Victory Formation Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 27. Broderick Jones OT Georgia 59. Dawand Jones OT Ohio State 91. DeMarvion Overshown LB Texas 128. DeMarcco Hellams S Alabama 135. Andrei Iosivas WR Princeton 160. Daniel Scott S California 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 PFF just now... #27 - Jalin Hyatt - WR - They have him rated #64 overall...That's a fantasy. #59 - Jahmyr Gibbs - RB - He was there. I'm not stupid. #91 - Dawand Jones - OT #130 - Quindell Johnson - S #139 - Jarrett Patterson - IOL #164 - Thomas Incoom - DE #205 - Cameron Latu - TE - #247 - Hunter Luepke - FB There you go Beane...You're welcome... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, KOKBILLS said: PFF just now... #27 - Jalin Hyatt - WR - They have him rated #64 overall...That's a fantasy. #59 - Jahmyr Gibbs - RB - He was there. I'm not stupid. #91 - Dawand Jones - OT #130 - Quindell Johnson - S #139 - Jarrett Patterson - IOL #164 - Thomas Incoom - DE #205 - Cameron Latu - TE - #247 - Hunter Luepke - FB There you go Beane...You're welcome... I really do feel like Dawand Jones will rise up draft boards, it would be impossible for him not to. Kid is a mountain. He’ll probably go late 1st I’m thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Victory Formation said: I really do feel like Dawand Jones will rise up draft boards, it would be impossible for him not to. Kid is a mountain. He’ll probably go late 1st I’m thinking. Agreed...That PFF Big Board is a joke right now...I've been able to get 5-6 players from TDN's Top 100 in some PFF Mocks...The TDN Mock Draft Machine cannot come soon enough for me... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, KOKBILLS said: Agreed...That PFF Big Board is a joke right now...I've been able to get 5-6 players from TDN's Top 100 in some PFF Mocks...The TDN Mock Draft Machine cannot come soon enough for me... Yup, there’s always those players that are undervalued by big boards during the draft process that you just know will go a couple rounds earlier in the draft, it happens every year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: They can’t draft them anywhere else. Time to try the RD1. Nope as I said I stopped reading. What a waste of a premier pick on a low value position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Oh geeez, it's already started. Nothing else to do when it comes to the Bills 😜 Go Bills!! Edited January 28, 2023 by Perk71 Grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 27. Jalin Hyatt WR Tennessee 59. Steve Avila OG TCU 91. Andrew Vorhees OG USC 128. Garrett Williams CB Syracuse 135. Rakim Jarrett WR Maryland 160. Jay Ward S LSU I don’t think Hyatt will make it far enough into the 2nd for us to pick him, so if we like him we are going to have to take him at #27. Avila and Vorhees are some of my favorite interior linemen that I want to see drafted, especially Avila one of the best pass blockers in the draft. 1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said: PFF just now... #27 - Jalin Hyatt - WR - They have him rated #64 overall...That's a fantasy. #59 - Jahmyr Gibbs - RB - He was there. I'm not stupid. #91 - Dawand Jones - OT #130 - Quindell Johnson - S #139 - Jarrett Patterson - IOL #164 - Thomas Incoom - DE #205 - Cameron Latu - TE - #247 - Hunter Luepke - FB There you go Beane...You're welcome... I did a breakdown of all SEC WRs that ran a sub 4.4 and had at least a 1,000 yard season and every single one of them was drafted before 40th pick. If we want Hyatt, we need to take him at #27. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) I don’t see 8 oline and 5 WR drafted so I hate it try again Edited January 28, 2023 by DJB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, DJB said: I don’t see 8 oline and 5 WR drafted so I hate it try again Well OP said no trades. That means 6 picks. I took 2 WR and 2 OGs. As much as I want to take nothing but WRs and OL we have other issues we have to address. With Benford moving inside and White possibly never returning to form, we need another CB to play along with Elam or in case of an emergency. We might lose Poyer and with Hamlin likely not up to form, we likely need to draft a Safety, even with Benford shifting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I don’t think Hyatt will make it far enough into the 2nd for us to pick him, so if we like him we are going to have to take him at #27. Avila and Vorhees are some of my favorite interior linemen that I want to see drafted, especially Avila one of the best pass blockers in the draft. I did a breakdown of all SEC WRs that ran a sub 4.4 and had at least a 1,000 yard season and every single one of them was drafted before 40th pick. If we want Hyatt, we need to take him at #27. 100% agree...Right now Hyatt is my guy...I doubt very much he'll disappoint in his workouts. I almost wish he did a little. If he runs too fast #27 is going to be tough. That kid is electric... Edited January 28, 2023 by KOKBILLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 My first try at it: 27. O'Cyrus Torrence OL Florida 59. Cedric Tillman WR Tennessee 91. Brandon Joseph S Notre Dame 129. Mike Morris DL Michigan 137. Dontay Demus Jr. WR Maryland 162. Ricky Stromberg OL Arkansas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Okay here you go. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Second try at it. 27. O'Cyrus Torrence OL Florida 59. Jordan Battle S Alabama 91.Cedric Tillman WR Tennessee 129. Olusegun Oluwatimi OL Michigan 137. Mike Morris DL Michigan 162. Jammie Robinson S Florida State This will never happen, but it's fun to dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, Yantha said: Okay here you go. So the rest of the league will have to keep up with the Jones’s? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 27. Dorian Williams LB Tulane 59. Garrett Williams CB Syracuse 91. Rayshad Williams CB Texas Tech 128. Chantz Williams EDGE Miami (FL) 135. Bennett Williams S Oregon 160. Mario Williams WR 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 We do need to up our collection of guys named Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 15 hours ago, frostbitmic said: 1. Broderick Jones - T - Georgia 2. Parker Washington - WR - Penn St 3. Steve Avila - G - TCU 4. Jarrett Patterson - C/G - Notre Dame 5. Owen Pappoe - LB - Auburn 5. Chamarri Conner - S - Virginia Tech This would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 14 hours ago, Victory Formation said: I really do feel like Dawand Jones will rise up draft boards, it would be impossible for him not to. Kid is a mountain. He’ll probably go late 1st I’m thinking. Depends how well he shows he can move. He is HUGE, but can he move well enough? He is probably too tall to move to G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I may be in the minority but I’m valuing OL early and often in this draft. If the OL is solidified it helps everything else. Better running game, better use of the TE as they aren’t needed as much for blocking, gives Josh more time in the pocket, and reduces the need for Josh HAVING to run, etc. Yes I want to add weapons for Josh, but IMO it’s long pass due to shore up the OL and give him extra protection. With the extra protection, he can become even more dangerous! It’s critical the Bills hit on their early picks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 18 hours ago, Billz4ever said: You really think Patterson would fall to the 4th round? I've seen some boards having him gone early second. That would be amazing though. Knowing this team, we'd pass and take a DE instead. And curious why we'd take an edge rusher in the first round when we have Groot and Von. To answer your second paragraph (edited), Aj, Boogie, Lawson and Basham don't have enough juice as pash rushers as we saw when Von went out. Groot is all we have. Von probably won't be back until October/November and just as we saw with White, we tend to not rush players back from Injuries and I believe this is his 2nd acl repair on the same knee. What will we get when he returns? Von is no spring chicken and I'd like to have someone to learn from Von for a year or two and be able to rotate with Von when he does return. It was also a value choice based upon the PFF rankings and position. In all reality, I would switch Rice and Carter as I think it would be a more accurate ranking. Rice in the first and Carter in the second rnd (probably goes top though). I don't see a G, TE, S or RB as 1st rnd value for us. We already have our starting Tackles (regardless of people's opinion) on the roster. We already have our starting RB, CB'S and QB. I think the sweet spot for a C or G is in the middle rounds. I could see a MLB instead of Edge in the 2nd, but this will depend on what the outcome is with Edmunds. Bottom line (IMO), WR 1st, Edge or LB 2nd, OL 3&4, depth/ future 5+. PS. I would have taken Joe Tippmann at 139 if Patterson wasn't available. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: To answer your second paragraph (edited), Aj, Boogie, Lawson and Basham don't have enough juice as pash rushers as we saw when Von went out. Groot is all we have. Von probably won't be back until October/November and just as we saw with White, we tend to not rush players back from Injuries and I believe this is his 2nd acl repair on the same knee. What will we get when he returns? Von is no spring chicken and I'd like to have someone to learn from Von for a year or two and be able to rotate with Von when he does return. It was also a value choice based upon the PFF rankings and position. In all reality, I would switch Rice and Carter as I think it would be a more accurate ranking. Rice in the first and Carter in the second rnd (probably goes top though). I don't see a G, TE, S or RB as 1st rnd value for us. We already have our starting Tackles (regardless of people's opinion) on the roster. We already have our starting RB, CB'S and QB. I think the sweet spot for a C or G is in the middle rounds. I could see a MLB instead of Edge in the 2nd, but this will depend on what the outcome is with Edmunds. Bottom line (IMO), WR 1st, Edge or LB 2nd, OL 3&4, depth/ future 5+. PS. I would have taken Joe Tippmann at 139 if Patterson wasn't available. 