Josh Allen this season compared to Brett Favre's 1996 MVP/SB season

[EasternOHBillsFan]

The stat lines for both Josh Allen this season and the 1996 season of Brett Favre are eye opening:

 

Josh Allen (15G): 32 passing TDs, 13 INTs, 63.4% CMP, 7 rushing TDs, 13 fumbles, 5 fumbles recovered.

Brett Favre (16G): 38 passing TDs, 13 INTs, 59.9% CMP, 2 rushing TDs, 11 fumbles, 5 fumbles recovered.

 

I knew that Josh was having a good season, but looking at this he is really having a GREAT season.

 

In the 1996 season, Favre lost two games before going on a 5 game winning streak to end the season at 13-3 and then took that streak and rode it right to the championship, beating the 12-4 49ers, the 12-4 Panthers and the 11-5 Patriots.

 

This bodes extremely well for us considering that Josh is not playing at 100% and he has progressed on a curve at a better pace than Favre did. I just thought I would provide a positive assessment before we play the Bengals!

 

GO BILLS

Edited December 28, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan

[LeGOATski]

I always compared Allen the most to Favre since the Bills got him. Not for physical reasons, but just his attitude and how he plays the game. He's like a mix between Favre and Rodgers. Considering how astronomical their careers were, it's crazy to think Allen will be approaching that some day.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

10 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I always compared Allen the most to Favre since the Bills got him. Not for physical reasons, but just his attitude and how he plays the game. He's like a mix between Favre and Rodgers. Considering how astronomical their careers were, it's crazy to think Allen will be approaching that some day.

 

 I agree on the "Attitude". Their kid like joy from playing the game they love doesn't seem possible when mixed with their competitive fire to win.

 

 

 

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I agree on the "Attitude". Their kid like joy from playing the game they love doesn't seem possible when mixed with their competitive fire to win.

 

The ease at which they both perform is also evident... it just looks FAR, FAR, FAR easier because of the tools that they were given.

[Sharky7337]

I agree on the fare comparison and loved Favre. However, if your saying having 1996 stats in 2022 NFL is good, it's really not that good.

 

The rules and game is much more pass favorable. 

 

So by comparison Josh's season would be worse by quite a bit.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Sharky7337

[EasternOHBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I agree on the fare comparison and loved Favre. However, if your saying having 1996 stats in 2022 NFL is good, it's really not that good.

 

The rules and game is much more pass favorable. 

 

So by comparison Josh's season would be worse by quite a bit.

 

The point is that some people are apt to point out that Josh has some bad turnovers and try to diminish his overall performance when in the past his style can net a championship. I did not include the +500 yards rushing that Josh has on him which is something that didn't happen in 1996.

[Locomark]

I think Josh has that competitive spirit that Favre had but I think Josh is a much brighter and even more athletic QB. Favre was also stubborn and I remember him yelling at his team and coaches, something you do ever see from Josh. 

[AlfaBill]

24 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I agree on the fare comparison and loved Favre. However, if your saying having 1996 stats in 2022 NFL is good, it's really not that good.

 

The rules and game is much more pass favorable. 

 

So by comparison Josh's season would be worse by quite a bit.

Not really. More than anything the yards thrown have increased. TDs comp percentage etc haven’t changed that much. What are their yardages?

[What a Tuel]

 

41 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

I agree on the fare comparison and loved Favre. However, if your saying having 1996 stats in 2022 NFL is good, it's really not that good.

 

The rules and game is much more pass favorable. 

 

So by comparison Josh's season would be worse by quite a bit.

 

Eh....maybe yards as someone else said but the top qbs simply just throw a bit more. Edit: Note Favre has more TDs than Mahomes here so not really bad stats given that Mahomes leads the league in TDs right now.

 

2nd Edit: It is a little intriguing how much more accurate modern QBs are though. I wonder if that extends across a larger data set.

 

Top 5 qbs from 1996 and 2022:

 

Edited December 28, 2022 by What a Tuel

[AlfaBill]

12 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

 

Eh....maybe yards as someone else said but the top qbs simply just throw a bit more. Edit: Note Favre has more TDs than Mahomes here so not really bad stats given that Mahomes leads the league in TDs right now.

 

2nd Edit: It is a little intriguing how much more accurate modern QBs are though. I wonder if that extends across a larger data set.

 

Top 5 qbs from 1996 and 2022:

 

The comp percentage I think is also due to the inability to pass defend as one could in the 90’s. 

[fan_in_tx]

2 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

The comp percentage I think is also due to the inability to pass defend as one could in the 90’s. 

Don't agree I see guys getting mugged today before the ball gets to the receivers, that would never hold up in the 90s.   You would get hit over the middle if you caught the ball but if  a defender breathed on you prior to pass getting to you it was PI. 

[Richard Noggin]

Comparing QB numbers across three decades is tricky, as many can see. Comparing styles of play isn't exactly science, either, but I'd agree that Allen exhibits similar on-field characteristics to Favre: especially the joy, confidence, and creative recklessness. 

[Dr.Sack]

Great comparison and from memory Favre was extremely tough and played through a ton of injuries. Favre’s Ironman streak will be tough to beat. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I always compared Allen the most to Favre since the Bills got him. Not for physical reasons, but just his attitude and how he plays the game. He's like a mix between Favre and Rodgers. Considering how astronomical their careers were, it's crazy to think Allen will be approaching that some day.

