New stadium cost goes up from $1.4 billion to $1.54 billion.

[JoPoy88]

27 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With much respect. The nuances of various regions are sometimes difficult to comprehend. There’s a significant difference between the east and west bay side. I’m sure it doesn’t seem like much from WNY, but do not try and tell somebody from the Bay Area that they’re the same. 
 

And as you correctly pointed out, the A’s and Raiders will now have both moved out of State, not just out of the metro area. Further still, if memory serves, the San Jose Sharks are NOT the old California Seals. I believe they are a totally new franchise.

The Seals are not the Sharks no. The Seals ended their existence in Cleveland, which is doubly depressing.

[KeLLy1278]

Just keep the old stadium and save the entire amount.  Being responsible fiscally is where it’s at.  Mike drop.

[JoPoy88]

9 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Just keep the old stadium and save the entire amount.  Being responsible fiscally is where it’s at.  Mike drop.

Yeah just stay there until it crumbles into dust why not.

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

With much respect. The nuances of various regions are sometimes difficult to comprehend. There’s a significant difference between the east and west bay side. I’m sure it doesn’t seem like much from WNY, but do not try and tell somebody from the Bay Area that they’re the same. 
 

And as you correctly pointed out, the A’s and Raiders will now have both moved out of State, not just out of the metro area. Further still, if memory serves, the San Jose Sharks are NOT the old California Seals. I believe they are a totally new franchise.

 

I haven't equated even once SF and Oakland as cities, so there's no juice for you there.

 

I've simply said that the Warriors are a regional team , not Oakland's team, and they moved to the to the side of the bridge.   Oakland natives can go watch "their" team there.  They didn't lose an NBA team.

 

As for the Sharks, they'll do.  The Golden Seals folded 50 years ago because no one in Oakland would watch  a professional hockey game.  Now, if they like, they can head to San Jose to watch the regions NHL team.

 

As for the Shark Seals connection, the Seals owner moved them to Cleveland to become the Barons.  The Barons merged with the Minn North Stars. The same guy owned this conglomerated team and asked the NHL to move back to the Bay Area, this was denied.  He ultimately sold his share of the North Stars and got awarded an expansion team to....San Jose.  So there's that.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I haven't equated even once SF and Oakland as cities, so there's no juice for you there.

 

I've simply said that the Warriors are a regional team , not Oakland's team, and they moved to the to the side of the bridge.   Oakland natives can go watch "their" team there.  They didn't lose an NBA team.

 

As for the Sharks, they'll do.  The Golden Seals folded 50 years ago because no one in Oakland would watch  a professional hockey game.  Now, if they like, they can head to San Jose to watch the regions NHL team.

 

As for the Shark Seals connection, the Seals owner moved them to Cleveland to become the Barons.  The Barons merged with the Minn North Stars. The same guy owned this conglomerated team and asked the NHL to move back to the Bay Area, this was denied.  He ultimately sold his share of the North Stars and got awarded an expansion team to....San Jose.  So there's that.

I have to hand it to you. You REALLY like to argue a simple point to death. Sheeesh

[Mr. WEO]

45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I have to hand it to you. You REALLY like to argue a simple point to death. Sheeesh

 

As I said, just making corrections.

[SoCal Deek]

35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

As I said, just making corrections.

So you’re saying it’s not true that Oakland used to have four teams playing in Oakland and soon there will be none? I’ll let my Oakland office know….I’m sure they’ll be surprised. 😉

[TBBills Fan]

did it go up for the dome?

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I have to hand it to you. You REALLY like to argue a simple point to death. Sheeesh

Classic Weo.  Just endless arguing. 

[Mr. WEO]

50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So you’re saying it’s not true that Oakland used to have four teams playing in Oakland and soon there will be none? I’ll let my Oakland office know….I’m sure they’ll be surprised. 😉

 

 

They haven't lost the Warriors--any more than SF lost the 49rs.  They were never the Oakland Warriors (but they were the SF Warriors).  

 

They lost the Raiders (twice) and now the A's. 

 

Remind the Oakland office of these facts. 

14 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Classic Weo.  Just endless arguing. 

 

 

Takes 2

[SoCal Deek]

52 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Classic Weo.  Just endless arguing. 

Literally unbelievable. 

[K-9]

7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

The Seals are not the Sharks no. The Seals ended their existence in Cleveland, which is doubly depressing.

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Weo….we’ve now established that you’re not from California. Oakland and San Francisco are most definitely not the same place. This is a significant blow to what was once a second tier major league city. 

I don’t know about that if it is a significant blow anymore today the Oakland Athletics and Oakland Raiders fans can catch there team in San Francisco when they play the Giants and 49ers. I can watch the Buffalo Braves in both Toronto and Cleveland. Golden State Warriors is over the Golden Gate Bridge. This was all political and business leaders wanting something else for Oakland with the land that the Oakland Athletics desired to build there ballpark. Just like the Buffalo Braves we fans had zero to do with the decision. The people in positions of power just tell us what they think is good for us. Again Oakland Athletics fans still can root for the Las Vegas Athletics if they choose too.

