Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Virgil]

56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/30/inside-deandre-hopkins-release-options-bills-chiefs

 

Some team execs quoted:

 

"not much left".  "he can't run anymore".

 

"he's not going to separate, not much of a deep threat"

 

“Does not love to practice—I can’t imagine that’ll get any better. And when things don’t go well, you’re always gonna be leery, All right, what kind of drama are we gonna get from this guy? When things are great, he’s great. When things go south, his true colors show a little bit."

 

No teams but Bills and Chiefs gave him a whiff...

I think this is smoke.  He performed great when he came back.  And I would challenge any of those execs to have their team single cover DHop and see how it goes for them 

[Einstein]

56 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The last thing Allen needs is two ego maniac wr yelling at him in the huddle and on the sideline when they are behind or are struggling. 

 

LOL!

 

Imagine this:

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

50 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

the source is being over the top...

 

its probably that loser michael lombardi.

 

It was Albert Breer.

 

There's nothing over the top in that article at all, actually.

 

39 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He NEVER was a DEEP THREAT. Can he catch the ball? I think he can be a better version of Beasley for Josh. A reliable safety valve 

 

lol, sure.

 

22 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I think this is smoke.  He performed great when he came back.  And I would challenge any of those execs to have their team single cover DHop and see how it goes for them 

 

Not great.  Played only 19 games the past 2 years--total of under 1300 yards. That's not all against double coverage..

 

 

 

 

[MikePJ76]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It was Albert Breer.

 

There's nothing over the top in that article at all, actually.

 

 

lol, sure.

 

 

Not great.  Played only 19 games the past 2 years--total of under 1300 yards. That's not all against double coverage..

 

 

 

 

albert breer wrote the article and cited a team executive saying hopkins can not run anymore.....that is being dramatic.  He can still play.

[Mat68]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

If a player can't play year 1, then they shouldn't be a 1st round pick.

They played.  If they were drafted to a worst team they would start.  

[John from Riverside]

I wonder if the Oliver extension does anything on the Hopkins front?

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

albert breer wrote the article and cited a team executive saying hopkins can not run anymore.....that is being dramatic.  He can still play.

if Breer quotes 3 different team executives’ opinions of Hopkins current abilities…he’s being dramatic?

 

that makes no sense at all.  He’s quoting football executives—one of which also had positive things to say.

 

Save yourself, go read the article. 

[MikePJ76]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

if Breer quotes 3 different team executives’ opinions of Hopkins current abilities…he’s being dramatic?

 

that makes no sense at all.  He’s quoting football executives—one of which also had positive things to say.

 

Save yourself, go read the article. 

I am not sure what you are misunderstanding here.

 

I am saying the source...the team executive is being dramatic.  I think that was pretty clear.  Breer wrote the article quoting a source, a team executive Who I said is being dramatic....not breer...the source.

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I am not sure what you are misunderstanding here.

 

I am saying the source...the team executive is being dramatic.  I think that was pretty clear.  Breer wrote the article quoting a source, a team executive Who I said is being dramatic....not breer...the source.

it’s probably an executive hoping to drive his market down by saying that

[Mat68]

20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I wonder if the Oliver extension does anything on the Hopkins front?

Oliver resigning could create more cap space than any other single move Buffalo could make.  I think him signing would be paired with a restructure to Dawkins as well.

[Fan in Chicago]

29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I wonder if the Oliver extension does anything on the Hopkins front?

Let us see if Oliver's extension has freed up money right now. Not saying that the money should be spent on Hopkins but I have dreams of a speedy WR, capable of being our # 2, being strangely available for a trade. If that dream were to come true, the Bills would clearly become one of the top 2 favorites to win it all.  

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I am not sure what you are misunderstanding here.

 

I am saying the source...the team executive is being dramatic.  I think that was pretty clear.  Breer wrote the article quoting a source, a team executive Who I said is being dramatic....not breer...the source.

point to the drama 

19 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

it’s probably an executive hoping to drive his market down by saying that

the point of the article is that there has been no market for Hopkins….

 

[Virgil]

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It was Albert Breer.

 

There's nothing over the top in that article at all, actually.

 

 

lol, sure.

 

 

Not great.  Played only 19 games the past 2 years--total of under 1300 yards. That's not all against double coverage..

 

 

 

 

Please don’t check my math, but I think that’s about 1100 yards over 17 games.   I’ll take that next to Diggs in a heartbeat.  It’ll definitely command attention from the defense.  
 

Could it be a swing and a miss, sure.  But it’s a swing I think we need to take 

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

point to the drama 

the point of the article is that there has been no market for Hopkins….

 

omg man.

 

for the umpteenth time, saying hopkins cant run anymore is a bit dramatic.  

[BillsFanForever19]

10 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Oliver resigning could create more cap space than any other single move Buffalo could make.  I think him signing would be paired with a restructure to Dawkins as well.

 

Or....

 

It could be a move that does absolutely nothing to his current contract and simply adds on to it.

