Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[Bobby Hooks]

The house that Josh built. 

[LabattBlue]

40 minutes ago, mrags said:

I spoke with a rep about 2-3 weeks ago. They said it would be within a week or 2. I guess expect it any day now. 

Thanks. Not that I am a STH, but very interesting to hear about PSL & ticket prices.  

[mrags]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Thanks. Not that I am a STH, but very interesting to hear about PSL & ticket prices.  

Yeah I’m there as well. As a season ticket holder I am excited to see what’s going to happen. And of course curious as to pricing as well. 

[LabattBlue]

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html

[mrags]

31 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html

Thanks for this. Sounds like between bouncing Raccuia and then having to let go of his replacement slowing things down. And price increases they are expecting they want to take as long to roll this thing out as possible to make sure they aren’t losing money in the deal. 

[Mr. WEO]

On 11/8/2023 at 9:37 AM, Bobby Hooks said:

The house that Josh built. 

if this was true then we would definitely be seeing a ceiling already

[rusty shackleford]

On 11/8/2023 at 9:37 AM, Bobby Hooks said:

The house that Josh built. 

 

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

if this was true then we would definitely be seeing a ceiling already

 

And it would have already been turned over to a competing construction firm.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

3 hours ago, mrags said:

Thanks for this. Sounds like between bouncing Raccuia and then having to let go of his replacement slowing things down. And price increases they are expecting they want to take as long to roll this thing out as possible to make sure they aren’t losing money in the deal. 

I personally would make the prime Buffalo Bills seat 10 times what they are now at the 50 yard lines. I would make them the most expensive seats in the NFL and I would wave no PSL’s on the cheap Bills seats if I was the Bills organization which I am not. I think it is a major mistake to charge PSL’s in the end zone seating where Bills Elvis is as example sits. Let the Buffalo banking and corporations in Buffalo finally pay the NFL national going rate prices instead of Buffalo home town discounts. While passing off there home town discounts onto Bob and Mary Bills fan that don’t have the ability to write off as business expenses. Buffalo Super Fan do you feel the Buffalo corporate boxes and prime seating pay enough? No I don’t I think this nonsense has been going on for years with the Buffalo Sabres and the Buffalo Bills while the cheap seats in the 300’s Sabres and end zones Bills pay for the Buffalo corporate community home town discounts with both teams. In big cities the corporate seats are sky high and the cheap seats are lower. Buffalo needs this model it is time for the corporate community in Buffalo to pay much higher prices then they are now. The Buffalo corporate community aren’t giving up center ice or 50 yard line seats they can write off as business expenses and if they do give up their corporate Sabres or Bills seats then say goodbye to the Sabres or Bills because the teams are no longer viable in Western New York anymore. But I don’t think they are going to do that when they can write off the seats. Poor Bills/Sabres fan Bob and Mary that have been in the end zones or 300’s or oranges for 40 years shouldn’t pay PSL’s that don’t have the luxuries of the corporations to write off the Bills/Sabres tickets as business expenses. Plus the Bills cheap seats  have no roof or canopy whatever and no heated seats they shouldn’t be paying PSL’s at all. Also I don’t think we as Buffalo sports fans talk about this taboo topic why aren’t Buffalo corporations area paying more for their prime seats. All we hear about from the Buffalo News is what this community can afford. The Buffalo corporate community with the means needs to step up a lot more than it has in the past is my two cents on this PSL’s topic in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I personally would make the prime Buffalo Bills seat 10 times what they are now at the 50 yard lines. I would make them the most expensive seats in the NFL

 

 

Why?

[RiotAct]

WNY corporate community… let’s see…

 

Local hospitals 

M&T Bank

New Era (?)

Independent Health

Blue Cross Blue Shield of WNY

Northtown

West Herr

Ted’s Hot Dogs

William Mattar

Anderson’s Frozen Custard (RIP mama Anderson)

 

 

am I missing any?

