ngbills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Ah, I see. Sorry, when you Google him they list 2021 after 2022 on the stats for some reason and his Wikipedia doesn't list 2022 stats at all. Either way, it appears he went on IR after those couple games so his 2022 campaign was a wash. 2021 was his last actual season. And in that year: The idea here is to invest in a player they see can become a star. And if that happens, the "overpay" will become a "bargain". If it doesn't, then you took a chance and didn't completely break the bank. I really hope so. But to me it’s like buying a lotto ticket vs putting in the work. I hope I wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 We clearly want a fast "inside" receiver that can get open and stress the defense. We keep searching for it from both RBs like Cook, McKissic and Hines as well as from small receivers like McKenzie, Crowder and now Harty. Hopefully they found it this time. Some of his highlights sure look good. I'll take that from a rotational player. I WANT that from a rotational player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 hours ago, Beck Water said: Question: who are "all the other teams that were trying to sign" Hardy? I agree that not every great player was drafted in the first round. Math can show this - only about 30% of players drafted in the 1st round become solid NFL players, let alone stars. And, the observation is that while players who are drafted in the 1st 3 rounds typically show something in their 1st or 2nd year, sometimes guys who are drafted later take longer to succeed, if they're going to. On the other hand, what are the odds that a guy who played 4 years on his first team, was only available to play for 60% of those games, and has accumulated 793 yds total in 4 yrs becomes a "great player" in his 5th year on his 2nd team? There's a lot of space between "not every great player was drafted in the 1st round or became stars on their first team" and a guy who's played 4 years as a WR and has yet to break 1000 yds or 80 receptions. Are there even any examples of a guy in those circs blossoming into a star at WR? Don't get me wrong, he's a Bill now so I hope like hell this works out. And it entirely fits Beane's MO of being willing to take a flyer on a high ceiling/low floor guy almost every year, to the tune of $3.5M or so. But I don't think people can be blamed for some healthy skepticism and concern. A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I hope this guy is better at hanging onto Josh Allen's balls than the other guys are.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. I assume you are referring just to the 2022 versions of Brown and Beasley? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Here is what you don’t get about this signing. If this is the guy we target and give this money, why did we not just get Toney at the deadline? We had a need so bad we signed guys off the street. He would have helped last year and be cheaper this year and next. A good GM should be thinking a year out not just reacting which seems like the bills always are. Edited March 15 by ngbills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. Difference here is that he is 25. He isn't coming here to be a "star". He is bringing something this Bills team is lacking and that is speed. Yes it's a risky signing with his injury history but that's why we have to wait and see what he can provide on the field. For people to already come to the conclusion he will suck here, before he ever even plays a down for the Bills is very ridiculous. Being skeptical is fine but already stamping it as him being bad as fact is not the way to go about it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Here is what you don’t get about this signing. If this is the guy we target and give this money, why did we not just get Toney at the deadline? We had a need so bad we signed guys off the street. He would have helped last year and be cheaper this year and next. A good GM should be thinking a year out not just reacting which seems like the bills always are. But you sacrifice a draft pick getting Toney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 28 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: A voice of reason here. Thanks. 100% logical and spot on here. People said the same about Tevon Austin, Beasley, and Smoke. It's just optimism without really taking into account the numbers and facts. Let's be real here. It's unlikely this guy makes a difference. Of course, I hope he does but past history counts. To me it's a solid under the radar signing. He doesn't need to be the #1. Just get some YAC and be an easy button pass for Josh. He's got the speed and separation skills to do just that. He's a puzzle piece we need and lacked this past season. No let's get some more OL in the draft and WR2. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Beck Water said: You and I have discussed this before, I believe - a big factor in our WR and RB not having good YAC has been Josh Allen hanging onto the ball waiting for something downfield to open up, then dumping off when it's clear to both him AND the defense there's no alternative so they close quickly. He didn't have this issue when he had Cole Beasley in his prime in 2020. Last year when he had clumsy McKenzie and rookie Shakir I don't think he trusted them to nearly the same level. The hope is that getting him a slot option he can trust, and emphasizing more quick passing concepts in the scheme, will get our offense into a better rhythm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 15 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: Difference here is that he is 25. He isn't coming here to be a "star". He is bringing something this Bills team is lacking and that is speed. Yes it's a risky signing with his injury history but that's why we have to wait and see what he can provide on the field. For people to already come to the conclusion he will suck here, before he ever even plays a down for the Bills is very ridiculous. Being skeptical is fine but already stamping it as him being bad as fact is not the way to go about it imo. 14 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: To me it's a solid under the radar signing. He doesn't need to be the #1. Just get some YAC and be an easy button pass for Josh. He's got the speed and separation skills to do just that. He's a puzzle piece we need and lacked this past season. No let's get some more OL in the draft and WR2. Concern is the $ and how this impacts other signings. We paid him like he is expected to contribute. He had a moderate role in 2021 but other than that not a lot. If it’s only for special times then it is even more concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Could've had Renfrow with that money. Thielen also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 30 minutes ago, ngbills said: Concern is the $ and how this impacts other signings. We paid him like he is expected to contribute. He had a moderate role in 2021 but other than that not a lot. If it’s only for special times then it is even more concerning. It’s not. The contract breakdown has bonuses built in for receptions, yards and TD’s etc. Its only 1.2M more of a cap hit than McKenzie. If that’s who he’s replacing, it’s worth 1M to take a shot on a guy who’s electric when healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 10 hours ago, Airseven said: Don’t like that contract for what will become a 5’ 6 return specialist. Also, shouldn’t this board be upset about his arrest a year ago? Spoken like the KC fan you are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 51 minutes ago, ngbills said: Concern is the $ and how this impacts other signings. We paid him like he is expected to contribute. He had a moderate role in 2021 but other than that not a lot. If it’s only for special times then it is even more concerning. A bigger concern is suffering a other year of MacKenzie in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Another gadget player. Based on his production, the contract doesn’t make any sense. I guess they banking on him having a breakout season. I hope so but very puzzling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Buffalo had competition for Harty. Another team offered more guaranteed money than Buffalo, but he chose Buffalo because he thought his skill set was a better fit. He's a pro bowl kick returner and while hedidn't have a lot of opportunity catching passes, he did well with the opportunities he had. There is always a risk when you sign a relatively untested younger player to a contract of more than one year, but when a player has talent, there is going to be competition from other teams. GMs are paid to gamble at least some of the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, BillzFreak said: Difference here is that he is 25. He isn't coming here to be a "star". He is bringing something this Bills team is lacking and that is speed. Yes it's a risky signing with his injury history but that's why we have to wait and see what he can provide on the field. For people to already come to the conclusion he will suck here, before he ever even plays a down for the Bills is very ridiculous. Being skeptical is fine but already stamping it as him being bad as fact is not the way to go about it imo. It goes both ways here. Many are acting like he's the new Tyreke Hill while others think he's just a gadget guy who will not perform well. Truthfully, no one really knows how he will pan out. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 If Deonte can just randomly change his last name then I think Josh Allen should now be known as Josh Alien. 😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Malazan said: I hope this guy is better at hanging onto Josh Allen's balls than the other guys are.. I couldn't have written this better 😎 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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