 

I remember an extension in the past (maybe it was Tre?) where everyone assumed we were going to get cap space and come to find out they just added years and kept the current year the same.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Or....

 

It could be a move that does absolutely nothing to his current contract and simply adds on to it.

 

I remember an extension in the past (maybe it was Tre?) where everyone assumed we were going to get cap space and come to find out they just added years and kept the current year the same.

considering we had 1-2 mil in space, I’d imagine they wanted 5-6 mil opened up from Ed’s extension (even if it’s not for a specific UFA) gives them some flexibility

Edited June 4, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Please don’t check my math, but I think that’s about 1100 yards over 17 games.   I’ll take that next to Diggs in a heartbeat.  It’ll definitely command attention from the defense.  
 

Could it be a swing and a miss, sure.  But it’s a swing I think we need to take 

posters live to extrapolate stars that don’t exist.  It’s not a meaningful exercise.  The numbers he put up were not “great”.

 

the guy can’t play close to a full season since 3 years ago

 

 

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

omg man.

 

for the umpteenth time, saying hopkins cant run anymore is a bit dramatic.  

NFL executives disagree with your professional opinion.

 

tell them that are wrong minded drama queens 

[BillsFanForever19]

20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

considering we had 1-2 mil in space, I’d imagine they wanted 5-6 mil opened up from Ed’s extension (even if it’s not for a specific UFA) gives them some flexibility

 

I wouldn't just assume that to be the case though until it's reported.

 

Like I said, I remember making an extension (might have been Tre) when we were in a similar situation, expecting cap relief, and it was just an extension in every sense of the word.

[GoBills808]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

posters live to extrapolate stars that don’t exist.  It’s not a meaningful exercise.  The numbers he put up were not “great”.

 

the guy can’t play close to a full season since 3 years ago

 

 

NFL executives disagree with your professional opinion.

 

tell them that are wrong minded drama queens 

Putting up those numbers w colt McCoy is better than great lol

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

I saw this earlier today and I think its a bit dramatic.  I do agree on parts of it and I still do not think he is not the missing piece by any stretch in Buffalo.  

 

The last thing Allen needs is two ego maniac wr yelling at him in the huddle and on the sideline when they are behind or are struggling. 

 

WR never put teams over the top.

Diggs hates losing. Dude doesnt care about the ball if were winning, winning is fun.

Also, Ive never seen Hopkins b-word about targets. Maybe I missed it, but the % we throw the ball, there are ZERO ZERO ZERO issues with having two #1 WR's

 

All the Hopkins bad mouthing sounds like people who think we have no chance and are pre justifying it.

 

"Dude have you seen Megan Fox's thumbs.... I could never! Gross"

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It was Albert Breer.

 

There's nothing over the top in that article at all, actually.

 

 

lol, sure.

 

 

Not great.  Played only 19 games the past 2 years--total of under 1300 yards. That's not all against double coverage..

 

 

 

 

Don't believe me @Mr. WEO, go check his combine results. I believe he ran a 4.65 40. He was NEVER considered a deep threat

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I wonder if the Oliver extension does anything on the Hopkins front?

Could literally create the money to sign Hopkins or edge. We’ll see. Timing is interesting. Also signing Oliver and not Davis is interesting.

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

albert breer wrote the article and cited a team executive saying hopkins can not run anymore.....that is being dramatic.  He can still play.

Albert Breer is tight with Beane. 😳

 

 

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Could literally create the money to sign Hopkins or edge. We’ll see. Timing is interesting. Also signing Oliver and not Davis is interesting.

Albert Breer is tight with Beane. 😳

 

 

Ha.  Good I dont think its a good move for hopkins and if they are going to sign him or make a run it cant hurt to make him sound worse than he is in the media.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

They played.  If they were drafted to a worst team they would start.  

The 6th round pick played more…

[MikePJ76]

44 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Diggs hates losing. Dude doesnt care about the ball if were winning, winning is fun.

Also, Ive never seen Hopkins b-word about targets. Maybe I missed it, but the % we throw the ball, there are ZERO ZERO ZERO issues with having two #1 WR's

 

All the Hopkins bad mouthing sounds like people who think we have no chance and are pre justifying it.

 

"Dude have you seen Megan Fox's thumbs.... I could never! Gross"

Yes I know.  All star wr's hate losing and justify it by yelling at their quarterbacks on the sideline.  

 

I am not bad mouthing hopkins.  I don't think its a good fit and WR are never the missing piece.  Hopkins brings the thing the bills do not have at the position, size and the ability to make those contorted contested catches.  I just think its a bad move for buffalo.   

 

I do however think if he did sign here and there were some tough losses the media is going to run to diggs and hopkins and ask them the reason why and there is no doubt in my mind the qb is going to be the reason...it always is with these star wr.  

 

I think this is all a moot point anyway, the guy is not going to take a team friendly deal and someone will pay him because he is a good player and buffalo already has a number 1 wr.

