Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 As far as I know these people have about 48 hours left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 What an awful way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, Irv said: What an awful way to go. depending what happened it could be very quick and painless, as ways go. or much worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Irv said: What an awful way to go. If it was a catastrophic hull failure it was quick. Rather that then being stuck sitting on the bottom waiting for your oxygen to run out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 From what I understand about the sub, it had no redundancy in operations - there was no plan B for power or communication. It had crude design - controlled by a PlayStation controller and navigated by text message. Dangerously naive. It all sounds like a very bad idea. There are fishing boats that hit the lake with more robust design. If they happen to survive, there's no way they should be permitted to do it again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, dpberr said: From what I understand about the sub, it had no redundancy in operations - there was no plan B for power or communication. It had crude design - controlled by a PlayStation controller and navigated by text message. Dangerously naive. It all sounds like a very bad idea. There are fishing boats that hit the lake with more robust design. If they happen to survive, there's no way they should be permitted to do it again. I've been watching a lot of video on this story and I think you're wrong about that. in fact, it has like 4 or 5 redundancy built into it for certain functions, particularly air supply. Maybe in other parameters it doesn't have back ups though. There is only 1 of these in the world, and it has proven to be very cantankerous. They have been trying to get customers down to the Titanic all year and I think I read that they only got there once or maybe not at all. Apparently the weather in that part of the N. Atlantic has been as bad as it's been in 40 years with climate change and what not. I'd be shocked if these people survive, but stranger things have happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Full story: https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/ap-top-news/2023/06/19/a-search-is-underway-for-missing-submersible-that-takes-people-to-see-titanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Quote David Concannon, an adviser to OceanGate, said the submersible had a 96-hour oxygen supply starting at roughly 6 a.m. Sunday. That is 4 days of air. Out of air at 6 am on Thursday but there are things they can do to extend amount of time. Quote OceanGate’s expeditions to the Titanic wreck site include archaeologists and marine biologists. The company also brings people who pay to come along, known as “mission specialists.” They take turns operating sonar equipment and performing other tasks in the five-person submersible. The Coast Guard said Monday that there was one pilot and four “mission specialists” aboard. Quote U.K. businessman Hamish Harding was one of the mission specialists, according to Action Aviation, a company for which Harding serves as chairman. The company’s managing director, Mark Butler, told the AP that the crew set out on Friday. “There is still plenty of time to facilitate a rescue mission, there is equipment on board for survival in this event,” Butler said. “We’re all hoping and praying he comes back safe and sound.” Harding is a billionaire adventurer who holds three Guinness World Records, including the longest duration at full ocean depth by a crewed vessel. In March 2021, he and ocean explorer Victor Vescovo dived to the lowest depth of the Mariana Trench. In June 2022, he went into space on Blue Origin’s New Shepard rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Salespeople Bored money perfect storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 God bless the explorers of the world- they're going to make it In forgotten Titanic news, this was a great movie scene: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Irv said: What an awful way to go. Just imagine 16 days! And they were almost "right there." ...Not like 13,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. They probably heard rescuers: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/pearl-harbor-16-days-to-die.html?andro=1&chrome=1 10 hours ago, dpberr said: From what I understand about the sub, it had no redundancy in operations - there was no plan B for power or communication. It had crude design - controlled by a PlayStation controller and navigated by text message. Dangerously naive. It all sounds like a very bad idea. There are fishing boats that hit the lake with more robust design. If they happen to survive, there's no way they should be permitted to do it again. That's insane... For a $250,000 ticket? And people WERE/are complaining about the price of eggs and Bills PSL! 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I've been watching a lot of video on this story and I think you're wrong about that. in fact, it has like 4 or 5 redundancy built into it for certain functions, particularly air supply. Maybe in other parameters it doesn't have back ups though. There is only 1 of these in the world, and it has proven to be very cantankerous. They have been trying to get customers down to the Titanic all year and I think I read that they only got there once or maybe not at all. Apparently the weather in that part of the N. Atlantic has been as bad as it's been in 40 years with climate change and what not. I'd be shocked if these people survive, but stranger things have happened. NOTE to Self: MUST not say anything. LoL... 