Poll: Sean Payton as Bills HC

[billsbackto81]

55-35 over 5 and a half years. .611 winning %.  4 playoff appearances  after the team went over 16 years without one. 2 straight Division titles.

 

Tough crowd..

[Augie]

26 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

55-35 over 5 and a half years. .611 winning %.  4 playoff appearances  after the team went over 16 years without one. 2 straight Division titles.

 

Tough crowd..

 

Vegas still has us as Super Bowl favorites. We should shake that up because we hit a rough patch over a few games against good teams and losing one score games that could have changed with a single play while missing a handful of Pro Bowl defenders. SMH.  🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

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Edited November 15, 2022 by Augie

[Royale with Cheese]

Some of you guys would B word about Payton too.

He missed the playoffs 6 times in 15 years with Drew Brees as his QB in a weaker NFC.  There is no way in hell you complainers and pessimists would put up with that.

The very first season Payton missed the playoffs with the Bills....you will be calling for his head.

[Fan in Chicago]

On 11/14/2022 at 6:11 PM, billsbackto81 said:

55-35 over 5 and a half years. .611 winning %.  4 playoff appearances  after the team went over 16 years without one. 2 straight Division titles.

 

Tough crowd..

McD has done a good job so far but there are critical barriers to his coaching and personnel prioritization:

- too many resources (drafts, FA) dedicated to one side of the ball

- Maddening inability to win close games

- getting outcoached in second half of too many games

- letting coordinators free without a seeming ability to influence their plans and schemes

 with a Superbowl caliber roster, his teams lose too many critical games.

The question right now is - is he the coach for us now while the window is open and Allen is young 

[What a Tuel]

40% no playoff appearance rate with Drew freaking Brees. No thanks.

Edited November 16, 2022 by What a Tuel

[97bills]

On 11/14/2022 at 8:08 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Does he lose games? I want a coach that never loses a game. 

That’s funny 😂

[Eastport bills]

In today’s NFL there’s an advantage to an offensive minded HC. Sean has brought this team to this level but he hasn’t distinguished himself as a competent gameday decision maker. The Bills will make the playoffs but will be judged as underachievers if they can’t get to the SB. He’s been deficient in raising our play defensively and has to take responsibility for that. If you are a defensive minded coach and you can’t stop the run and your secondary gets shredded, maybe it’s time for a change. When you have “13 seconds “ on your resume , the patience level is limited.

[TheWeatherMan]

On 11/15/2022 at 1:35 AM, Augie said:

 

Vegas still has us as Super Bowl favorites. We should shake that up because we hit a rough patch over a few games against good teams and losing one score games that could have changed with a single play while missing a handful of Pro Bowl defenders. SMH.  🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

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It’s how we are losing that is concerning.  The team is extremely undisciplined.  The only team that has beat the Bills has been the Bills.  We can’t consistently beat average to above average teams even though it’s blatantly obvious we’re the more talented team.  We just can’t overcome the abundance of crucial mistakes that we routinely make.  

[What a Tuel]

31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Some of you guys would B word about Payton too.

He missed the playoffs 6 times in 15 years with Drew Brees as his QB in a weaker NFC.  There is no way in hell you complainers and pessimists would put up with that.

The very first season Payton missed the playoffs with the Bills....you will be calling for his head.

 

He was hired in 2006 and missed the playoffs for 2 consecutive years in 2007 (7-9) and 2008 (8-8). Is there any doubt there would be these exact comments about wasting Drew Brees? They would have come for his head and missed the super bowl year in 2009 lmao.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said:

It’s how we are losing that is concerning.  The team is extremely undisciplined.  The only team that has beat the Bills has been the Bills.  We can’t consistently beat average to above average teams even though it’s blatantly obvious we’re the more talented team.  We just can’t overcome the abundance of crucial mistakes that we routinely make.  

 

I think that's a stretch. 

[clayboy54]

Please give up your crusade.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

He was hired in 2006 and missed the playoffs for 2 consecutive years in 2007 (7-9) and 2008 (8-8). Is there any doubt there would be these exact comments about wasting Drew Brees? They would have come for his head and missed the super bowl year in 2009 lmao.

 

This board can't handle adversity.  

 

If they were Rams fans last year....they would have called for McVay's head after losing 3 in a row AFTER getting Von Miller.  

[sunshynman]

I would support him, but it would be asinine to change coaching now. We went from basement dwellers to contenders under McD. You run this streak out, that's all you can do. The upheaval that switching out the coaches could destroy the team. Unless McD starts yelling at the public like a drunk sailor, starts attacking woman, or kills someone; he's not getting booted. This staff is our best beat for the SB win in the next few years. Let's hope it all comes together. It's hard for it all come together at the right time in the NFL. Look at the Pat's they had to cheat to do it for so long!

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

Really??? I am hard on the Bills as much as anyone.... but management change? Nope

[Fan in Chicago]

8 minutes ago, sunshynman said:

I would support him, but it would be asinine to change coaching now. We went from basement dwellers to contenders under McD. You run this streak out, that's all you can do. The upheaval that switching out the coaches could destroy the team. Unless McD starts yelling at the public like a drunk sailor, starts attacking woman, or kills someone; he's not getting booted. This staff is our best beat for the SB win in the next few years. Let's hope it all comes together. It's hard for it all come together at the right time in the NFL. Look at the Pat's they had to cheat to do it for so long!