[mrags]

15 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

They will need a roof. Could you imagine playing baseball especially in June, July, and August outside in Vegas. Nothing like running around in 120-degree weather.

When I lived there from 04-06 we set a record one summer of straight days over 110 degrees and straight days over 115 degrees. I think it was like 30 something days of 110+ and like 15ish days of 115+. Pretty crazy. I remember looking like a well done Applebees steak. 

[LabattBlue]

So what do we know about the new stadium except for some giant Buffalo’s outside of the stadium, a canopy over the cheap seats, and some dumb “freeze baby” flags(please tell me these never make the final cut?).     
 

When do we get a virtual tour?

[Captain Caveman]

On 4/20/2023 at 2:15 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Takes 2

 

Yes but have you ever noticed that you are inevitably 1 of the 2?

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Yes but have you ever noticed that you are inevitably 1 of the 2?

 

It takes a village to keep him busy! 

[mrags]

48 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

So what do we know about the new stadium except for some giant Buffalo’s outside of the stadium, a canopy over the cheap seats, and some dumb “freeze baby” flags(please tell me these never make the final cut?).     
 

When do we get a virtual tour?

I was told the reps from Legends should be contacting season tix holders by the spring/summer and you should be able to start your virtual process around that time in the Tony Walker center. As far as publicly I have no clue what they plan. 

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, mrags said:

I was told the reps from Legends should be contacting season tix holders by the spring/summer and you should be able to start your virtual process around that time in the Tony Walker center. As far as publicly I have no clue what they plan. 

 

Is it like finishing a house? Do you get to pick your own dome? 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

Yes but have you ever noticed that you are inevitably 1 of the 2?

 

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

It takes a village to keep him busy! 

 

Swatting down BS is a never ending task!

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Swatting down BS is a never ending task!

 

As is spreading it. See? It really takes a village!  😋

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Augie said:

 

As is spreading it. See? It really takes a village!  😋

 

Just the facts, ma'am...

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Swatting down BS is a never ending task!

Weo….I came on and gave a current event update on actual facts about the Oakland As new stadium. Seemed like a thread about stadium budgets was the place to post it. No BS….just facts that I thought people would find interesting. Especially about the cost, capacity and retractable roof.  I’m not sure what prompted you to take the conversation in a really odd direction. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Weo….I came on and gave a current event update on actual facts about the Oakland As new stadium. Seemed like a thread about stadium budgets was the place to post it. No BS….just facts that I thought people would find interesting. Especially about the cost, capacity and retractable roof.  I’m not sure what prompted you to take the conversation in a really odd direction. 

 

It initially was the claim that workers already working in NYS would be adding to NYS taxes and goods and services by working on a stadium.  I kept asking how that could be so and you chose not to answer.  It was a simple, not odd question, which I repeated, that's all. You attach to it all sorts of assumptions about my ?politics over this, which you discovered were incorrect.  Nothing odd with any of this.

 

...plus the dubious (at best) claim that Oakland "lost" the Warriors (when they moved across a bridge)! 

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It initially was the claim that workers already working in NYS would be adding to NYS taxes and goods and services by working on a stadium.  I kept asking how that could be so and you chose not to answer.  It was a simple, not odd question, which I repeated, that's all. You attach to it all sorts of assumptions about my ?politics over this, which you discovered were incorrect.  Nothing odd with any of this.

 

...plus the dubious (at best) claim that Oakland "lost" the Warriors (when they moved across a bridge)! 

My post was about the Oakland stadium COST and ROOF. I figured you of all people would find it interesting. But nope! Just more arguing over nothing.

[mrags]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Is it like finishing a house? Do you get to pick your own dome? 

It’s like franchise, owner mode in Madden. So basically. Unfortunately, just like the crappy stadium we’re gonna get, it’s the same 3-4 computer generated designs they make you use and are never happy with. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im joking. Calm down people. 

[The Wiz]

New rendering are on the way!

 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/human-interest/2023/04/21/depew-middle-school-students-design-new-bills-stadium-with-video-game?cid=id-app15_m-share_s-web_cmp-app_launch_august2020_c-producer_posts_po-organic#

 

 

[PBF81]

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

New rendering are on the way!

 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/human-interest/2023/04/21/depew-middle-school-students-design-new-bills-stadium-with-video-game?cid=id-app15_m-share_s-web_cmp-app_launch_august2020_c-producer_posts_po-organic#

 

Their renderings can easily be better than what's been provided to date.  

 

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It initially was the claim that workers already working in NYS would be adding to NYS taxes and goods and services by working on a stadium.  I kept asking how that could be so and you chose not to answer.  It was a simple, not odd question, which I repeated, that's all. You attach to it all sorts of assumptions about my ?politics over this, which you discovered were incorrect.  Nothing odd with any of this.

 

...plus the dubious (at best) claim that Oakland "lost" the Warriors (when they moved across a bridge)! 

