RD 1, Pick 25: TE Dalton Kincaid, Utah

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Everyone, and I mean everyone, went into this draft saying Josh needed more playmakers to keep pace with the Chiefs, Bengals, etc.  So they draft one and what do we now hear?  Negativity.  This place is hysterical sometimes.

We get the playmaker then it defaults to "but but but .... Dorsey won't use him properly!"  It actually is comical

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Some of the same people in this thread who knocked Mike Gesicki for being a big WR and not much of a blocker are praising Kincaid for being the same. Funny what a Bills jersey will do for the perception of a player. 

If you told me yesterday morning that we had signed Mike Gesicki at a rookie level deal I might have orgasmed on the spot. 

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yep they are trying to create a mismatch situation and Mayer doesn't do that. It seems like they have a specific strategy for this. 

 

 

The league clearly disagrees. It seems like Dallas would have taken Kincaid if the Bills didn't and Mayer is still on the board. 

The league also clearly disagreed on Brady for 6 rounds. Also clearly disagreed on AJ Brown, etc etc. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yep they are trying to create a mismatch situation and Mayer doesn't do that. It seems like they have a specific strategy for this. 

 

 

The league clearly disagrees. It seems like Dallas would have taken Kincaid if the Bills didn't and Mayer is still on the board. 

 

Beane specifically talked about this.  He was saying in a traditional 12, we'd usually be met with a team's base D.  With Kincaid on the field with Knox, that's almost going to force the D to play nickel.

 

When you are able to force a D to play a certain way, that more often than not creates mismatches either against the pass or against the run.

[QLBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

If you told me yesterday morning that we had signed Mike Gesicki at a rookie level deal I might have orgasmed on the spot. 

MG gashed the Bills apart on a regular basis. I’m very excited we have potentially a better version of him. This is better than all WR other than maybe one from this draft. 

Edited April 28, 2023 by QLBillsFan

[MrEpsYtown]

7 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

I get it now...love the pick for personal reasons! 

 

 

This is good stuff: 

 

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1872048059600396

 

And his "first draft" video: 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/first-draft-dalton-kincaid

Edited April 28, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The league also clearly disagreed on Brady for 6 rounds. Also clearly disagreed on AJ Brown, etc etc. 

 

So now you're contradicting yourself.

 

You're saying there's no way of knowing what a player might turn into, yet here you are acting like you have Kincaid all figured out and he's a bust before ever playing a down.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Billz4ever

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

absolutely love the pick

 

TE is the most under rated position in the game

 

Top 4 TE's

#1- Kelse SB Winner

#2- Kittle  Conf Champion....derailed by QB injury

#3- Andrews probably beats cincy if lamar healthy

#4- Goedert  SB finalist

In Philly the last few years they absolutely get Dallas Goddard in the mix while still having AJ Brown and DaVonte Smith on the outside. During their super bowl run Zach Ertz was one of their top 3 pass catchers and people were creaming themselves on this board for an older version of him about a year ago. That's the comparison NFL.com has on Kincaid

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

So weird that a fanbase that watched a full season of red zone struggles would even complain about drafting a good tight end let alone the best one 

Probably just upset it’s not Isaiah Hodgebs

[Milanos Milano]

I will cut Beane a lot of slack if there is more to this plan. Kincaid makes a million times more sense if we end up landing Hopkins. 
 

Diggs

Hopkins

Kincaid 

 

 

That grouping would make so much more sense rather than a

 

Diggs 

Davis 

Kincaid 

[Dopey]

15 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I never said he wasn’t.

 

But for us not to question him and just blindly agree with everything he does would be foolish.

 

Wouldn’t you agree?

Fair enough. I got the feeling from your post, you felt he wasn't. IMO, Beane is one of the top GM's in the league and I was just pointing out how every GM has hits and misses. Even KC with the Clyde Edwards-Helaire pick. He was a 1st round pick and was replaced by a 7th round pick. KC got a lot of credit here for the Pacheco pick, forgetting(conveniently) that he replaced a huge miss by KC with their Clyde pick in the 1st round.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

 

So now you're contradicting yourself.

 

You're saying there's no way of knowing what a player might turn into, yet here you are acting like you have Kincaid all figured out and he's a bust before ever playing a down.

I didn’t say he was a bust, I said he’s a Gesicki. 

[MWK]

45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Do every GM with your same negative attitude and see how they hold up. You might find 2 maybe 3 that has done better. But you dont want that perspective, you wouldnt be able to complain.

 

Fine, maybe I am too negative. But his overall draft record is not good. 

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I will cut Beane a lot of slack if there is more to this plan. Kincaid makes a million times more sense if we end up landing Hopkins. 
 

