Uniform Identity & Changes (What is behind it)

[HardyBoy]

10 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, I just perused a few to get a sense of your oeuvre. It appears pretty eclectic. I must say my sister owns several peacock and the great Flannery O'Connor did as well. I'll have to ask sister if they are as annoying as you say.

 

Haha and I also am sad of the way the world is shifting from long form meaningful content to tiny bleh "easy to consume" bleh.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I would hazard an unqualified opinion that only one major redo of a team's uniform worked in the modern NFL.  That would be Tampa Bay.

[MPL]

I am of the belief that the late 80s/early 90s were the peak of NFL uniforms. I feel very strongly that every team's best uniform existed in this era...

• The Bills' red helmets and royal blue jerseys
• Denver's blue helmet and orange jerseys
• The Seahawks' silver and royal blue
• The Eagles' kelly green and silver
• Tampa's creamsicles 
• New England's white and red
• San Diego's navy blue on navy blue (yeah, I actually like these better than white helmet and powder blues)
• The Giants' navy blue helmet and royal blue jerseys
• The Rams' royal blue and yellow
• Houston's white and light blue
• The Jaguars and their uniform abominations not yet existing

 

Then again, this is the era of football I grew up with, which is probably why I'm partial toward these uniforms. 

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

I COMPLETELY disagree with the Jets in the not traditional column... their uniform today is MUCH closer to their AFL one than the one they wore when I was growing up in the 80s/early 90s.

 

https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/a-timeline-of-the-jets-uniforms-through-the-seasons

Edited May 5, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan

[ColoradoBills]

10 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Hey! I mean really.

I did write a dissertation on Dostoevsky. Just because Russian novels are long, that's just a coincidence.

 

The punishment should fit the crime.

[Dr. Who]

53 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The punishment should fit the crime.

Ah, you Raskolnikov, you!

[T master]

I like the Red uni's as the alternative & wouldn't mind seeing them more especially at the end of the year or in the play offs if the Bills have home field because like in the Snovertime game against indy the Bills having the Red uni's was a god send they will always be able to be seen better than the Blue & especially better than the whites .

 

But i like all of the Bills uni's all Whites are sharp Not to keen on the all Blues but white top Blue bottom or visa versa are cool !! 

[Richard Noggin]

21 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Hey! I mean really.

I did write a dissertation on Dostoevsky. Just because Russian novels are long, that's just a coincidence.

 

Notes From Underground.

The Brothers Karamazov. 

Lfg.

[UConn James]

Minor nitpicks against the current unis. The biggest by far is the black outlines. There’s really NO need in the age of HDTV. The red jerseys do not have black outlines. Several teams have gotten rid of such dark outlines for the better. They appeared when the stadium exterior was painted black… crossing fingers 🤞that maybe when we move into the new stadium, that can be remedied.

 

Awaiting an announcement for the red helmets. Now that we have 17 and likely to be 18 games in the next CBA, an additional set seems fine without diluting the primary. A few teams have yet to do reveals of uni sets that we’ve heard things about since the one-shell rule ended last June, but it was either too late to do something or the supply chain had issues. Seattle, LA Rams, Tampa Bay, Titans teased an Oilers throwback this past week. We’ll see if they fill these doldrums of the year b/w schedule release and training camp with some uni reveals.

[corta765]

22 hours ago, UConn James said:

Minor nitpicks against the current unis. The biggest by far is the black outlines. There’s really NO need in the age of HDTV. The red jerseys do not have black outlines. Several teams have gotten rid of such dark outlines for the better. They appeared when the stadium exterior was painted black… crossing fingers 🤞that maybe when we move into the new stadium, that can be remedied.

 

Awaiting an announcement for the red helmets. Now that we have 17 and likely to be 18 games in the next CBA, an additional set seems fine without diluting the primary. A few teams have yet to do reveals of uni sets that we’ve heard things about since the one-shell rule ended last June, but it was either too late to do something or the supply chain had issues. Seattle, LA Rams, Tampa Bay, Titans teased an Oilers throwback this past week. We’ll see if they fill these doldrums of the year b/w schedule release and training camp with some uni reveals.

