RoyBatty is alive Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, boyst said: go listen to the boston station. or go listen to the browns station (atl east 5-10 years ago). those stations rip them apart and are honest. Yeah sure, Scott Zolak, one of the most egregiously homer play by play announcers. And the few times I heard any dialogue from the Brown Media was after they signed Deshaun Watson to one of the worst contracts of all time and the media was split, half hated it (justifiably) , half loved it and suddenly were embracing the sex pervert. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, gordong said: The sabres have turned the corner now your just being a drama queen. The sabres are setup for long term success... and have 2 superstars on that team, with the potential of more.... let me guess you wanted them to trade prospects just so that you could feel better this year. Sabres have two bonafide (one fringe) superstars on the roster and what looks to be at-least 3 more future superstars. The future is very bright for the Sabres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 44 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: that is incorrect. not even close to accurate If you feel it is inaccurate then give some examples And let’s try not to use a team that wins like two games every year and never makes the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, SUNY_amherst said: why what? you are the one who made the ridiculous comment that radio stations don't criticize the local team in other cities. You should give some examples not me cause that was out of nowhere and just plain wrong Then give some teams and radio stations that criticize them You’re the one making the claim burden of proof is on you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 all the people saying how nice WGR is to the Bills must not remember the drought era We had Buddy Nix literally hanging up on Howard Simon mid call live on the air. It was UGLY, but fun to listen to someone say to the team what many fans were thinking and wanted to say at the time. If I recall correctly, Schopp even had some sort of blowup with McDermott early on as well, before we knew this team would actually be good. Back then, it was just WGR going to the playbook of ripping the team 24/7 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Unless DeAndre Hopkins specifically wants to come to Buffalo Kansas City can beat our offer I think Would love to have him, but we don’t need him Just now, SUNY_amherst said: uhhh how about every city and no, you made the claim lol You started off this conversation wondering why the pegulas the Sabres and the bills don’t get criticized and feel that that should be a regular thing You started the conversation All I am simply asking from you is to name a team and a radio station that criticizes them that is of similar set up to the bills and WGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Unless DeAndre Hopkins specifically wants to come to Buffalo Kansas City can beat our offer I think Would love to have him, but we don’t need him How exactly? They already have less money and need to pay Chris Jones quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Gambit said: How exactly? They already have less money and need to pay Chris Jones quite a bit. I was listening to this conversation by Joe Marino, and he pointed out the different ways. The Kansas City could also pull levers on extensions. I want the bills to be in this, but I don’t want them to live massively overpay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: all the people saying how nice WGR is to the Bills must not remember the drought era We had Buddy Nix literally hanging up on Howard Simon mid call live on the air. It was UGLY, but fun to listen to someone say to the team what many fans were thinking and wanted to say at the time. If I recall correctly, Schopp even had some sort of blowup with McDermott early on as well, before we knew this team would actually be good. Back then, it was just WGR going to the playbook of ripping the team 24/7 I think this was before GR became the official voice of the Bills again. If I remember correctly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Offer him 3 for 35 mil with 25 mil guaranteed and a few void years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: all the people saying how nice WGR is to the Bills must not remember the drought era We had Buddy Nix literally hanging up on Howard Simon mid call live on the air. It was UGLY, but fun to listen to someone say to the team what many fans were thinking and wanted to say at the time. If I recall correctly, Schopp even had some sort of blowup with McDermott early on as well, before we knew this team would actually be good. Back then, it was just WGR going to the playbook of ripping the team 24/7 both can be true. wgr was terrible during the drought. arm chair qb's and endless whining. now that they are winning it is a lot of kool aid and fluff, save for a few outliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 If $10 million plus incentives is the number, just get it done. Make it $12 million. A lot of detractors to the idea have said no team has the ability to pay two high-end WRs, but $10-$12 million is actually a fair rate for a #2. If anything that is a discount given where the market has gone. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I wonder if Buffalo trades Davis if they sign Hopkins. Something to watch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if Buffalo trades Davis if they sign Hopkins. Something to watch. What's the point? Gabe has a low $ hit for this season and is a high end WR3 Deep threat. it's a contract year and he will be motivated to have his best possible season He is also a solid blocker Edited May 30, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if Buffalo trades Davis if they sign Hopkins. Something to watch. Nah don't think so. If they do I highly doubt it will be this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if Buffalo trades Davis if they sign Hopkins. Something to watch. Imagine Gabe on the Giants? Seriously, he would be a good fit. It's funny... most of my buddies are from other teams and they would ALL love Davis on their team. IF we get Dhop, which I think is a 1% chance, then yes... Davis can be moved. But I think Beaner is set. No Dhop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: What's the point? Gabe has a low $ hit for this season and is a high end WR3 Deep threat. it's a contract year and he will be motivated to have his best possible season He is also a solid blocker Because we can get something probably pretty significant for him now and he's not got the greatest hands? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said: Imagine Gabe on the Giants? Seriously, he would be a good fit. It's funny... most of my buddies are from other teams and they would ALL love Davis on their team. IF we get Dhop, which I think is a 1% chance, then yes... Davis can be moved. But I think Beaner is set. No Dhop. I get that Gabe has his problems....but the dude can REALLY go off when he is on.....and if he's lined up in the slot against single coverage he has wrecked teams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: why what? you are the one who made the ridiculous comment that radio stations don't criticize the local team in other cities. You should give some examples not me cause that was out of nowhere and just plain wrong You are the one that made the ridiculous comments that Boston and Brown media (your two examples, not mine) are so tough on their home teams but you never responded about Scott Zolak and the browns media on the Watson trade . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: What's the point? Gabe has a low $ hit for this season and is a high end WR3 Deep threat Exactly, not sure why anyone would think it's possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if Buffalo trades Davis if they sign Hopkins. Something to watch. I don’t see that happening management loves Gabe Davis says nothing but glowing things about him constantly and he doesn’t have a huge cap hit this year. Not to mention the fact that he’s playing in a contract year so he’s going to ball out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said: Because we can get something probably pretty significant for him now and he's not got the greatest hands? If they try to trade Gabe, it won't be now. It would be next year if indeed it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If $10 million plus incentives is the number, just get it done. Make it $12 million. A lot of detractors to the idea have said no team has the ability to pay two high-end WRs, but $10-$12 million is actually a fair rate for a #2. If anything that is a discount given where the market has gone. I would go along with that, incentive laden (SB). If we did do that i would consider trading away Gabe Davis, his post season exploits are legendary and we should get something attractive for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Patrick Duffy said: If they try to trade Gabe, it won't be now. It would be next year if indeed it happens. Isn’t he in a contract year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I wonder if Buffalo trades Davis if they sign Hopkins. Something to watch. I'd say that's about a 5% chance, and that may be too high. Davis would likely move to WR3. With Hopkins in the #2, Gabe could be even more productive than he was in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: Isn’t he in a contract year? That's my understanding.....unless I'm mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: WGR hasn't been the same since Chuck Dickerson. Now that was good radio you mention drought era moments where the Bills were rightfully criticized and yeah WGR was better back then than they are now but ever since the Pegulas bought the team they've been a mouthpiece So your argument is that WGR was good when the Bills were bad because they criticized them then but now they don’t? Were you listening after 13 seconds? How about after the AFC Championship game when they criticized McDermott for playing scared? Or ripping apart their play after the Bengals loss? Or criticizing the offense in the second half of the year? Saying WGR isn’t critical of the Bills nowadays is laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I would go along with that, incentive laden (SB). If we did do that i would consider trading away Gabe Davis, his post season exploits are legendary and we should get something attractive for him. Once again, if he's so great in the playoffs.....why are we trading him away? If Diggs, Hopkins and Kincaid are all on the field in the AFC Championship and so is Gabe Davis.....Gabe could have a massive game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: What's the point? Gabe has a low $ hit for this season and is a high end WR3 Deep threat. it's a contract year and he will be motivated to have his best possible season He is also a solid blocker Keeping Gabe would mean we don’t have a prolonged drop off should something happen to Diggs or DHop that lingers. Some of the new guys might be great, but I don’t want to NEED them to step up. There’s a lot at stake. If we don’t get DHop, as I’ve come to expect, then we just roll with what we’ve got and hope for the best. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 With Hopkins...I am more concerned about him signing with one of our top competitors, especially KC, than I am worried about missing out on him. Buffalo already has an elite WR in Diggs and has restocked the WR room, while still having a very good (albeit underused) TE in Knox and now adding Kincaid to the mix. Not to mention, a couple of RB's who are very good at catching passes as well. So if Buffalo adds Hopkins, yes we instantly get better still, but not by the same margin KC would if they added Hopkins. KC is already the reigning SB champs and did so with JuJu being their top WR last year who isn't nearly the player Hopkins is. Hopkins would just have a bigger role in KC and they just need him more than we do. I want Hopkins personally, but in terms of our own team, I don't fear not getting him either as I think we have a pretty good upgraded group of weapons for Allen, a new OL, and potentially a better RB attack this year both running and receiving out of the backfield. BUT...Hopkins is still a top 10 WR in the league and would not be thrilled to see him land on a top AFC contender either. So for me, the value in signing Hopkins is 2 fold...bolster our own offense while preventing a top threat to our pursuit of a SB birth from upgrading themselves with him. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Augie said: Keeping Gabe would mean we don’t have a prolonged drop off should something happen to Diggs or DHop that lingers. Some of the new guys might be great, but I don’t want to NEED them to step up. There’s a lot at stake. If we don’t get DHop, as I’ve come to expect, then we just roll with what we’ve got and hope for the best. That is how I see it: Diggs - elite WR1 Hopkins - elite WR1 Davis - OK WR2, high end WR3 Harty - Big ? if he can stay healthy. Explosive player. If healthy, quality WR4 Sherfield - WR3 for Miami last season, very good blocker. STer too Shorter - Strong, work ethic. Camp will tell. STer as well. Shakir - Best case is Slot #2 behind Kincaid as of now Edited May 30, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If $10 million plus incentives is the number, just get it done. Make it $12 million. A lot of detractors to the idea have said no team has the ability to pay two high-end WRs, but $10-$12 million is actually a fair rate for a #2. If anything that is a discount given where the market has gone. $10M is Marquez Valdes-Scantling money........who is basically the closest comp to what Gabe Davis is and was the past couple seasons in terms of play style and production(though MVS is much faster). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: If they try to trade Gabe, it won't be now. It would be next year if indeed it happens. 1 minute ago, Max Fischer said: I'd say that's about a 5% chance, and that may be too high. Davis would likely move to WR3. With Hopkins in the #2, Gabe could be even more productive than he was in 2021. I posted this in another thread with a longer explanation… but if Hopkins signs, there is absolutely no need for Gabe and we can get a premium pick for him NOW. We will run heavy 2TE sets this year, correct? If so, Hopkins and Diggs go on the outside, with Harty and Shakir competing in the slot (and Kincaid). That leaves Shorter and Sherfield as deep ball specialists… kinda like Gabe, but they also are great at Special Teams. You don’t keep 7WR in a 2TE system when you can get a premium asset for one who will see only a few snaps per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I don’t see that happening management loves Gabe Davis says nothing but glowing things about him constantly and he doesn’t have a huge cap hit this year. Not to mention the fact that he’s playing in a contract year so he’s going to ball out. I see this said quite often by some. That because a player is in a contract year their performance will improve to a great extent due to that particular reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: That is how I see it: Diggs - elite WR1 Hopkins - elite WR1 Davis - OK WR2, high end WR3 I keep mentioning this because ppl such as yourself keeping mentioning Gabe as a #3... 1. Gabe doesn't play the slot, hardly ever. 2. Putting our 3 best Wrs on the field, includes Gabe. But then 2 things happen-- likely Kincaid/Knox to the bench and Diggs or Dhop in the slot. 3. Gabe becomes what you are really saying which is how we was used in 2020 and 2021...a backup, who now likely gets even less time because it's not Smoke and Manny keeping him off the field but Dhop. I'm not a fan of option 2. At which point you my as well get an asset back for Gabe, because there's zero chance he resigns and gets his snaps likely cut below 50%. This is why posters suggested a Gabe trade above. I'd also be floored if Dhop gets less money than OBJ...this is pure speculation right now. Edited May 30, 2023 by MasterStrategist 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I’d rather invest whatever cash is needed for Hopkins in a swing tackle/Brown upgrade 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: What's the point? Gabe has a low $ hit for this season and is a high end WR3 Deep threat. it's a contract year and he will be motivated to have his best possible season He is also a solid blocker You said it. It’s a contract year. He wants targets. Trading Davis wouldn’t be about the Bills it’s more about Davis wanting a better opportunity elsewhere. If they sign Hopkins. Edited May 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Charles Romes said: I’d rather invest whatever cash is needed for Hopkins in a swing tackle/Brown upgrade ....we signed RT Brandon Shell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, Charles Romes said: I’d rather invest whatever cash is needed for Hopkins in a swing tackle/Brown upgrade Exactly!!!!! Brandon Shell is a good backup competing with Quess, but that's it. Problem is nobody is available and everyone is about this year only. The scenario exists that we save the cap and do this next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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