The Golden State Warriors went across the bridge fine. But Oakland area leaders don’t get the benefit of the doubt when you lose a NFL and a MLB franchise since 2019 that is just incompetent or corrupt leadership or both. I would look into if Oakland area political leaders took campaign contributions from the San Francisco 49ers and San Francisco Giants ownership in anyway who greatly benefited in a one team Bay Area town? From a television and sponsorship way that no one in the media is looking into. Journalism is terrible today the public interest forget it that went away a long time ago. I don’t know what happened I don’t live in Oakland but something funny happened there? Either that or some kind of corrupt land grab with either the port or the Coliseum land that crook politicians in the mayor’s office or the Oakland council benefit? That news conference by the Oakland mayor’s office was pathetic it was a dog and pony show with her allies congratulating each other blaming the Oakland Athletics pathetic. Even San Diego were able to at least keep the San Diego Padres. 

[SoCal Deek]

FYI: Tennessee just topped the new Bills stadium for public funding. The State and City are investing a combined total of $1.2 BILLION into the new Titans Stadium which is projected to cost close to $2.1 BULLION. 
 

Apparently the Bills are now trendsetters! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

FYI: Tennessee just topped the new Bills stadium for public funding. The State and City are investing a combined total of $1.2 BILLION into the new Titans Stadium which is projected to cost close to $2.1 BULLION. 
 

Apparently the Bills are now trendsetters! 

$500 million more. One thing to note is the Titans stadium is only 25 years old, Bills stadium is 50 years old. 

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Remember all the agita over "the largest taxpayer subsidy in history" over the $850MM New York State gave the Bills? Tennessee just eclipsed us: $1.26B!

 

From the Athletic (paywall)

https://theathletic.com/4449753/2023/04/25/titans-stadium-nashville-public-funds?source=user-shared-article

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 4/20/2023 at 11:27 AM, JoPoy88 said:

The Seals are not the Sharks no. The Seals ended their existence in Cleveland, which is doubly depressing.

 

Technically, the Barons were merged with the North Stars. Then somehow un-merged to create the Sharks. So in a weird way the Sharks are related to the Seals.

 

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/from-seals-to-sharks/c-474690

 

 Sent with @NHL

On 4/20/2023 at 10:59 AM, SoCal Deek said:

. Further still, if memory serves, the San Jose Sharks are NOT the old California Seals. I believe they are a totally new franchise.

 

On 4/20/2023 at 11:30 AM, KeLLy1278 said:

Just keep the old stadium and save the entire amount.  Being responsible fiscally is where it’s at.  Mike drop.

 

Okay.

Edited April 26, 2023 by PromoTheRobot

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Technically, the Barons were merged with the North Stars. Then somehow un-merged to create the Sharks. So in a weird way the Sharks are related to the Seals.

 

 

https://www.nhl.com/news/from-seals-to-sharks/c-474690

 

 Sent with @NHL

Funny story…we had a table top hockey game when we were kids. Played it for hours on end. Ours came with the Seals as one of the two teams. 🙄 As kids we didn’t even know who the Seals were! 

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Funny story…we had a table top hockey game when we were kids. Played it for hours on end. Ours came with the Seals as one of the two teams. 🙄 As kids we didn’t even know who the Seals were! 

My first game was Dec 1970 vs Golden Seals at Aud

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, nucci said:

My first game was Dec 1970 vs Golden Seals at Aud

 

I wanted a Seals jersey for Christmas back then, because I was a weird kid. But good luck finding any NHL apparel back then that wasn't the Leafs or Habs.

[May Day 10]

The Sharks were just an expansion franchise.

[KDIGGZ]

32 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Remember all the agita over "the largest taxpayer subsidy in history" over the $850MM New York State gave the Bills? Tennessee just eclipsed us: $1.26B!

 

From the Athletic (paywall)

https://theathletic.com/4449753/2023/04/25/titans-stadium-nashville-public-funds?source=user-shared-article

 

They are getting value for their dollar by bringing more business to their downtown. We are bringing more business to...middle of nowhere town of Orchard Park. Those mud parking lots and dive bars will really prosper, hurray!

[May Day 10]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

They are getting value for their dollar by bringing more business to their downtown. We are bringing more business to...middle of nowhere town of Orchard Park. Those mud parking lots and dive bars will really prosper, hurray!

 

It is a part of an already vibrant and affluent downtown scene in a city that has quickly become one of the hottest destinations in the country.  Horse before the cart there.  Need to get the other stuff rolling like actual major commerce downtown, and people working, living, and shopping there.

[SoCal Deek]

Back to the topic somewhat…if you’ve ever flown into Oakland for a Raiders game (it’s ugly) you’ll know that the stadium and arena are very close to the airport and sit in the same parking lot, right next to the freeway. If memory serves, they finally extended the light rail line (BART) over to the airport so you didn’t have to hop on a bus to get to the stadium from your flight. With the Athletics, Raiders and Warriors all now gone, I’ve gotta believe some are saying ‘what the heck’ was that rail line for? The money would’ve been better spent improving the sports venues and keeping the teams. Sheeesh.