Good perspective on how good we were last year

[Dopey]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Who cares about the regular season record when the Bills were the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl?

 

Welcome to top tier team status.  The standards are high.

I do. It was a hell of a season. Sucks some can't appreciate it.

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, Dopey said:

I do. It was a hell of a season. Sucks some can't appreciate it.

Just wait until we have a actual down year

The same, entitled fans are going to lose their ***** minds

Edited April 7, 2023 by John from Riverside

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Only 6 times over the last 3 seasons has a team finished 13-3 or better. Packers and Eagles each did it once, KC & Buffalo are the only 2 to do it twice. Yet there are fans on here saying that those seasons aren't great. We also have the 2nd best record over the last 3 years, only trailing KC. Yeah, top 7% isn't great lol.

 

 

 

Your point about KC being the key.  
 

To me, a great regular season means getting the 1 seed.  We have yet to do that. 
 

The 1 seed is the AFC is massive.  Not just a big deal … massive.  The one recent year KC didn’t get the 1, they were the 2, with the weakest 1 seed ever in Tennessee inevitably bowing out to give KC the de facto 1 in regards to home field. 

Edited April 7, 2023 by SCBills

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Who cares about the regular season record when the Bills were the odds on favorite to win the Super Bowl?

 

Welcome to top tier team status.  The standards are high.

 

 Only twice since the start of the 2009 season has the "odds on favorite" entering week 1 gone on to win the Super Bowl. Doesn't happen often, only 14% of the time.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Just wait until we have a actual down year

The same, entitled fans are going to lose their ***** minds

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

A wiseman once said "Show me the baby"

Weren’t there THREE wisemen? 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Bills are a great regular season team! 😇

And I'm starting to get the impression most Bills fans are OK with that. "Just entertain me", they say.  "Don't you remember the drought", they say.  Yes it's amazing to win 10-13 games every year.  But once the playoffs start things start going upside down. I'm not willing to waste a generational qb just to be "regular season" champs.  Figure it out Derm.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Your point about KC being the key.  
 

To me, a great regular season means getting the 1 seed.  We have yet to do that. 
 

The 1 seed is the AFC is massive.  Not just a big deal … massive.  The one recent year KC didn’t get the 1, they were the 2, with the weakest 1 seed ever in Tennessee inevitably bowing out to give KC the de facto 1 in regards to home field. 

 

 First off I get that's your opinion, you've voiced it several times now. Secondly you are mixing up the meaning of the words "great" and "the best". You don't need to be the best at something to still be considered great. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. Top 7% in anything is not considered merely good, it's considered great. 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Your point about KC being the key.  
 

To me, a great regular season means getting the 1 seed.  We have yet to do that. 
 

The 1 seed is the AFC is massive.  Not just a big deal … massive.  The one recent year KC didn’t get the 1, they were the 2, with the weakest 1 seed ever in Tennessee inevitably bowing out to give KC the de facto 1 in regards to home field. 

 

Exactly TO YOU. 

I would actually argue you would say that would an "okay" season and without consecutive Superbowl wins the season was not great.

Keep moving the goal posts each time they are reached.

[Aussie Joe]

20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Like I said, entitled
Most fans in the league would take a 13 and three season and said they had a great season

That is part of the problem the expectations for the season

13-3 is a great year… although personally I thought that they struggled at times over the second half of the season and perhaps that record flattered them a little, as we saw with their form in the playoffs..

Eventually though, with Josh Allen on this team, they will need to break through and win a Championship or it’s going to seem like disappointment.. even if they go 13-3 every year until he retires …

 

I still think they should be able to do it  at some stage, so yes….my expectations are high going into each year with prime Josh Allen …

 

 

 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Exactly TO YOU. 

I would actually argue you would say that would an "okay" season and without consecutive Superbowl wins the season was not great.

Keep moving the goal posts each time they are reached.

I don’t think you know what the phrase “moving the goal posts” means.  
 

We’re all giving our opinions… therefore, the “TO ME” part should be implied.  
 

If we finish 13-4 this year, with the 3 seed, is that another great season? 
 

Edited April 7, 2023 by SCBills

[Airseven]

Bills were fortunate to play mediocre-to-weak teams in 7 of their last 8 games. Those ugly wins could've been ugly losses against better competition. 

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Bills are a great regular season team! 😇

 

Well hey, at least we've advanced beyond winning the offseason. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

14 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Bills were fortunate to play mediocre-to-weak teams in 7 of their last 8 games. Those ugly wins could've been ugly losses against better competition. 

If if if

42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

And I'm starting to get the impression most Bills fans are OK with that. "Just entertain me", they say.  "Don't you remember the drought", they say.  Yes it's amazing to win 10-13 games every year.  But once the playoffs start things start going upside down. I'm not willing to waste a generational qb just to be "regular season" champs.  Figure it out Derm.