Diggs

Hopkins

Kincaid 

 

 

That grouping would make so much more sense rather than a

 

Diggs 

Davis 

Kincaid 

 

Why are you leaving Knox off this list?  

 

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I didn’t say he was a bust, I said he’s a Gesicki. 

 

OK, and?

 

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Thrivefourfive]

I always fear there’s too much buy in to the “character” type guy. Kincaid appears to be an A+ human being. Hope he’s an A NFL football player. 

[MrEpsYtown]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The league also clearly disagreed on Brady for 6 rounds. Also clearly disagreed on AJ Brown, etc etc. 

 

Yeah I get that, but right now the league thinks Kincaid is better. Who knows what they turn into. 

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I will cut Beane a lot of slack if there is more to this plan. Kincaid makes a million times more sense if we end up landing Hopkins. 
 

Diggs

Hopkins

Kincaid 

 

 

That grouping would make so much more sense rather than a

 

Diggs 

Davis 

Kincaid 

DHop yes better than Davis but it’s not happening. Adding Kincaid frees up Diggs who demands 10 targets per game. DHop impacts that along w a massive cap hit. BB has determined the deal can’t get done. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah I get that, but right now the league thinks Kincaid is better. Who knows what they turn into. 

 

Well let's put it this way...if he was as smart as he thinks he is, he'd have been in a team's war room last night making picks instead of complaining about who the Bills took on TBD.  🤣

[aristocrat]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I didn’t say he was a bust, I said he’s a Gesicki. 

Jimmy graham lined up wide more than he did at tight end. Maybe we use him like that? 

[QLBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I always fear there’s too much buy in to the “character” type guy. Kincaid appears to be an A+ human being. Hope he’s an A NFL football player. 

Well he’s rated a top 10 player in this draft. He’s a player that changes D strategy. He happens apparently to be a good kid. The Eagles took him off their board according to insiders 😂

[syhuang]

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I didn’t say he was a bust, I said he’s a Gesicki. 

 

And you still contradict yourself when saying Kincaid is a Gesicki.

 

You said there's no way of knowing what a player might turn into and used Brady as an example, but then you said Kincaid would turn into a Gesicki before he evens plays a NFL down.

 

Make up your mind, is there a way to know what a player will turn into NOW before he plays in a NFL game or even after plays few NFL games? Pick one answer and stick to it, don't contradict yourself again and again.

 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Jimmy graham lined up wide more than he did at tight end. Maybe we use him like that? 

 

Beane already said that's what they're doing with him.

 

He said think Cole Beasley-type in a different package. We need guys that can read a zone, get open, and catch the dang ball.

[aristocrat]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

 

Beane already said that's what they're doing with him.

 

He said think Cole Beasley-type in a different package. We need guys that can read a zone, get open, and catch the dang ball.

Didn’t see beanes comments. Glad him and I are on the same page

[US Egg]

This much excitement about an iffy TE prospect?

 

Yeah, Gronk, Kelce and Ertz like he already is comparable to.

 

🤪

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

This much excitement about an iffy TE prospect?

 

Yeah, Gronk, Kelce and Ertz like he already is comparable to.

 

🤪

 

 

 

 

 

 

Iffy? 
 

 

[LEBills]

24 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Kincaid isn’t Kelce, he’s Gesicki. 

Kincaid is actually a much more complete receiver than Gesicki was coming out of the draft. Kuntz is actually the Gesicki comp - an athletic receiving tight end that doesn’t block and basically just runs seam and fade routes.
 

Kincaid is a player who can go up the seam sure but he also is great at the option routes that kill zone defenses underneath which is why the Kelce comparisons get thrown around (though he is not the athlete Kelce is). He is a pretty complete receiver which is why he is so highly regarded and he will still be a much better blocker than most receivers. He is the only tight end I would have been ok drafting this high because when I was doing my pre-draft review he did all those little things for Utah that Beasley did but with some ability to generate bigger plays up the field. To me the player isn’t in questions, it’s whether he is fully healthy which all reports are he is and whether the Bills give him enough volume.

[US Egg]

10 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Iffy? 
 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Iffy? 

Heard a lot of him being the Next Noah Fant, that ain’t saying much.

 

If, he were to beat out Dawson Knox, in the very near future as a starting TE, which wouldn’t take too much, then maybe he was worth the reach. I say Knox has no worries about fulfilling his contract here.

 

Long list of flop 1st rd. TE’s. I ain’t got time to list them but there’s plenty at this very limited position.

Edited April 28, 2023 by I am the egg man

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Jimmy graham lined up wide more than he did at tight end. Maybe we use him like that? 