😉 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Just for reference. What's out there in this remote area of the North Atlantic. You'd think one of these guys would spot it: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-52.3/centery:46.9/zoom:3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Just imagine 16 days! And they were almost "right there." ...Not like 13,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. They probably heard rescuers: https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/pearl-harbor-16-days-to-die.html?andro=1&chrome=1 That's insane... For a $250,000 ticket? And people WERE/are complaining about the price of eggs and Bills PSL! 😏 then there is the complete opposite with the Byford dolphin pressurization incident. of course that was above water and by default kind of the opposite concern from this one, but not a distant cousin of the topic. Edited June 20, 2023 by NoSaint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 Former Royal Navy Commander says the submersible looks "a typical garden shed arrangement" and its "an absolute death trap...I wouldn't go in it." Picking up on what dpberr was saying earlier. 49 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Just for reference. What's out there in this remote area of the North Atlantic. You'd think one of these guys would spot it: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-52.3/centery:46.9/zoom:3 That's an interesting graphic, because I have seen several experts, including a former captain of a US nuclear attack submarine, say that the Titanic is in a REALLY REMOTE area and there just isn't much stuff around there....though it might be possible for some sort of civil or merchant ship to be in the area. The graphic makes it look pretty busy, though those ships are on a small graphic that actually represents thousands of nautical miles. There might not be that many ships that are usefully very close to the Titanic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 This is a terrible situation and I pray that it doesn't have a terrible outcome. That said, I hope that (especially if thongs work out successfully) money can be recovered for the effort of the USCG and US and Canadian navies. Spending what is probably millions of dollars to assist a for profit company catering to uber-wealthy clients tics me off - you do risky things you should accept those risks and be prepared to pay up if you get in over your head and need very costly help. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Avenger said: This is a terrible situation and I pray that it doesn't have a terrible outcome. That said, I hope that (especially if thongs work out successfully) money can be recovered for the effort of the USCG and US and Canadian navies. Spending what is probably millions of dollars to assist a for profit company catering to uber-wealthy clients tics me off - you do risky things you should accept those risks and be prepared to pay up if you get in over your head and need very costly help. I understand where you're coming from, but the coast guard is in business, in part, to be just this sort of thing. I'm sure the cost involved is high, but it's in their operating budget to begin with. The odds of anyone on that thing surviving are close to zero, if they are not already dead, so it really is a sad situation all around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 this story has been fascinating me today as well. last i saw they dropped sonar in the area in hope to hear knocking, noises, etc. i really need to know what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Former Royal Navy Commander says the submersible looks "a typical garden shed arrangement" and its "an absolute death trap...I wouldn't go in it." Picking up on what dpberr was saying earlier. That's an interesting graphic, because I have seen several experts, including a former captain of a US nuclear attack submarine, say that the Titanic is in a REALLY REMOTE area and there just isn't much stuff around there....though it might be possible for some sort of civil or merchant ship to be in the area. The graphic makes it look pretty busy, though those ships are on a small graphic that actually represents thousands of nautical miles. There might not be that many ships that are usefully very close to the Titanic. That's not a graphic. That's AiS. Vessels moving in real time. Totally interactive. Click on any of them. Even the USCG Commander was acknowledging getting input from commercial interests. He knows it's very busy out there... True about the miles and scaling... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, The Avenger said: Spending what is probably millions of dollars to assist a for profit company catering to uber-wealthy clients tics me off - you do risky things you should accept those risks and be prepared to pay up if you get in over your head and need very costly help. Is this where you're at? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, T&C said: Is this where you're at? Yep - exactly right Shana.. I'm not hoping for a bad outcome and I'm not saying anyone deserves this, but there are risks... What I'm saying is that if there are extraordinary measures taken (i.e. - Navy ships and subs) perhaps a billionaire who is rescued should pony up a little money to offset the taxpayer. I get that the USCG is not a business and should render aid to those in trouble - just seems like there should be a limit (just like some hikers that have to be rescued by helicopters - sometime they have to pay feels associated with their rescue). . