Submarine meant to view Titanic wreck loses contact at bottom of sea

[stevestojan]

This is absolute nightmare fuel. I couldn’t imagine many worse ways to go. At this point, I’m hoping the thing just cracked and the end was quick for these 5. However I’ve read that of all the ways the thing was duct taped together, the hull was one thing that wouldn’t fail. 
 

Also, was watching an interview with a guy who had been on this death trap  last year. He said it wasn’t uncommon to lose communication for 2-3 hours at a clip. So he said that it was likely many many hours before anyone called the coast guard or for any other help. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

21 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

This is absolute nightmare fuel. I couldn’t imagine many worse ways to go. At this point, I’m hoping the thing just cracked and the end was quick for these 5. However I’ve read that of all the ways the thing was duct taped together, the hull was one thing that wouldn’t fail. 
 

Also, was watching an interview with a guy who had been on this death trap  last year. He said it wasn’t uncommon to lose communication for 2-3 hours at a clip. So he said that it was likely many many hours before anyone called the coast guard or for any other help. 

It could be buoyant near the surface. They have no way to get out. 

 

If you think this a nightmare, how about the 3 sailors alive on the USS West Virginia after Pearl Harbor. They stayed alive for 16 days judging from the calendar they made. They probably heard rescuers all the time. 

 

Sorry for the lack of empathy... I can't believe they were so complacent. 

 

At least it will be quick for these guys...

 

 

 

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[ExiledInIllinois]

Take a look.

 

I betcha it's these cluster of vessels that are working the area:

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-59.0/centery:41.7/zoom:8

 

 

Or maybe not... lol

 

Out there somewhere!

[ExiledInIllinois]

Further east. A stopped vessel in the middle of nowhere. Seems to be the proper angle off of St.John's NF/LAB:

 

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-49.8/centery:41.6/zoom:7

 

 

[muppy]

If this tourist craft Is found in time This story goes straight to Hollywood movie production. The script would  literally write itself.

 

Even if not found in time this story has the creep factor all over it. A  mean gnarly Horror film instead.

 

I would like to know one way or the other what did happen in the end.

 

But I may need to learn with disappointment. 😙 We may never know.

 

Having a black box aboard such craft is such a no brainer really it's amazing they never thought of it.

 

 

 

 

[stevestojan]

I understand they also wouldn’t want to exit the vehicle underwater, nor could they with the pressure. But something about literally being bolted in from the outside adds to the terror of this for me. And, if the thing just used buoyancy  and ended up breaking the surface, I assume that it doesn’t let air in at that point and still needs the bolts removed? 

[Fleezoid]

I hope they're found alive. And if they are, please keep them away from all rational people. From the Owner, Captain, to the passengers they clearly all lack any hint of sound judgement.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 hours ago, stevestojan said:

I understand they also wouldn’t want to exit the vehicle underwater, nor could they with the pressure. But something about literally being bolted in from the outside adds to the terror of this for me. And, if the thing just used buoyancy  and ended up breaking the surface, I assume that it doesn’t let air in at that point and still needs the bolts removed? 

Yeah. The integrity (of hull) has to be maintained. Gotta just accept, it's a death trap.

 

This one is going 13,000 feet. Military submarines go only like 1,500 feet... Not sure where I heard that.

 

Update: They supposedly are picking up noises in the water... 

[GoBills808]

Can't bring myself to care about these rich idiots when 600+ migrants just drowned after their boat capsized in the Mediterranean sorry not sorry

[LeviF]

19 hours ago, muppy said:

this thread reeks of  morbid thoughts EEEEK

 

what a tragic ridiculous reckless story. Ive read this thread. It's giving me the creeps just sayin'

 

I dont like to think about someone suffering this.

 

mistake. BIG. Lord have mercy.

 

Yeah it's interesting to me who we mock and who we don't when FAFO things happen. Even if we accept the premise that these folks are stupid and entitled they're still far less worthy of mockery than certain individuals in the last several years who had highly-publicized deaths and were instead rewarded with ivory or gold caskets and thousands of public mourners.

 

Then of course there's the war porn constantly strewn about the internet over the last year; people clapping like seals over men being turned into ground meat on thermal cameras.

[muppy]

2 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

Yeah it's interesting to me who we mock and who we don't when FAFO things happen. Even if we accept the premise that these folks are stupid and entitled they're still far less worthy of mockery than certain individuals in the last several years who had highly-publicized deaths and were instead rewarded with ivory or gold caskets and thousands of public mourners.

 

Then of course there's the war porn constantly strewn about the internet over the last year; people clapping like seals over men being turned into ground meat on thermal cameras.

this event is one more bit of drama and indeed even Trauma on top of all else we see that is wrong with the world. And that we are exposed to in news media on the daily.

 

I don't applaud anybodies trauma. And these thrill seekers were out there looking for an adventure NOT death. It sucks really. 

 

It's unfortunate. And Hopefully these endeavors will be done more safely or not at all in the future.

 

blech. 

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah. The integrity (of hull) has to be maintained. Gotta just accept, it's a death trap.