[mrags]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

I personally would make the prime Buffalo Bills seat 10 times what they are now at the 50 yard lines. I would make them the most expensive seats in the NFL and I would wave no PSL’s on the cheap Bills seats if I was the Bills organization which I am not. I think it is a major mistake to charge PSL’s in the end zone seating where Bills Elvis is as example sits. Let the Buffalo banking and corporations in Buffalo finally pay the NFL national going rate prices instead of Buffalo home town discounts. While passing off there home town discounts onto Bob and Mary Bills fan that don’t have the ability to write off as business expenses. Buffalo Super Fan do you feel the Buffalo corporate boxes and prime seating pay enough? No I don’t I think this nonsense has been going on for years with the Buffalo Sabres and the Buffalo Bills while the cheap seats in the 300’s Sabres and end zones Bills pay for the Buffalo corporate community home town discounts with both teams. In big cities the corporate seats are sky high and the cheap seats are lower. Buffalo needs this model it is time for the corporate community in Buffalo to pay much higher prices then they are now. The Buffalo corporate community aren’t giving up center ice or 50 yard line seats they can write off as business expenses and if they do give up their corporate Sabres or Bills seats then say goodbye to the Sabres or Bills because the teams are no longer viable in Western New York anymore. But I don’t think they are going to do that when they can write off the seats. Poor Bills/Sabres fan Bob and Mary that have been in the end zones or 300’s or oranges for 40 years shouldn’t pay PSL’s that don’t have the luxuries of the corporations to write off the Bills/Sabres tickets as business expenses. Plus the Bills cheap seats  have no roof or canopy whatever and no heated seats they shouldn’t be paying PSL’s at all. Also I don’t think we as Buffalo sports fans talk about this taboo topic why aren’t Buffalo corporations area paying more for their prime seats. All we hear about from the Buffalo News is what this community can afford. The Buffalo corporate community with the means needs to step up a lot more than it has in the past is my two cents on this PSL’s topic in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

Why would they do that and F themselves out of millions of dollars? Also, the Bills org, as well as the NFL doesn’t want the type of fans that attend Bills games anymore. The stupid shenanigans of the Bills Mafia is a black on on the organization, the city, the NFL. They want to make prices as expensive as possible so that drunk 20 something kids can’t chug beers out of butt cracks, throw each other through flaming tables, covering themselves in ketchup, mustard, beer, etc and puking all over themselves in the games. Or falling off the 300 overhangs. Or throwing dildos on the field. 

 

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

WNY corporate community… let’s see…

 

Local hospitals 

M&T Bank

New Era (?)

Independent Health

Blue Cross Blue Shield of WNY

Northtown

West Herr

Ted’s Hot Dogs

William Mattar

Anderson’s Frozen Custard (RIP mama Anderson)

 

 

am I missing any?

Yeah those must be the only 11 in the area. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by mrags

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, mrags said:

Why would they do that and F themselves out of millions of dollars? Also, the Bills org, as well as the NFL doesn’t want the type of fans that attend Bills games anymore. The stupid shenanigans of the Bills Mafia is a black on on the organization, the city, the NFL. They want to make prices as expensive as possible so that drunk 20 something kids can’t chug beers out of butt cracks, throw each other through flaming tables, covering themselves in ketchup, mustard, beer, etc and committing all over themselves in the games. Or falling off the 300 overhangs. Or throwing dildos on the field. 

 

Yeah those must be the only 11 in the area. 

I forgot Delta Sonic and Paula’s Donuts, sorry.

[mrags]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

I forgot Delta Sonic and Paula’s Donuts, sorry.

Yeah. That’s it. Paula’s doughnuts and their 4 locations. Top 12 business in WNY 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

WNY corporate community… let’s see…

 

Local hospitals 

M&T Bank

New Era (?)

Independent Health

Blue Cross Blue Shield of WNY

Northtown

West Herr

Ted’s Hot Dogs

William Mattar

Anderson’s Frozen Custard (RIP mama Anderson)

 

 

am I missing any?

You honestly believe Ted’s and Anderson’s are two of the biggest employers in WNY?  😂

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You honestly believe Ted’s and Anderson’s are two of the biggest employers in WNY?  😂

Don’t stop him. He’s on a roll 

[PBF81]

You guys are hilarious!!  

 

 

1 hour ago, mrags said:

They want to make prices as expensive as possible so that drunk 20 something kids can’t chug beers out of butt cracks, throw each other through flaming tables, covering themselves in ketchup, mustard, beer, etc and committing all over themselves in the games. Or falling off the 300 overhangs. Or throwing dildos on the field. 