😁 Agree with basically everything there. I'm of the opinion that if we want one of the top WR prospects, it's almost certainly going to have to come from the 1st round pick. I just don't see any of those bigger names still being there at the end of the 2nd. Edited January 28, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Love Olusegun Oluwatimi from Michigan. Love saying the name, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Agree with basically everything there. I'm of the opinion that if we want one of the top WR prospects, it's almost certainly going to have to come from the 1st round pick. I just don't see any of those bigger names still being there at the end of the 2nd. Not really into the big name thing much, just think an Outside WR should be a top priority. Plus the cost of them in FA is getting out of hand😱. Even if we reach a little I'd rather it be for an outside wr over any other position. Josh and Diggs need some help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 20 hours ago, ngbills said: PFF Mock: 27. Anton Harrison T Oklahoma (best available at position of need, rookie starter) 59. Jalin Hyatt WR Tennessee (weapon with speed) 91. Steve Avila G TCU (another potential OL starter) 130. Olusegun Oluwatimi C Michigan (Another OL, Morse future replacement) 139. Riley Moss CB Iowa (Need DB help, first year contributor) 164. Deuce Vaughn RB Kansas State (Depth in RB room) 205. Cameron Latu TE Alabama (Solid TE2) 247. Jadon Haselwood WR Arkansas (Has size, practice squad) Outstanding, but will Hyatt last until late round 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Commish said: Love Olusegun Oluwatimi from Michigan. Love saying the name, too. He's an OK prospect. Lotta' good C prospects in this draft. He will always be remembered for the botched snap at the end of the Michigan v TCU semi-final game. Brutal mistake in such a big moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 For those of you looking for late rounders and UDFA's to fill out your mock drafts..........NFLPA collegiate bowl today at 6pm on NFL network. https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-draft-six-intriguing-prospects-from-nflpa-collegiate-bowl-practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 1st: O'Cyrus Torrence G Florida 2nd: Darnell Washington TE Georgia 3rd: Israel Abanikanda RB Pitt These three players would really improve the run game for the Bills....the most powerful Guard in the draft, a 6 foot 7 monster TE that is a strong run-blocker, and a RB that is a much faster version of Devin Singletary. Edited January 28, 2023 by Special K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Not really into the big name thing much, just think an Outside WR should be a top priority. Plus the cost of them in FA is getting out of hand😱. Even if we reach a little I'd rather it be for an outside wr over any other position. Josh and Diggs need some help. I really think it needs to be one of the higher prospects. I don't want to see any reaches. There's never a guarantee that a draft pick develops into the player you need and what you want to do with him, but there's a greater likelihood that happens with a higher-level prospect and that they can immediately contribute. With the playing time Shakir got this year, they clearly didn't feel that way. Davis was a 4th round pick and they keep trying to claim he's our legit WR2 and I'm not seeing it. Get a Rice, Flowers, Downs or Hyatt and get Diggs and Josh some immediate help. Edited January 28, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Outstanding, but will Hyatt last until late round 2? Doubtful. If we want one of the better WR prospects, it's going to have to be in the first round. I think there's still plenty of quality OL to be had in the 2nd and 3rd and even the 4th. Edited January 28, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Special K said: 1st: O'Cyrus Torrence G Florida 2nd: Darnell Washington TE Georgia 3rd: Israel Abanikanda RB Pitt These three players would really improve the run game for the Bills....the most powerful Guard in the draft, a 6 foot 7 monster TE that is a strong run-blocker, and a RB that is a much faster version of Devin Singletary. You just can't use a $20M-$30M chip.......which your first round pick is.........on a guard. That's edge and island money. Gotta' get your guards and RB's and safeties with much less valuable chips. Not only because it's hard to find premium positon players late..........but because when you throw a big chip at a James Cook type early you are much more likely to pass and miss on a great value like Isaiah Pacheco late. Positions that are covered up(like guards) or almost entirely dependent on those around them(RB's) are tougher to project fairly. I like Torrence.........intially I had Cyril Richardson vibes about him as an over-hyped prospect........but his tape is good if his medicals project well...........I think he's probably a tweener for where the Bills pick in rounds 1 and 2 though. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: I may be in the minority but I’m valuing OL early and often in this draft. If the OL is solidified it helps everything else. Better running game, better use of the TE as they aren’t needed as much for blocking, gives Josh more time in the pocket, and reduces the need for Josh HAVING to run, etc. Yes I want to add weapons for Josh, but IMO it’s long pass due to shore up the OL and give him extra protection. With the extra protection, he can become even more dangerous! It’s critical the Bills hit on their early picks. I don't think you're in the minority but I think you have to grab at least a very good one in free agency just to make sure you get at least one. Another thing is I don't know if the value lines up in the late first round and that may be need to be used for an offensive weapon. Then in round two and beyond you can look for the best remaining center or guard prospects maybe someone who even projects to right tackle as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I really think it needs to be one of the higher prospects. I don't want to see any reaches. There's never a guarantee that a draft pick develops into the player you need and what you want to do with him, but there's a greater likelihood that happens with a higher-level prospect and that they can immediately contribute. With the playing time Shakir got this year, they clearly didn't feel that way. Davis was a 4th round pick and they keep trying to claim he's our legit WR2 and I'm not seeing it. Get a Rice, Flowers, Downs or Hyatt and get Diggs and Josh some immediate help. What I meant by reach is top of 2nd rnd guys at our pick in the first. Like Rice or Boutte and I'd like the 5th year option on them over trying to trade back and risk it. As to Flowers, Downs and Hyatt, I see them as slot guys🤔. Hyatt is the only one that might measure 6' and he has only had 1 year of production which might (imo), might cause hesitation as a 1st rnd pick. Awesome speed receivers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: What I meant by reach is top of 2nd rnd guys at our pick in the first. Like Rice or Boutte and I'd like the 5th year option on them over trying to trade back and risk it. As to Flowers, Downs and Hyatt, I see them as slot guys🤔. Hyatt is the only one that might measure 6' and he has only had 1 year of production which might (imo), might cause hesitation as a 1st rnd pick. Awesome speed receivers though. Yes, Flowers, Downs and Hyatt slot guys, which begs the question...if RIce and Boutte are gone by the time we're up, but one of those guys are still on the board, do we pull the trigger, or go OL in the 1st round and wait on WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Yes, Flowers, Downs and Hyatt slot guys, which begs the question...if RIce and Boutte are gone by the time we're up, but one of those guys are still on the board, do we pull the trigger, or go OL in the 1st round and wait on WR? Hmmm. Tough question. If it was me and based upon current roster, I would not pull the trigger. As for OL, I think rnd 1 should be for LT'S or generational talents (i.e. Quinton Nelson). But if you forced me to take a slot wr or an OL at our current 1st, I would go OL. I would seriously and actively be looking to trade back though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Hmmm. Tough question. If it was me and based upon current roster, I would not pull the trigger. As for OL, I think rnd 1 should be for LT'S or generational talents (i.e. Quinton Nelson). But if you forced me to take a slot wr or an OL at our current 1st, I would go OL. I would seriously and actively be looking to trade back though. I was thinking the same as far as trading back. If we could get another 3rd or 4th rounder by trading back into the 2nd if Rice or Boutte are gone, that might be the better play for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 100% BPA, aside from QB. Every round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, IndyMark said: 100% BPA, aside from QB. Every round. Normally I agree with that, but when you know where your glaring needs are like we do, that doesn't necessarily make sense anymore. If Beane plans on paying Edmunds, and say Trenton Simpson is the best player available on the board, it makes no sense for us to take him. LB is not a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, IndyMark said: 100% BPA, aside from QB. Every round. But, who’s gonna replace Josh when we cut him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Normally I agree with that, but when you know where your glaring needs are like we do, that doesn't necessarily make sense anymore. If Beane plans on paying Edmunds, and say Trenton Simpson is the best player available on the board, it makes no sense for us to take him. LB is not a need. Fair. But it will never be clear cut, per se. Easy to move away from one position toward another when time to pick. Typically never consensus on BPA, anyway, among everyone here and even experts. 5 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: But, who’s gonna replace Josh when we cut him? I thought we were trading for Aaron Rodgers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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