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Avenger said: Yep - exactly right Shana.. I'm not hoping for a bad outcome and I'm not saying anyone deserves this, but there are risks... What I'm saying is that if there are extraordinary measures taken (i.e. - Navy ships and subs) perhaps a billionaire who is rescued should pony up a little money to offset the taxpayer. I get that the USCG is not a business and should render aid to those in trouble - just seems like there should be a limit (just like some hikers that have to be rescued by helicopters - sometime they have to pay feels associated with their rescue). . They some aren't that rich. They mortgage their houses to take these trips. /smdh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 As of a live press conference conducted by the US Coast Guard (which has the lead in the investigation) around 1pm, they have searched above and below water in an area bigger than Connecticut and not found the vessel. If I had to guess right now, I'd say they never find it, let alone rescue anyone. About 37 hours of air left as of right now. What a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: They some aren't that rich. They mortgage their houses to take these trips. /smdh... Onboard we have 5 people - a British billionaire, one of the wealthiest men in Pakistan and his son, the CEO of the submarine tour company and a French naval explorer - not exactly regular people who mortgaged houses to take a $250K jaunt to the Titanic. As much as they want to say trips like this (and into space) are open to the public, they're really open to the super wealthy and those that are invited. Seems like at most of these people could contribute to the cost of their rescue if it happens (and I hope it does)... The damn thing was run on an off the shelf game controller! Hope they brought extra batteries for it! Edited June 20, 2023 by The Avenger 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, dpberr said: The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. 13,000 FEET. NOT meters. I think you're mixing up the distances. 13,000 is ~>4,000m But still... Seems crazy at 4,000m given the crush depths of those other hauls. Edited June 20, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 James Cameron has made 33 dives to the Titanic wreckage. I'd have used what he used, not this half-assed thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/whistleblower-raised-safety-concerns-oceangate-190058533.html whistle blower fired a few years back. Bodes well. not ignoring the human element here, but on a practical level definitely curious about insurance carried on something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, The Avenger said: Onboard we have 5 people - a British billionaire, one of the wealthiest men in Pakistan and his son, the CEO of the submarine tour company and a French naval explorer - not exactly regular people who mortgaged houses to take a $250K jaunt to the Titanic. As much as they want to say trips like this (and into space) are open to the public, they're really open to the super wealthy and those that are invited. Seems like at most of these people could contribute to the cost of their rescue if it happens (and I hope it does)... The damn thing was run on an off the shelf game controller! Hope they brought extra batteries for it! well, and to some degree that’s why I was curious about insurance needs on these. The societal cost of disaster is quite expensive even on a small vessel. But honestly no idea what the actual regulations are on a submarine in international waters…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 This death tube is going to wash up on shore when I take my family to the beach in Maine this summer. 🤦🏾 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 this thread reeks of morbid thoughts EEEEK what a tragic ridiculous reckless story. Ive read this thread. It's giving me the creeps just sayin' I dont like to think about someone suffering this. mistake. BIG. Lord have mercy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 hours ago, dpberr said: The ARA San Juan, an Argentinian diesel single-hull sub, imploded at just 3,000 meters in 2017. A USN Seawolf sub, with a state-of-the-art, classified hull design, has a crush depth of 2,400 meters. This dude took a barely tested carbon-fiber hull down to 13,000 meters. These billionaires had to be on some sort of drugs to get in that rickety-ass submersible. The Titanic is at 3,800m. (12,500ft) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: well, and to some degree that’s why I was curious about insurance needs on these. The societal cost of disaster is quite expensive even on a small vessel. But honestly no idea what the actual regulations are on a submarine in international waters…. The CBS story said that the submersible was not certified by any body (i.e. - USCG). I'm guessing there was no insurance and everyone aboard signed a substantial waiver before boarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Hoping they are found and rescued safely! It’s hard not to think about what they might be going through right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 They could be nearer to surface. Reports are that they picked up banging sounds in intervals of 30 minutes... Sheesh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: This death tube is going to wash up on shore when I take my family to the beach in Maine this summer. 🤦🏾 Just to be sure. I'd change those plans for somewhere in Europe. 😆 Okay... GPS doesn't work underwater. Why hasn't a locator been built in? Why hasn't a "black box" been installed that could give out pings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) This kid has been arrested in the past for mass shooting threats and stalking Edited June 21, 2023 by aristocrat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 13 hours ago, Doc said: James Cameron has made 33 dives to the Titanic wreckage. I'd have used what he used, not this half-assed thing. Agreed. Play stupid games, get stupid prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Nextmanup said: As of a live press conference conducted by the US Coast Guard (which has the lead in the investigation) around 1pm, they have searched above and below water in an area bigger than Connecticut and not found the vessel. If I had to guess right now, I'd say they never find it, let alone rescue anyone. About 37 hours of air left as of right now. What a nightmare. Finding it may be like finding a needle in 50 haystacks. And thats assuming it hasn’t drifted a substantial distance from entry. Sad situation for sure. Edited June 21, 2023 by davefan66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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