 

LOL!!! 

 

 

[SoMAn]

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

WNY corporate community… let’s see…

 

Local hospitals 

M&T Bank

New Era (?)

Independent Health

Blue Cross Blue Shield of WNY

Northtown

West Herr

Ted’s Hot Dogs

William Mattar

Anderson’s Frozen Custard (RIP mama Anderson)

 

 

am I missing any?

Da broadway market dere 

[RiotAct]

Just now, SoMAn said:

Da broadway market dere 

oh man, how could I forget the Broadway Market.  They should be able to allocate the funds from Babcia’s Pierogies sales for a luxury box  at the brand-new stadium.

[Einstein]

8 hours ago, mrags said:

Thanks for this. Sounds like between bouncing Raccuia and then having to let go of his replacement slowing things down. And price increases they are expecting they want to take as long to roll this thing out as possible to make sure they aren’t losing money in the deal. 

 

If they need to hold off on pricing, that’s fine.

 

But why not share more photos of the stadium?

 

There have been stadiums announced months after ours that already had 360 degree virtual reality views.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

If they need to hold off on pricing, that’s fine.

 

But why not share more photos of the stadium?

 

There have been stadiums announced months after ours that already had 360 degree virtual reality views.

Well. Take a look at the people in charge. They are incompetent 

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I forgot Delta Sonic and Paula’s Donuts, sorry.

 

You also forgot likely the largest home grown company in WNY. Wegmans. 50,000 employees.

 

I know it started in Rochester but it’s definitely WNY.

 

Paychex too.

[mrags]

25 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

You also forgot likely the largest home grown company in WNY. Wegmans. 50,000 employees.

 

I know it started in Rochester but it’s definitely WNY.

 

Paychex too.

It was an easy thing to look at wiki and find all the corporations that could have been included in the list. Here, I’ll copy for everyone that is too lazy to look at wiki. 

 

Alfred State College

Alfred University

Astronics Corporation

Aurubis

Bank of America

Blue Cross Blue Shield (Western NY headquarters)

The Buffalo News in Canalside

Computer Task Group

University at Buffalo

Canisius College

Catholic Health

Charter Communications

Citigroup

Cummins

Cutco in Olean (headquarters)

Delaware North in downtown (headquarters)

Dresser-Rand Group

DuPont

Ellicott Development Co.

Empire Genomics (headquarters)

Fisher-Price in East Aurora

Ford Motor Company (Buffalo Stamping Plant)

GEICO in Amherst

General Mills in Canalside

General Motors (Tonawanda Engine)

HSBC Bank USA in downtown

Ingram Micro

Kaleida Health

Keybank in Larkinville

Labatt Brewing Company in downtown (U.S. headquarters)

Life Storage in Williamsville, NY

Linde

Mighty Taco

Moog Inc. in East Aurora (headquarters)

M&T Bank in downtown (headquarters)

New Era Cap Company in downtown (headquarters)

National Fuel Gas in Williamsville (headquarters)

Nestlé Purina PetCare

Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center in Niagara Falls

Niagara University in Lewiston

NOCO Energy Corporation in Tonawanda(headquarters)

OnCore Golf (headquarters)

Pegula Sports and Entertainment in Canalside(headquarters)

People Inc.

Perry's Ice Cream

Rich Products (headquarters)

Republic Steel in Blasdell

Roswell Park Comprehensive Cancer Center

Seneca Gaming Corp

Seneca Niagara Casino

Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino

Seneca Allegany Casino

Saint-Gobain Corp.

Solar Liberty

Sumitomo Rubber USA LLC

Synacor (headquarters)

Tesla, Inc./SolarCity in South Buffalo (Gigafactory 2)

Tops Markets in Williamsville (headquarters)

Univera Healthcare

Wegmans

 

and that’s just Buffalo. Of course you can always add in Rochester and even closer, Niagara Falls both US and CA. Eastern Ontario is the financial hub of the entire county of Canada so there’s that. 