No

 

its more of as long as your in it you have a chance

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Success said:

We were a great team, who circumstances caught up w/ and derailed.

 

We were just blowing teams away in the 1st couple of months, and clicking on all cylinders.  But man, so much happened over the course of the season. Every team has adversity, but it hit a limit.  

 

Correction, we blew out the Rams and then the Titans, both teams having been absurdly overrated and among the worst on our schedule.  After that we went on vacation as if beating them was a singular formality to going 17-0 and sliding into a Championship per the preseason pub.  

 

After that we lost to Miami, barely beat Baltimore going 4-3 in our next 7.  

 

The only two teams that we blew out were Pittsburgh in week 5 and then the Bears on Christmas Eve.  

 

We got blown out by Cinci.  

 

We only beat three playoff teams during the regular season, two of which were WC teams.  We beat those teams by 3 points twice and by 4 points once.  We also lost to Miami once.  

 

We had a relatively soft schedule in hindsight.   It's quite possible were overrated ourselves after the first two games against teams that were supposed to be in contention but which finished a combined 12-22 and both of which finishing near last in offense.  

 

Just sayin'.

 

I know that I did.  

 

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

That is part of the problem the expectations for the season

 

When you have a Josh Allen then the expectations are a championship.  

 

We don't make it out and say OK, we'll "expect a championship" in 2025, 2028, and 2030, but no other years.  That's how you make it sound.  

 

You expect it every year and if not achieved ask why not and figure out how to correct what's wrong.

 

Again, there are two sets of fans, some that are happy with entertaining play all season regardless of the results, and the others, including those of us that went through the SB years, that will only be satisfied with a championship. 

 

For those simply happy with doing shots from a bowling ball and jumping onto tables and tailgating while being pleased with a winning season and little else, good for them, I envy them.  But for them to impose that standard upon the rest of us, well that's just wrong.  

 

I think that almost all fans agree that if we don't win one with Allen it'll be tragic and ridiculous.  

 

 

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Only 6 times over the last 3 seasons has a team finished 13-3 or better. Packers and Eagles each did it once, KC & Buffalo are the only 2 to do it twice. Yet there are fans on here saying that those seasons aren't great. We also have the 2nd best record over the last 3 years, only trailing KC. Yeah, top 7% isn't great lol.  

 

What else did you notice about those the teams that is not common with us?

 

 

[Airseven]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

When you have a Josh Allen then the expectations are a championship.  

 

 

Why? How so? What exactly has he done to achieve this standard?

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

Why? How so? What exactly has he done to achieve this standard?

 

OK, I'll acquiesce, apparently no more than Taylor, Fitzpatrick, or Edwards did.

 

As you were. 

 

 

[Momma Pecoraro]

Third squandered year of Allen’s sandlot prime. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I was talking about the whole season, not just the Bengals’ game.  This team overcame a TON of adversity last season - then they went through Hamlin’s heart stopping on the field.  If people don’t think that affected the team, then I strongly disagree.

 

I think it affected the team, for sure.  I think it affected the coaches.  My point was that we were missing a ton of people on D for that last game.

Jaquan Johnson and Cam Lewis at Safety doesn't seem very safe.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I do. It was a hell of a season. Sucks some can't appreciate it.

I do think it’s very important to remember the journey and not the destination. It’s also great that the bar has raised as well. But for 18 games, it was a hell of a season and I appreciate them much more as I get older (and more handsomer 😉). Sucks the way it ended but we are in the second best period of bills history of my life and I’m old enough to actually appreciate it now.

 

we have fans getting mad that some people don’t think Allen is the number 1 qb and wanting the DC/ MLB of back to back defenses replaced (I still think it is crazy).  So we have much higher goals than a good regular season. But man, take every game one at a time and enjoy the ride. Start remembering the 17 year drought and Losman vs Holcomb debates before you start crying too bad haha.

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Since when did having a great regular season guarantee a 1 seed? Did anyone say we had the best regular season? 13-3 is a great season, whether it comes with the 1 seed or not.  

 

I'll write happily accept going 9-8, squeaking into the playoffs as the 7th seed, them tearing it up to win a championship.  

 

Obviously the point of the regular season is to make the playoffs, and once in the playoffs, to advance therein.  

 

For anyone talking as if simply posting a good season is fine, I'd  absolutely love to hear them go tell the players that in a "motivational" speech before the season opener.  

 

 

[gjv]

I think the Hamlin on-field cardiac arrest had a major negative on many players. To the point where they internalized the event and lost focus for the balance of the season. I base my opinion on player interviews, especially Tre White, and the fact that we had such poor performances against a depleted Patriots team and a Dolphins team led by a third-string QB. Not to mention being embarrassed at home by the Bengals. Hopefully, everyone has recovered and regained their focus. Had the Hamlin event not occurred, I think the Bills would have played much better at the end of the season.