Besides being a gunslinger like Favre id say the best comparison was John Elway. Because Elway could do it both with his legs and his arm like Allen. Dare I say he has a little bit of Kelly and Marino in him as well. The way he can command the locker room and take charge. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

6 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I always compared Allen the most to Favre since the Bills got him. Not for physical reasons, but just his attitude and how he plays the game. He's like a mix between Favre and Rodgers. Considering how astronomical their careers were, it's crazy to think Allen will be approaching that some day.

I think he’s more of a mix of Favre, Elway then Favre Rodgers

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Does this mean Josh is going to defraud Mississippi taxpayers?

[Matt_In_NH]

The game has changed a lot in the last 26 years and so you would need to adjust stats to compare these straight up.  I don’t think there is a lot of value in doing so.   Compare to their peers in the same season is just the better way to do it. 

[gjv]

From my perspective, and I don't mean to slight Allen in any way, Josh is a combination of Brett Favre, John Elway, and Derrick Henry.

[KDIGGZ]

That was over 25 years ago. It's a different league now. What's next, are you going to put Josh's numbers next to Jack Kemp or Jim Kelly?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

That was over 25 years ago. It's a different league now. What's next, are you going to put Josh's numbers next to Jack Kemp or Jim Kelly?

 

It's not that different... the stats that matter for a freakishly athletic QB that balls out and doesn't play it as safe as a conventional QB- turnovers, completion percentage, total touchdowns- are not all that different. Sure the amount of passing yardage has increased, and I left that out in my comparison, but the RELEVANT stats point to the fact that a QB that plays like Josh does can win a Super Bowl. If you don't get that then that's a you problem.

Edited December 28, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Clark Rotary]

Madden's love of all thing Favre had to help his MVP chances also

[EasternOHBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Clark Rotary said:

Madden's love of all thing Favre had to help his MVP chances also

 

This was supposed to really be about the Super Bowl championship rather than the MVP to be honest... Josh is getting dogged for his style just because he hasn't putting up Burrow-like numbers. Burrow-like numbers aren't necessarily needed to win a Super Bowl...

Edited December 28, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Starr Almighty]

Anyone else scared Josh is gonna text his junk to an unsuspecting lady? Since he's just like Farve 😳😳😳

[Fleezoid]

2 hours ago, Clark Rotary said:

Madden's love of all thing Favre had to help his MVP chances also

 

True! And it would've been great to hear John Madden call a Josh Allen game. 

[MJS]

13 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

The comp percentage I think is also due to the inability to pass defend as one could in the 90’s. 

QB's took deep drop backs back then and threw the ball down the field. These days they are usually in shotgun and play the quick pass game more often. Quick passes have replaced some of the running game that was more prominent back then. More quick passes increases completion percentage.

 

Plus, yeah, defenders were allowed to defend more back then.

[Bocephuz]

18 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

The stat lines for both Josh Allen this season and the 1996 season of Brett Favre are eye opening:

 

Josh Allen (15G): 32 passing TDs, 13 INTs, 63.4% CMP, 7 rushing TDs, 13 fumbles, 5 fumbles recovered.

Brett Favre (16G): 38 passing TDs, 13 INTs, 59.9% CMP, 2 rushing TDs, 11 fumbles, 5 fumbles recovered.

 

I knew that Josh was having a good season, but looking at this he is really having a GREAT season.

 

In the 1996 season, Favre lost two games before going on a 5 game winning streak to end the season at 13-3 and then took that streak and rode it right to the championship, beating the 12-4 49ers, the 12-4 Panthers and the 11-5 Patriots.

 

This bodes extremely well for us considering that Josh is not playing at 100% and he has progressed on a curve at a better pace than Favre did. I just thought I would provide a positive assessment before we play the Bengals!

 

GO BILLS

To me Josh is a mix of :

 Brett Favre -  gun for an arm, mobile, creative, wreckless at times but gets away with most gambles

 Cam Newton -  size, toughness, excellent runner 

Tony Romo - Josh's new throwing motion is pretty much a carbon copy of Romo's. There's been several interviews where Josh credited an offseason meeting with Romo as having a huge impact in how he approaches his throwing motion 

[Stank_Nasty]

7 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

It's not that different... the stats that matter for a freakishly athletic QB that balls out and doesn't play it as safe as a conventional QB- turnovers, completion percentage, total touchdowns- are not all that different. Sure the amount of passing yardage has increased, and I left that out in my comparison, but the RELEVANT stats point to the fact that a QB that plays like Josh does can win a Super Bowl. If you don't get that then that's a you problem.

yikes man. its way freaking different. The passing game and qb's are expected to be much more efficient with the football in 2022...

 

I freaking love Josh Allen but using an MVP season from 1996 to downplay his TO's is a really bad look. geez.

 

Favre completed 59% of his passes that year and still was in the top 10 for comp%. That wouldnt even crack the top 20 in todays nfl. He had a 95 qb rating which was 2nd in the whole league. That wouldnt even crack the top ten this year..... they're td #'s are similar cool. But josh needs to have much better efficiency #'s than a 1996 brett favre if we're winning the whole thing.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[78thealltimegreat]

Farve was a much more talented Tony Romo and when he was on was insanely good.

But quite frankly Josh is the second coming of John Elway he is the closest thing I have seen in the NFL to a one man gang since the 1980s Denver Broncos… with Josh the Bills win can the Super Bowl without him we would be talking about CJ Stroud and Bryce Young.