 

This one is going 13,000 feet. Military submarines go only like 1,500 feet... Not sure where I heard that.

 

Update: They supposedly are picking up noises in the water... 

 

From what seem to be expert posts in the field (who knows on the interwebs) I’ve seen a few posts about readings from the window where it disappeared there was a likely implosion picked up, and the current noises are likely normal day to day stuff 

15 minutes ago, muppy said:

this event is one more bit of drama and indeed even Trauma on top of all else we see that is wrong with the world. And that we are exposed to in news media on the daily.

 

I don't applaud anybodies trauma. And these thrill seekers were out there looking for an adventure NOT death. It sucks really. 

 

It's unfortunate. And Hopefully these endeavors will be done more safely or not at all in the future.

 

blech. 

honestly, as long as everyone knows the risks going in, I’m fine with risk taking… but should come with a preface of adequate insurance coverage to cover rescue costs or if funded by tax expense minimal search/rescue on the back end… as morbid as that sounds 

[ExiledInIllinois]

55 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

From what seem to be expert posts in the field (who knows on the interwebs) I’ve seen a few posts about readings from the window where it disappeared there was a likely implosion picked up, and the current noises are likely normal day to day stuff 

honestly, as long as everyone knows the risks going in, I’m fine with risk taking… but should come with a preface of adequate insurance coverage to cover rescue costs or if funded by tax expense minimal search/rescue on the back end… as morbid as that sounds 

Agree... If you read about the USS Thresher... First nuclear submarine of ours to be lost... They were picking up weird sounds... But ruled it.

[SCBills]

Legitimately the most terrifying thing I’ve ever heard in my life.

 

I go into an existential crisis anytime I try to imagine what they’re going through. 
 

As someone above said … nightmare fuel. 
 

Listening to a Twitter space on this and it sounds like they have about 9 hours and 30 minutes left of air.  
 

…it would likely take about 8 hours to get it to the surface (allegedly)

 

 

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Can't bring myself to care about these rich idiots when 600+ migrants just drowned after their boat capsized in the Mediterranean sorry not sorry

 

What if I told you that you can not be a ghoul and care about both…

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by SCBills

[4merper4mer]

6 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Can't bring myself to care about these rich idiots 

If they were just regular idiots and not rich would you care?

Edited June 22, 2023 by 4merper4mer

[NoSaint]

25 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Legitimately the most terrifying thing I’ve ever heard in my life.

 

I go into an existential crisis anytime I try to imagine what they’re going through. 
 

As someone above said … nightmare fuel. 
 

Listening to a Twitter space on this and it sounds like they have about 9 hours and 30 minutes left of air.  
 

…it would likely take about 8 hours to get it to the surface (allegedly)

 

 

 

What if I told you that you can not be a ghoul and care about both…

 

and even that is best case scenario on the air. Short of finding them floating on the surface, it’s over. 

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

If they were just regular idiots and not rich would you care?

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

[SCBills]

20 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

Some people have a sense of adventure and, if they have the means, want to experience things.  
 

Our culture has made us so bitter and docile. 
 

Don’t worry .. you can go watch your footage of the titanic on YouTube. 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Some people have a sense of adventure and, if they have the means, want to experience things.  
 

Our culture has made us so bitter and docile. 
 

Don’t worry .. you can go watch your footage of the titanic on YouTube. 

lol yeah that's me, the bitter docile ghoul on youtube

 

you, however, are surely wanting to conserve that energy as you participate in the rescue effort. ill send you my thoughts and prayers

 

 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

31 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

And the 600 migrants you mentioned were being smart?  Did they deserve their prize too?
 

No one should be able to force you to think or not think in a certain way. It seems you’re taking glee in some peoples horrific death because they were rich.  That’s your prerogative.  It’s my prerogative to find that pathetic and sad…..which I do.

[Mike in Horseheads]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

lol yeah that's me, the bitter docile ghoul on youtube

 

you, however, are surely wanting to conserve that energy as you participate in the rescue effort. ill send you my thoughts and prayers

 

 

 

 

LOL...  I'm sure they will be right there 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

And the 600 migrants you mentioned were being smart?  Did they deserve their prize too?
 

No one should be able to force you to think or not think in a certain way. It seems you’re taking glee in some peoples horrific death because they were rich.  That’s your prerogative.  It’s my prerogative to find that pathetic and sad…..which I do.

The point of the comparison was the manner (and timing) in which the two events occurred and why one might choose to care about one vs the other

 

That the circumstances which led to both tragedies were completely different should have gone without mentioning but alas

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

The point of the comparison was the manner (and timing) in which the two events occurred and why one might choose to care about one vs the other

 

That the circumstances which led to both tragedies were completely different should have gone without mentioning but alas

That some might find mocking people who died a horrific death distasteful  should have gone without mentioning distasteful but alas.

 

If you have an issue with the media’s comparative coverage then perhaps there is a way to say that without turning your anger and mockery toward the deceased.  As far as I’m aware, they are uninvolved in the decision making process of the media.

[GoBills808]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

That some might find mocking people who died a horrific death distasteful  should have gone without mentioning distasteful but alas.