Minor note it is actual the dark blue from the 2000s not black. When they did the release in 2011 they had that as a detail. Still it looks black and really doesn’t fit

[JAMIEBUF12]

I have no problem with the 90’s unis as a throwback,but absolutely love the current uniforms.I think they are the classiest in all of football.

[HamSandwhich]

The Phins haven’t earned their stripes 

[Ya Digg?]

On 5/5/2023 at 11:39 AM, MPL said:

I am of the belief that the late 80s/early 90s were the peak of NFL uniforms. I feel very strongly that every team's best uniform existed in this era...

• The Bills' red helmets and royal blue jerseys
• Denver's blue helmet and orange jerseys
• The Seahawks' silver and royal blue
• The Eagles' kelly green and silver
• Tampa's creamsicles 
• New England's white and red
• San Diego's navy blue on navy blue (yeah, I actually like these better than white helmet and powder blues)
• The Giants' navy blue helmet and royal blue jerseys
• The Rams' royal blue and yellow
• Houston's white and light blue
• The Jaguars and their uniform abominations not yet existing

 

Then again, this is the era of football I grew up with, which is probably why I'm partial toward these uniforms. 

 

 

See this is where all the uniform stuff shows it’s very subjective (and ridiculous when people argue in absolutes about uniforms)-I think Denver’s current uniform is a million times better than the old one, I like Seattle’s current one better, i feel Tampa and New England’s old unis are terrible…

some I agree with you on, others I would change

[Fleezoid]

The "NoSleeveStripes" guy...

 

 

[The Jokeman]

On 5/4/2023 at 7:35 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Wait, not everyone has 5 or 6 Josh Allen jerseys already?

 

1. Blue

2. Red

3. White

4. Throwback Wyoming 

5. Formal Event Jersey (For fancy events, like going out for wings)

6. High School

 

I thought this was the basic setup?

No Reedley jersey? Amateur

[Gregg]

On 5/5/2023 at 11:43 AM, EasternOHBillsFan said:

I COMPLETELY disagree with the Jets in the not traditional column... their uniform today is MUCH closer to their AFL one than the one they wore when I was growing up in the 80s/early 90s.

 

https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/a-timeline-of-the-jets-uniforms-through-the-seasons

 

The Jets need to go back to these uniforms. What they have been wearing these past few seasons looks like crap.

 

 

[Don Otreply]

The reality here is that the “league” wants uniformity, same jerseys outside of team colors and logo, it’s the McDonalds theory, in which you know what you’re going to get no matter what location the store is in, or in this case, what NFL City the team is in. It shows a severe need to control, and a severe lack of imagination, jmo. 

[LeGOATski]

9 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

The Jets need to go back to these uniforms. What they have been wearing these past few seasons looks like crap.

 

 

I'd rather they look like crap

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

The reality here is that the “league” wants uniformity, same jerseys outside of team colors and logo, it’s the McDonalds theory, in which you know what you’re going to get no matter what location the store is in, or in this case, what NFL City the team is in. It shows a severe need to control, and a severe lack of imagination, jmo. 

The NFL brand is already super well-established. You can count on there being more uniform variance in the future.

[Don Otreply]

37 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I'd rather they look like crap

The NFL brand is already super well-established. You can count on there being more uniform variance in the future.

This begs the question, why do teams not get to use what uniform designs they want without over regulation? sleave stripes, collars etc…, 

[corta765]

12 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This begs the question, why do teams not get to use what uniform designs they want without over regulation? sleeve stripes, collars etc…, 

 

They do but truthfully they sell more when it is different from something they have worn a lot. If you think about it minor changes don't force change, but get brand new unis and you may get more fans to buy them. If you win in said unis even if they suck in appearance it definitely becomes a bigger sell.

[LeGOATski]

23 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

This begs the question, why do teams not get to use what uniform designs they want without over regulation? sleave stripes, collars etc…, 

It looks like we're gonna get more variation, like the other leagues do, but one limit the NFL has is the number of games. They can only do so much with 17 games. And the league makes the contract with whatever clothing company they choose. I don't see that falling to the team level ever again.