Edited April 7, 2023 by gjv
did not finish my thoughts properly

[Figster]

2 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Curious how one gets to the playoffs to even play a game? 

Do you remember the 1st time Buffalo made the playoffs with the McBeane regime after almost 2 decades?

 

Getting to the playoffs doesn't necessarily mean you have a good team. 

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Correction, we blew out the Rams and then the Titans, both teams having been absurdly overrated and among the worst on our schedule.  After that we went on vacation as if beating them was a singular formality to going 17-0 and sliding into a Championship per the preseason pub.  

 

After that we lost to Miami, barely beat Baltimore going 4-3 in our next 7.  

 

The only two teams that we blew out were Pittsburgh in week 5 and then the Bears on Christmas Eve.  

 

We got blown out by Cinci.  

 

We only beat three playoff teams during the regular season, two of which were WC teams.  We beat those teams by 3 points twice and by 4 points once.  We also lost to Miami once.  

 

We had a relatively soft schedule in hindsight.   It's quite possible were overrated ourselves after the first two games against teams that were supposed to be in contention but which finished a combined 12-22 and both of which finishing near last in offense.  

 

Just sayin'.

 

I know that I did.  

 

 

What is this barely beating *****

 

Wins are wins 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I do. It was a hell of a season. Sucks some can't appreciate it.

 

It was a helluva Regular season.

 

The postseason was the antithesis of the regular season however.  

 

Barely beating a Wild Card team at home in huge energy prior to getting smoked by the Bengals behind a scrub OL is low end.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

What is this barely beating *****

 

Wins are wins 

 

Just as going 13-3 or 9-8 and getting smoked in the playoffs is the same ultimate result, ... If we're going to apply the same standard there.  

 

Just sayin' 

 

 

[nedboy7]

In my book if you ain't a millionaire you made some dumb decisions in life and are a complete loser.  So.... who isn't a loser?  Let's hear it. 

[PBF81]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

In my book if you ain't a millionaire you made some dumb decisions in life and are a complete loser.  So.... who isn't a loser?  Let's hear it. 

 

Assuming that everyone's goal in life is to be a millionaire, I suppose that would be a valid argument.  Unfortunately that's far from the case.  

 

Every team's goal at the beginning of the season IS to win a championship.  

[nedboy7]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Assuming that everyone's goal in life is to be a millionaire, I suppose that would be a valid argument.  Unfortunately that's far from the case.  

 

Every team's goal at the beginning of the season IS to win a championship.  

 

Everyone's goal is to be successful and happy in life.  I define success and happiness by millions of dollars.  So when did you become a lo.........

[OldTimer1960]

22 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think it affected the team, for sure.  I think it affected the coaches.  My point was that we were missing a ton of people on D for that last game.

Jaquan Johnson and Cam Lewis at Safety doesn't seem very safe.

Completely aligned.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Only 6 times over the last 3 seasons has a team finished 13-3 or better. Packers and Eagles each did it once, KC & Buffalo are the only 2 to do it twice. Yet there are fans on here saying that those seasons aren't great. We also have the 2nd best record over the last 3 years, only trailing KC. Yeah, top 7% isn't great lol.

 

 

 

 

The people who are complaining must be Employee of the Month every month, and their kids are class valedictorians.  😋

 

I get it, the playoffs have been disappointing for us, just like for every team but one. It happens to be the Chiefs this year. I takes great play and peaking at the right time, plus a fair amount of luck to finish on top. It hasn’t been our turn yet, but I like where we stand and I’m looking forward to next season with high hopes. 

[OldTimer1960]

12 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Assuming that everyone's goal in life is to be a millionaire, I suppose that would be a valid argument.  Unfortunately that's far from the case.  

 

Every team's goal at the beginning of the season IS to win a championship.  

Almost every company wants to be number 1 in sales and profit, all movies want to be tops in revenue and win awards, most musicians want to win a grammy…. That does not mean that falling short of the top spot is a total failure and, specifically for the Bills, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t already talented enough to win a Super Bowl next year.

 

I’ not saying that these numbers are exact, but let’s say that a team is so good that they have a 60% probability to win against any other team in the playoffs- that’s pretty good right there.  A team that has a first round bye needs to win 3 straight playoff games to be champs.  Assuming that 60% probability in each game is reasonably accurate, then that team has a .6 x .6 x .6 = about a 22% chance of doing so.  If that team had to play a wild card game, it works out to be about a 13% chance of winning 4 in a row against the best teams in the league.

 

You can quibble with the numbers a little, but my point is that it is very hard and requires some luck to win 3 or 4 in a row against the best competition in the world.