 

[BillsFan2313]

2 hours ago, RiotAct said:

oh man, how could I forget the Broadway Market.  They should be able to allocate the funds from Babcia’s Pierogies sales for a luxury box  at the brand-new stadium.

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

My father would have loved to have been Project Manager for something like this... he was one of those troubleshooters who was sent to a job to keep it moving and the budget reigned in. He worked on the St. Lawrence Seaway with Uhl, Hall and Rich in the late 50s and later on the Niagara Power Project in the early 80s. There is a lot of Sopranos type crap to get anything substantial built in the state of New York... my father ended up having a hunting holiday on the Rockefeller estate when he was governor LOL 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

It was an easy thing to look at wiki and find all the corporations that could have been included in the list. Here, I’ll copy for everyone that is too lazy to look at wiki. 

 

Alfred State College

Alfred University

Astronics Corporation

Aurubis

Bank of America

Blue Cross Blue Shield (Western NY headquarters)

The Buffalo News in Canalside

Computer Task Group

University at Buffalo

Canisius College

Catholic Health

Charter Communications

Citigroup

Cummins

Cutco in Olean (headquarters)

Delaware North in downtown (headquarters)

Dresser-Rand Group

DuPont

Ellicott Development Co.

Empire Genomics (headquarters)

Fisher-Price in East Aurora

Ford Motor Company (Buffalo Stamping Plant)

GEICO in Amherst

General Mills in Canalside

General Motors (Tonawanda Engine)

HSBC Bank USA in downtown

Ingram Micro

Kaleida Health

Keybank in Larkinville

Labatt Brewing Company in downtown (U.S. headquarters)

Life Storage in Williamsville, NY

Linde

Mighty Taco

Moog Inc. in East Aurora (headquarters)

M&T Bank in downtown (headquarters)

New Era Cap Company in downtown (headquarters)

National Fuel Gas in Williamsville (headquarters)

Nestlé Purina PetCare

Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center in Niagara Falls

Niagara University in Lewiston

NOCO Energy Corporation in Tonawanda(headquarters)

OnCore Golf (headquarters)

Pegula Sports and Entertainment in Canalside(headquarters)

People Inc.

Perry's Ice Cream

Rich Products (headquarters)

Republic Steel in Blasdell

Roswell Park Comprehensive Cancer Center

Seneca Gaming Corp

Seneca Niagara Casino

Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino

Seneca Allegany Casino

Saint-Gobain Corp.

Solar Liberty

Sumitomo Rubber USA LLC

Synacor (headquarters)

Tesla, Inc./SolarCity in South Buffalo (Gigafactory 2)

Tops Markets in Williamsville (headquarters)

Univera Healthcare

Wegmans

 

and that’s just Buffalo. Of course you can always add in Rochester and even closer, Niagara Falls both US and CA. Eastern Ontario is the financial hub of the entire county of Canada so there’s that. 

 

 

Do you know how many of them have luxury suites now?  

 

 

[mrags]

13 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Do you know how many of them have luxury suites now?  

 

 

I’ll go down the list of ones that I am pretty sure have suites or recently did. 
 

Blue cross

Dupont

Geico

Ingram Micro

Kaleida

Moog

M&T

New Era

Rich

Seneca Gaming has the largest box in the stadium I believe. Pretty much takes up like 2 whole sections. 
Tops

Univera

Wegmans

 

then there’s others that I know for a fact have seasons which are Atwal eyecare, and I’m sure nobody has ever heard of this company unless you are in real estate, Borman Law. But here I was just thinking only Fortune 500 companies were able to afford box suites. 

[Just Jack]

6 hours ago, RiotAct said:

WNY corporate community… let’s see…

 

Local hospitals 

M&T Bank

New Era (?)

Independent Health

Blue Cross Blue Shield of WNY

Northtown

West Herr

Ted’s Hot Dogs

William Mattar

Anderson’s Frozen Custard (RIP mama Anderson)

 

 

am I missing any?

 

Anchor Bar

Mighty Taco

 

[mrags]

46 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Do you know how many of them have luxury suites now?  

 

 

Pretty sure Ficta, Endel, and Elmer eyecare also have a suite. Also pretty sure Connor and Ferris have one. 

[BarleyNY]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

I’ll go down the list of ones that I am pretty sure have suites or recently did. 
 