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

All star wr's hate losing and justify it by yelling at their quarterbacks on the sideline.  

Do you know what he was yelling?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Top WRs don’t sit on the open market and get released.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

For the salary he had and his age, sure they do… he’s been a FA for all of what? 3 days? Come on. 
 

Again, top WR’s don’t. They don’t get released.

 

It’s a major red flag. I personally think he’s still good but the league is speaking loudly.

 

He should still sign a WR2 contract. But if we’re thought of as a number 1 he’d be on a team now and wouldn’t have been released.

 

Diggs is WR1 almost 30. Would you release him next year because of age and contract? 

[GreggTX]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that we need to make this move if we're serious about winning the SB this year. Right now if Diggs goes down, our WR corps is as weak as any in the NFL. Even if Diggs is healthy, defenses will gang up on him to take him out. With Hopkins, they can't overcommit to either of our outside WR's and we have no one behind Diggs that defenses really need to worry about. Our TE's are good, but they won't be forcing the Safeties to play back. I know DHop isn't fast either, but he never was and look how successful he's been.

I was undecided at first, but as soon as I asked myself 'What if Diggs has to sit out a few games and can only get back to 90% this year?' I realized that we really need DHop. We'd still be a good team without him, but a SB would be out of the question.

 

[Alphadawg7]

It’s funny…400 pages between the two threads and the same people are still arguing the same info on both sides.  Lol

 

Hopkins discussion has to hold the record for dead horse beatings at this point lol

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

No, but the Bills aren’t in rebuild mode like Arizona. 
 

Age, the state of the cardinals franchise, and that massive contract were why he was released. 

What I’m saying is you wouldn’t release him in either scenario. You would trade Diggs next year if we were rebuilding.

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It’s funny…400 pages between the two threads and the same people are still arguing the same info on both sides.  Lol

 

Hopkins discussion has to hold the record for dead horse beatings at this point lol

 

Probably not even close. Ertz thread was massive.

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Again, top WR’s don’t. They don’t get released.

 

It’s a major red flag. I personally think he’s still good but the league is speaking loudly.

 

He should still sign a WR2 contract. But if we’re thought of as a number 1 he’d be on a team now and wouldn’t have been released.

 

Diggs is WR1 almost 30. Would you release him next year because of age and contract? 

AZ is tanking. He didn’t exactly want to be there for it. Releasing him saves on their cap for next season. 

 

Massive difference with Diggs. We are top team. The Cardinals are awful 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

AZ is tanking. He didn’t exactly want to be there for it. Releasing him saves on their cap for next season. 

 

Massive difference with Diggs. We are top team. The Cardinals are awful 

Ok, so you’re saying Diggs wouldn’t have a trade market next year?

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Ok, so you’re saying Diggs wouldn’t have a trade market next year?

Hopkins had interest from 2 top teams via trade. It was confirmed that KC and BUF both spoke directly to Hopkins.
 

Deal didn’t happen because either Hopkins refused to restructure into a deal that either team liked / AZ wouldn’t eat actual cash in a deal / they asked for too much draft compensation

Edited June 4, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Simon]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It’s funny…400 pages between the two threads and the same people are still arguing the same info on both sides.  Lol

 

Hopkins discussion has to hold the record for dead horse beatings at this point lol

 

 

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[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

<Tremaine Edmunds has entered the chat>

 

 

Haha touche, nice one 

[Aussie Joe]

Thread has been on 99 pages all day

[Behindenemylines]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

 

<Tremaine Edmunds has entered the chat>

 

 

He was supposed to have hit the Ed Oliver thread but missed and hit this one instead.  He’s now chasing down the Oliver thread 

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Don't believe me @Mr. WEO, go check his combine results. I believe he ran a 4.65 40. He was NEVER considered a deep threat

 

lol come on.  

 

Ok, let's "run" with that.  That makes him faster than another "NEVER a deep threat", Jerry Rice, and as "slow" as Larry Fitzgerald--another guy who could NEVER go deep.

 

Compare them to such legendary 40 yard kings and, therefore, "deep threats" Rondel Menendez, John Ross, Marquis Goodwin, JJ Nelson and Tyquan Thornton.

 

Being a deep threat in the NFL isn't just a function of straight line speed...

 

Even so, D Hop has lost a step, per multiple guys who fill rosters and all passed on even discussing a trade for him.

[MikePJ76]

11 hours ago, Simon said:

Do you know what he was yelling?

I d0 n0t.  C0uld be he was mad ab0ut s0mething else.

 

Dez Bryant used t0 get accused 0f this stuff and then nfl films w0uld sh0w the clip and he w0uld be talking ab0ut s0mething c0mpletely different.

 

it didn't change the percepti0n and I bet y0u th0ught bryant was a malc0ntent just like every0ne else did.

 

als0 my 0 is br0ke all 0f a sudden 0n my backb00k s0 yes th0se are zer0s.