[Don Otreply]

9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

It looks like we're gonna get more variation, like the other leagues do, but one limit the NFL has is the number of games. They can only do so much with 17 games. And the league makes the contract with whatever clothing company they choose. I don't see that falling to the team level ever again.

With a years notice in can be doable 

[jethro_tull]

Leave 'em alone ! 

 

 

[Yockopondowsk]

The red helmets only looked good with the white jerseys.  

[May Day 10]

I would consider minnesota and maybe new Orleans as traditional.

 

I'd also hear an argument for Houston.  

[Rubes]

On 5/3/2023 at 2:39 PM, corta765 said:

A popular topic around these parts is the Bills doing a throwback to the 90s blue unis and red helmets which in turn brings up why we do not see more uniforms or changes by the Bills in general. As someone who regular reads about the process of uni changes and everything that goes into it I thought I would share what factors the team, NIKE, and NFL wise regular play a role in this.

 

To start you can basically divide the league into three branches in terms of uniform style; traditional, not traditional, and mixed appearance which are teams that may have some traditional looks they either have blended or moved away from but the elements still are there. I would break the teams out like this:

 

Traditional look: BUF, CHI, CLE, CIN, DAL, GB, IND, KC, LAC, LV, NYG, PIT, SF

Not traditional look: ATL, BAL, CAR, DEN, HOU, NYJ, NOLA, PHI, SEA, TEN

Mixed: ARZ, DET, JAX, LAR, MIN, MIA, NE, TB, WSH

 

How those teams end up in those categories is interesting as a variety of things are at play. Classic long term franchises like PIT, GB, CHI, KC, etc will never significantly alter what they wear as that is their brand and look come hell or high water. BUF/CLE/CIN have all smartly returned to classic style uniforms after moving for a while to newer "modern" looks that really never fit. On the flipside teams like SEA, NE, & DEN all had very nice traditional looks, BUT the rings came in what you see right now. A lot of Denver fans do not mind their current look apparently because that was what their titles came in. For the Patriots the classic Pat the Patriot look is wonderful, but Brady and crew won six in the blue Elvis patriot look so I doubt they ever fully move away. Some teams like Minnesota have successfully mixed a traditional flair with a modern approach while Miami has had middling results and other franchises like the Rams have left a far superior jersey on the table for the trash sorry "modern" look they have now. Modern doesn't mean bad as BAL/PHI/NOLA/TB all have very solid looks that are not traditional, but as we've all seen many times modern goes off the rails.

 

Today's NFL teams are corporations in a nut shell. The brand is everything which is why some of the more creative logos and looks have passed for dull "modern" attempts. Any time a team decides to move to something new its a multi year process that goes through the NFL. Even if Buffalo wants the red helmet and blue jersey from the 90s as a third you are looking at 2-3 years to actually get it on the field between approvals and then sourcing. Last season the Bills did not wear their AFL white unis and I partially believe that is because the submitted a request to the league to move to the red helmets on an alternate basis. The Bucs would've had their popular creamsicle look last year but the supply shortage caused it to be delayed a year. When a new uniform is brought out it is five years before a team can start anew for something else. If that team wins a title in that time I can guarantee any plans they have on made changing or altering things will be delayed. 

 

One of the other things that has slowed down or stopped popular uniforms like the Eagles Kelly green is the NFLs one shell rule. Back around 2011 the NFL made it mandatory that players use the same helmet at all times for safety reasons. That in turn eliminated the ability for one off helmets until this last year when the NFL finally modified the policy to bring in another helmet as long as it passed the safety tests. This should open up teams to be able to wear multiple looks again. 

 

Finally the NFL uniform provider NIKE plays the other major role in this. NIKE rarely does things traditional if they have the opportunity. If the entire league was traditional 32 teams across it hurts NIKE. Whether you liked Atlanta's divisive look that came out or not it brings NIKE to the forefront with something different which keeps the brand out front. I have thought for a while the NFL will eventually go the way of college football where teams can wear many combinations and looks as it is an additional revenue source for the league and NIKE.

 

Let me know your thoughts on this and anything you may have to add

 

Sorry if I missed this, but just curious why you would consider TB "mixed"?