Blue cross

Dupont

Geico

Ingram Micro

Kaleida

Moog

M&T

New Era

Rich

Seneca Gaming has the largest box in the stadium I believe. Pretty much takes up like 2 whole sections. 
Tops

Univera

Wegmans

 

then there’s others that I know for a fact have seasons which are Atwal eyecare, and I’m sure nobody has ever heard of this company unless you are in real estate, Borman Law. But here I was just thinking only Fortune 500 companies were able to afford box suites. 

 

I’m fairly certain that New Era doesn’t have one anymore. I was at a game this season in a suite. It was through my wife with a company in the IT world that is doing business with her. We seemed to be the token business related attendees to keep it an allowable expense. I was talking to the owner and he said he didn’t think they were going to have one in the new stadium as they expected the yearly fees to be in the $250k-$350k range. That’s just to have the rights to use the suite. Tickets and food are extra. 

[mrags]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I’m fairly certain that New Era doesn’t have one anymore. I was at a game this season in a suite. It was through my wife with a company in the IT world that is doing business with her. We seemed to be the token business related attendees to keep it an allowable expense. I was talking to the owner and he said he didn’t think they were going to have one in the new stadium as they expected the yearly fees to be in the $250k-$350k range. That’s just to have the rights to use the suite. Tickets and food are extra. 

I know Ingram Micro had one and was pretty sure it was about $250k and you had to have the food and drinks stocked as well at an extra cost. It all depends on the size of the suite. Pretty sure a few years ago you could get a smaller one for about 80k a year. I’d imagine those will go up to about 200k with the new stadium. 
 

which is why I am certain that a lot of the suite season tix holders will likely opt for club seats in the new stadium. There will be multiple tiers of club seats in the new stadium With different amenities like reclining chairs, tables, food and drink packages, etc. I think you’ll see a lot of the smaller suite holders like the small law firm I talked about, just go with clubs instead. They will cater to the new suite owners and you will like see some big names that you’ve never seen before in Buffalo taking some of those suites. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

15 hours ago, mrags said:

Pretty sure Ficta, Endel, and Elmer eyecare also have a suite. Also pretty sure Connor and Ferris have one. 

I think Corning Inc. has one

[SoMAn]

19 hours ago, RiotAct said:

oh man, how could I forget the Broadway Market.  They should be able to allocate the funds from Babcia’s Pierogies sales for a luxury box  at the brand-new stadium.

Free lamb butter in da private sweets when dey play da rams 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I think Corning Inc. has one

Think I’ve seen their name on one of the doors actually. Which points out that it doesn’t just stay in the WNY area. Corning is like 2hrs away and they have one. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

Think I’ve seen their name on one of the doors actually. Which points out that it doesn’t just stay in the WNY area. Corning is like 2hrs away and they have one. 

Ya its 20 minutes away from Horseheads. Fortune 500 co.

[HOUSE]

I drove by this morning, it's a big hole and not a worker in sight, must be one of those union jobs

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

I drove by this morning, it's a big hole and not a worker in sight, must be one of those union jobs

Saturday after thanksgiving weekend. Yeah. Must be it. 

[RobbRiddick]

19 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

I drove by this morning, it's a big hole and not a worker in sight, must be one of those union jobs

 

Apparently they hit a gas line so Terry said "ah, frack it"

[145B4IDIE]

I’m thinking Tim Hortons had a suite🤔

 

maybe I’m thinking Sabres

Edited November 26, 2023 by 145B4IDIE

[boyst]

On 10/14/2023 at 6:35 PM, Warcodered said:

Felt like we reached bottom last Sunday.

Catching up with this thread and sadly this post didn't age well 😣

[SoCal Deek]

A bit off topic but still related when considered in relation to all this talk of luxury suites. My google feed today featured two articles on football coaching/management home prices. The recently fired Defensive Coordinator for the USC Trojans is selling his home in suburban Los Angeles for $4.5 million. That article also says the Trojans Head Coach, who fired him, lives in the next door neighborhood in a home valued at $17.5 million. Whereas Brandon Beane, Bills General Manager just sold his family home in suburban Buffalo for $1.5 million.