[John from Riverside]

27 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

In my book if you ain't a millionaire you made some dumb decisions in life and are a complete loser.  So.... who isn't a loser?  Let's hear it. 

 

31 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

It was a helluva Regular season.

 

The postseason was the antithesis of the regular season however.  

 

Barely beating a Wild Card team at home in huge energy prior to getting smoked by the Bengals behind a scrub OL is low end.  

 

 

 

Just as going 13-3 or 9-8 and getting smoked in the playoffs is the same ultimate result, ... If we're going to apply the same standard there.  

 

Just sayin' 

 

 

Let this team go nine and eight and watch entitled fans lose their ***** minds complaining of the days whenever we went 13 and three

Edited April 7, 2023 by John from Riverside

[nedboy7]

17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

 

Let this team go nine and eight and watch entitled fans lose their ***** minds complaining of the days whenever we went 13 and three

 

Seriously.  Gee do I want to watch a team that competes every year or a 0-17 team?  Cause some on here seem to think it's the same thing. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

What else did you notice about those the teams that is not common with us?

 

 During those 3 seasons? I guess I don't know, I give up.

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

55 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The people who are complaining must be Employee of the Month every month, and their kids are class valedictorians.  😋

 

I get it, the playoffs have been disappointing for us, just like for every team but one. It happens to be the Chiefs this year. I takes great play and peaking at the right time, plus a fair amount of luck to finish on top. It hasn’t been our turn yet, but I like where we stand and I’m looking forward to next season with high hopes. 

 

 I agree Augie. Though the majority of the people responding are some of the worst posters on this board imo. Blah, blah, blah. It's like listening to a broken record.

 

 Been a fan for 45 years and there have been far more lean years than not during that time. Still don't understand how anyone in their right mind thought we were winning it all with all the injuries to our top players.

 

 Take any other playoff team's top 6 players, now have their QB injured, lose their best pass rusher, lose an All-Pro secondary player, have 2 more All-Pro secondary players playing injured and let them have their 1 remaining top player of the 6 healthy(Milano). None of those teams would've made the Super Bowl either. Not a single one.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

No one is saying we sucked.   That is a strawman argument. 
 

We were good.  We’ve had good regular seasons.  
 

A great regular season, imo, is when we finally get the 1 seed.  
 

 

Not to argue or anything. I did read some comments along the line of "if your not first your last" and so on. I don't agree with participation trophies but I also don't think the whole season is a waste either. (Not saying you do). The whole participation comment is basically saying anyone who can see positives in the season is soft. That how I read it. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Everyone's goal is to be successful and happy in life.  I define success and happiness by millions of dollars.  So when did you become a lo.........

 

Well, OK, and some people consider themselves to be the center of the universe while others consider that there are many others that don't think that way.  

 

Good for you that your primary goal in life is money/wealth, and to merely see the team do well in the regular season.  

 

If it's all the same and if you don't mind, I'll keep the option open that not everyone thinks like that, on either count.  

 

 

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Almost every company wants to be number 1 in sales and profit, all movies want to be tops in revenue and win awards, most musicians want to win a grammy…. That does not mean that falling short of the top spot is a total failure and, specifically for the Bills, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t already talented enough to win a Super Bowl next year.

 

I’ not saying that these numbers are exact, but let’s say that a team is so good that they have a 60% probability to win against any other team in the playoffs- that’s pretty good right there.  A team that has a first round bye needs to win 3 straight playoff games to be champs.  Assuming that 60% probability in each game is reasonably accurate, then that team has a .6 x .6 x .6 = about a 22% chance of doing so.  If that team had to play a wild card game, it works out to be about a 13% chance of winning 4 in a row against the best teams in the league.

 

You can quibble with the numbers a little, but my point is that it is very hard and requires some luck to win 3 or 4 in a row against the best competition in the world.

 

I thought that we were talking about expectations and goals?  

 

Even so, a salesman with a superior product that underachieves his competitors who have lesser products, at some point one must look at why shares lag, no? 

 

 

Edited April 7, 2023 by PBF81

[MJS]

6 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

Regular season is meaningless once the playoffs are set

 

The Bills were one of the worst teams in the playoffs last season

Uh, what about the teams that didn't win a playoff game?

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

 

Let this team go nine and eight and watch entitled fans lose their ***** minds complaining of the days whenever we went 13 and three

 

Au contraire, absolutely no one would be complaining of we won the Super Bowl after finishing 9-8.    

 

If we went 9-8 however, and we're ousted in the WC or D round of the playoffs, or missed the playoffs altogether, don't you think that with this roster and Allen at to he helm we'd have to consider that gross underachievement and point to coaching?

 

You're all over the map in terms of the argument.  Make an argument and stick with it man.  So going off on tangential arguments and points.