It’s possible. I don’t necessarily hate the Kincaid pick and want to put that out there. I just don’t see it helping much unless we have a plan at WR2. If we can’t land Hopkins, then the Kincaid pick seems a little strange. 
We already have Shakir primed for the slot. 
 

I would have been happier with a trade down into the 2nd round. Grabbing Avila and then grabbing Hyatt with a packaged up move. 
Avila/Hyatt  >  Kincaid/ Dawand Jones 

[CorkScrewHill]

Skip is an idiot .. but nice to see him whining. Shannon as a fellow TE really liked the pick.

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I likely would have traded down and target Avila and Sanders in the 2nd. Assuming we traded for Hopkins, who I want more than Hyatt. 

Traded down with who?  There weren’t any trade downs after ours.  Worst GM ever

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

Kincaid is actually a much more complete receiver than Gesicki was coming out of the draft. Kuntz is actually the Gesicki comp - an athletic receiving tight end that doesn’t block and basically just runs seam and fade routes.
 

Kincaid is a player who can go up the seam sure but he also is great at the option routes that kill zone defenses underneath which is why the Kelce comparisons get thrown around (though he is not the athlete Kelce is). He is a pretty complete receiver which is why he is so highly regarded and he will still be a much better blocker than most receivers. He is the only tight end I would have been ok drafting this high because when I was doing my pre-draft review he did all those little things for Utah that Beasley did but with some ability to generate bigger plays up the field. To me the player isn’t in questions, it’s whether he is fully healthy which all reports are he is and whether the Bills give him enough volume.

IMB is on a jihad. I don't think there is talking sense into him on this.

 

But for real between Gesicki and Ertz comparisons (not to mention some "poor man's Kelce) ones I've been hearing, if we get 75% in his rookie year that makes him the second best pass catcher on this roster

[PrimeTime101]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-troll-skip-bayless-over-dalton-kincaid-pick/ar-AA1asrSQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5f18c961b557418d974db921c2ab7a82&ei=13

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Traded down with who?  There weren’t any trade downs after ours.  Worst GM ever

Ask Beane, he said if Kincaid wasn’t there he would have traded down. Who would he have traded down with? 

[Maynard]

Chris Sims take on Kincaid

Edited April 28, 2023 by Maynard

[Nephilim17]

29 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

I get it now...love the pick for personal reasons! 

 

 

Me too. I have an autistic kid so that made me smile.

 

I NEVER want to draft a good guy who is not a good player but Dalton really seems like both. 

[Beck Water]

Chuck Pollock has Jumped the Shark:

 

https://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/what-were-bills-thinking-taking-a-tight-end/article_194ac0ad-52d5-5069-b417-471ba096d058.html

 

13 hours ago, MWK said:

Ken Dorsey can’t use one tight end, why do we need two? Great job blowing a pick for him too Beane.

 

Chuck?  Chuck, is that you?

[Mango]

12 hours ago, BuffaloBob said:

Get a grip. The guy is a big tall slot weapon with the best hands in the draft.  He’s a slot guy with the opposite body type of Beasley. He will contribute immediately. 

 

Huh, I was commenting on the poster who said all Dawson Knox does is block. That was my correction, that Dawson Knox is not primarily a blocker in this offense. 

What would you like me to get a grip on? 

[MrEpsYtown]

Beane said he is going to play the F. It's like the off ball move tight end that we see so much now. He could be the wing outside the Y, he could be in the backfield. He could be flexed out on the line. He could be in the slot. I love it. 

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

 

Heard a lot of him being the Next Noah Fant, that ain’t saying much.

 

If, or when he beats out Dawson Knox, in the very near future as a starting TE, which wouldn’t take too much, then maybe he was worth the reach.

 

You obviously didn't listen to Beane talk about the pick.  I suggest you do.

 

Kincaid and Knox aren't going to be in competition for the traditional TE spot because that's not the role Kincaid is going to play in the offense.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Nephilim17]

Daniel Jeremiah’s No. 9 overall player in draft
Ahead of Buffalo’s pick being announced, NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah gave the league a warning.

“If this league allows Dalton Kincaid to go play with Josh Allen it’s probably going to get what it deserves.”
 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2023/04/who-is-dalton-kincaid-buffalo-bills-got-a-guy-in-the-travis-kelce-mold-5-things-to-know.html

 

After years of reaching for a top pick, it finally looks like we got a steal. I'm so stoked. 

For all the people saying we don't need this and Josh needs a deep threat, remember how well Josh played with a still-good Beasley. This will help Josh make fewer WTF hero ball plays and move the chains more and be a terror to opposing Ds n the red zone.