 

If you have an issue with the media’s comparative coverage then perhaps there is a way to say that without turning your anger and mockery toward the deceased.  As far as I’m aware, they are uninvolved in the decision making process of the media.

As far as I know I haven't mocked the folks in the submarine...certainly not in this thread

 

but if you really want something to be upset about I'll admit the irony of a luxury submarine tour sinking in full view of the Titanic is not lost on me

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

As far as I know I haven't mocked the folks in the submarine...certainly not in this thread

 

but if you really want something to be upset about I'll admit the irony of a luxury submarine tour sinking in full view of the Titanic is not lost on me

“Play stupid games get stupid prizes” is not mockery?  What is it?  Empathy?  Indifference?  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

“Play stupid games get stupid prizes” is not mockery?  What is it?  Empathy?  Indifference?  

sheer indifference

 

likely hereditary

[SCBills]

 

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

If someone ate a rich dude, wouldn’t the rich dude have had an untimely death?

 

That Tweet contradicts itself.

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

If someone ate a rich dude, wouldn’t the rich dude have had an untimely death?

 

That Tweet contradicts itself.

Im not even an “eat the rich” type, but that crowd is 💯 showing their true colors today. 

 

Using dead migrants as cover to express not-so-subtle glee over the suffering and death of those they despise. 
 

It’s all so gross. 

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Yeah. The integrity (of hull) has to be maintained. Gotta just accept, it's a death trap.

 

This one is going 13,000 feet. Military submarines go only like 1,500 feet... Not sure where I heard that.

 

Update: They supposedly are picking up noises in the water... 

 

 

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The US Navy's Los Angeles-class submarines are the world's deepest diving submarines, capable of reaching depths of up to 950 feet. 

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The test depth of modern nuclear attack submarines such as the American Seawolf class is estimated at 490 meters (1,600 ft), which translates to a collapse depth of 730 meters (2,400 ft).

 

Russian submarine Losharik

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2,000–2,500 metres (6,600–8,200 ft) depth in the Arctic Ocean in 2012

 

 

 

Bathyscaphes are different than submarines although both are underwater vehicles.  I do not think they can be used in rescues due to the different ways they operate.

 

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Trieste is a Swiss-designed, Italian-built deep-diving research bathyscaphe which reached a record depth of about 10,911 metres (35,797 ft) in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana Trench near Guam in the Pacific. On 23 January 1960, Jacques Piccard (son of the boat's designer Auguste Piccard) and US Navy Lieutenant Don Walsh achieved the goal of Project Nekton. It was the first crewed vessel to reach the bottom of the Challenger Deep.

 

[Gregg]

19 minutes ago, NUT said:

Time is up for those explorers. RIP.

 

Pretty much. I doubt they ever find it. Look at Titanic. It sank in 1912 and wasn't found until 1985. That was a huge ship. Trying to find this little sub or whatever it's called in pitch black water at the bottom of the ocean with the currents moving things around. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

[TheCockSportif]

9 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Pretty much. I doubt they ever find it. Look at Titanic. It sank in 1912 and wasn't found until 1985. That was a huge ship. Trying to find this little sub or whatever it's called in pitch black water at the bottom of the ocean with the currents moving things around. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

That Air France plane was found at 3.9k meters depth (Atlantic Ocean).  It took almost two years, and I'm sure that technology has improved since then, but they found an object that had broken into many pieces on impact.  In that sense looking for a small thing in big and deep waters is possible, although it's not going to happen overnight.

 

On the other hand, there has to be a reason to sustain a lengthy search, so the impetus of doing so with the crash of a commercial airliner may not be the same for this vessel?  Time will tell.

 

[Doc]

I hope they died instantly.  I heard something about an implosion being heard soon after they descended and hope that's what it was.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Doc

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

That Air France plane was found at 3.9k meters depth (Atlantic Ocean).  It took almost two years, and I'm sure that technology has improved since then, but they found an object that had broken into many pieces on impact.  In that sense looking for a small thing in big and deep waters is possible, although it's not going to happen overnight.

 

On the other hand, there has to be a reason to sustain a lengthy search, so the impetus of doing so with the crash of a commercial airliner may not be the same for this vessel?  Time will tell.

 

 

I hope they find it and by some miracle they are alive. But at this point it's probably a search and recover instead of rescue.

[May Day 10]

I'm thinking it is gone and will never be located.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I'm thinking it is gone and will never be located.

at this point the most likely outcome unless by some random coincidence they landed on the ocean floor close enough to the titanic that someone stumbles into them… and even if someone does it sounds unlikely it’d be anything remotely recognizable to identify. But maybe a random piece gets found.

[Gregg]

There is not enough money in the world to make me want to get in this thing. What were they thinking.

 

 

 

[T&C]

Debris field found, not sure if it's the sub at this point in time though.

[SCBills]

Great tweet.  
 

 

[Gregg]

USCGNortheast on Twitter: "A debris field was discovered within the search area by an ROV near the Titanic. Experts within the unified command are evaluating the information. 1/2" / Twitter