring a backup OLer better than any of the backups currently on the roster would raise the ceiling of this team significantly more than acquiring a QB without NFL experience as a backup QB. Other than being the #3 draft pick a couple of years ago, what about Lance makes you think that he can be more effective coming in for Josh Allen than Barkley or even Kyle Allen? Lance hasn't played enough in the NFL for anybody outside of the 49ers organization to have real insight into his potential as an NFL QB -- and SF's actions suggest they don't think he has much. I’ve seen enough of Kyle Allen and Matt Barkley to not believe that they are more than scrubs. Lance has elite tools and basically no experience. I KNOW that they can’t play. If we had Keenum or Trubisky still, I wouldn’t care for Lance. I’d buy the lottery ticket because I believe that if Kyle Allen, Matt Barkley and Trey Lance each started that Lance would have the best results. The bar is VERY low IMO with the current guys. It’s as bad of a backup situation as there is in the league. Edited August 25, 2023 by Kirby Jackson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: No. He’s got like a $9 million cap hit. A lot of that is signing bonus though. I highlighted the things an acquiring team *might* be on the hook for. For 2023 you def pay the base salary as thats game checks (number on the left). The 2.8M is a roster bonus for camp so i assume thats paid out already by SF. So you would be getting him my GUESS is for 2yr at like 6.2M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 No, I feel like the potential of one of those picks being a great player is higher than Lance's potential to be a great player. Shanahan's system is one of the easiest to play QB in. He makes guys like Nick Mullens look like all pros. Considering this, it's pretty amazing Lance has fallen so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: I just dont understand how last year he was good enough to start. He got hurt 2nd Q of game 2, game 1 was an absolute monsoon if im remembering right. so he hasnt really played, no matter how u slice it major, major scouting problems. No way he should be behind darnold. u cant give up what they gave up for him and not find a way to get him in the game. develop him in practice, hell, create an interesting run option package to get him on the field The first game was an absolute mess. Looking at the numbers too... 3 drops on 28 pass attempts. 2 by deebo, who also lost a fumble in the red zone. Not as if his guys did him a ton of favors in that one. Lance had 13 carries on the game, and only 4 are recorded as scrambles so its pretty clear they were trying to just run the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 15 hours ago, BillsNutHawaii said: - Personally, I'm a big believer in "cultural fit" similar to what our GM did to identify Josh Allen as a great fit for Buffalo. I just knew Sam Darnold wouldn't work with the NY Jets, and he seems to be much better off in SF. Perhaps the same thing could be said about Trey Lance. From a quick wikipedia read, it says Trey is from a small town in Minnesota and of course college in North Dakota - from the outside looking in, he seems like a small town type of guy, from a region maybe even colder than Western NY - would he be a better fit in Buffalo - vice SF? Thoughts? Better fit un Green Bay although I hope my 2nd team does not pick him up except as PS player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) I'd rather go after Case Keenam, think he could be had as is #3 on the Texans. Maybe could have the distinction of twice being traded for a 7th round pick. He'd hit the ground running at least in knowledge of the playbook. Edited August 25, 2023 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ve seen enough of Kyle Allen and Matt Barkley to not believe that they are more than scrubs. Lance has elite tools and basically no experience. I KNOW that they can’t play. If we had Keenum or Trubisky still, I wouldn’t care for Lance. I’d buy the lottery ticket because I believe that if Kyle Allen, Matt Barkley and Trey Lance each started that Lance would have the best results. The bar is VERY low IMO with the current guys. It’s as bad of a backup situation as there is in the league. Trey Lance wishes he had Matt Barkley’s 2018 Jets game under his belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I wouldn’t do it, Lance’s cap hit is fairly high for a backup Qb, I don’t know how his cap hit would change if traded (but the Bills can’t afford a project backup QB with a large cap hit) so unless the Niners are willing to eat most of his cap the trade just doesn’t make sense for the Bills. 23 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'd rather go after Case Keenam, think he could be had as is #3 on the Texans. Maybe could have the distinction of twice being traded for a 7th round pick. He'd hit the ground running at least in knowledge of the playbook. At that point I would rather go with Kyle Allen, It’s not like Keenam did all that much while here anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Absolutely not with that contract. I'm still pulling for Baker or Darnold to be Josh's long term backup after this season 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I wouldn’t do it, Lance’s cap hit is fairly high for a backup Qb, I don’t know how his cap hit would change if traded (but the Bills can’t afford a project backup QB with a large cap hit) so unless the Niners are willing to eat most of his cap the trade just doesn’t make sense for the Bills. At that point I would rather go with Kyle Allen, It’s not like Keenam did all that much while here anyway Agree, but seems like the area K Allen is struggling the most with is understanding the playbook from what has been published. Think Kennan may be ahead there?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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