That is exactly the point of this debate. Many here (including me) now have doubts that this coaching staff is good enough to win the big one. Let me ask a simple question - when did you last see a Belichick led team make the stupid mistakes the Bills commit to end up losing games?  

[Chuck Schick]

On 11/14/2022 at 9:19 AM, ArtVandalay said:

How many years of Josh Allens career are you willing to waste before moving on? I'm serious.  How many years? 

 

This is already year 5, 4 of which productive,  3 superstar prime years. 

 

So are you okay wasting 4 prime years? 5? 

And you want to be my latex salesman?

[Agent 91]

On 11/14/2022 at 12:25 PM, ArtVandalay said:

You don't get it do you. The INT in the Red Zone was on a 4th down. He throws it away or takes the sack its still a turnover lol. 

Yes we get it... If you throw an int there you are more than likely looking at a touchback or.... a 34 yard return. I do not agree with the throw away is the wrong choice arguement. If it were, the defense would have batted it down and taken the spot. Throwing the ball away when you have nothing would have FORCED a 93 yard drive.

[TheWeatherMan]

39 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I think that's a stretch. 

Based on? 

[sunshynman]

10 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

That is exactly the point of this debate. Many here (including me) now have doubts that this coaching staff is good enough to win the big one. Let me ask a simple question - when did you last see a Belichick led team make the stupid mistakes the Bills commit to end up losing games?  

And The Cheaters are the anomaly to everything. Brady and Belichick cheated their way too many wins. If that's how you want to get the Lombardi then hire Bill and hope he can produce the results with Allen. But I suspect he wouldn't like Allen, too much of a gun slinger. Every other SB winning coach in the modern era does not have multiple SB wins. Not Payton, Not Reid, Not McVay. This staff is our best bet at winning a SB. The only owner that would swap out coaches from a powerhouse team would be Davis. Because it would be crazy!

[Agent 91]

On 11/14/2022 at 12:46 PM, BuffaloBaumer said:

As someone else said already, Daboll should have never been able to leave the building. All would be right in the sports world if that would have taken place...

There was no way to stop it unless you wanted to fire McD and elevate Daboll. That would have been a tough sell around these parts coming off 2 seasons where only Kansas City has been our downfall.

[2003Contenders]

This is simply ridiculous! So glad that "fans" are not the ones making the decisions. Right now we have a great tandem with McD and BB. After nearly 20 years of ineptitude, McD has led the Bills to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 seasons here. What is the best way to ruin a good thing? Destroy continuity, blow it up and constantly start over again!

 

Even this season -- the Bills are literally 3 plays away from being 9-0. Each of those games took something unlikely and the opponent playing out of their minds to beat the Bills. And that is with a team that is missing MANY starters.

 

While I do not agree with every decision that McD has made, he has created a great program with a winning formula. Once we get out of this funk, defense gets closer to healthy again -- and Josh gets his head on straight we will be fine, and folks with sense will look back at these cries to replace McD with laughter.

[Spiderweb]

On 11/14/2022 at 9:13 AM, McBean said:

1. Jim Harbaugh

 

2. Eric Bieniemy

 

3. Sean Payton

Jim Harbaugh is a complete an utter tool. Bieniemy has serious reported issues as well. Payton is a Saban/Meyer like quitter. Burned out, then stay away.

[Fan in Chicago]

13 minutes ago, sunshynman said:

And The Cheaters are the anomaly to everything. Brady and Belichick cheated their way too many wins. If that's how you want to get the Lombardi then hire Bill and hope he can produce the results with Allen. But I suspect he wouldn't like Allen, too much of a gun slinger. Every other SB winning coach in the modern era does not have multiple SB wins. Not Payton, Not Reid, Not McVay. This staff is our best bet at winning a SB. The only owner that would swap out coaches from a powerhouse team would be Davis. Because it would be crazy!

I do not fully disagree with you because there is still some cause for hope with this staff. But the question and debate is very much on point. 

Its a lot more difficult to get a very good QB than it is to get a good coach. After decades, we found our main man so kets not waste another 5 years waiting for the right coaches. That will be a monumental shame. 

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Based on? 

 

Because we've been winning.  2 division titles, playoff wins and consistent playoffs.  You don't get there by only beating bad teams.  

[ChasBB]

Yes, if McDermott was to ever voluntarily step down, but no, otherwise.  McDermott's been a very good HC.  He's not perfect, but seems to learn from past mistakes.  He's only missed playoffs one season and the 17-yr playoff drought is not that distant of a memory yet to forget about.

[Milanos Milano]

On 11/14/2022 at 9:16 AM, Real McNasty said:

Sure, lets ***** can a coach with a 55-35 coaching record that has lead the Bills to the playoffs in 4 of the last 5 seasons. 

 

This Board man...

 

 

No more participation trophies! 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Because we've been winning.  2 division titles, playoff wins and consistent playoffs.  You don't get there by only beating bad teams.  

We kind of did though.  When you play good teams the score is usually close.  Poor coaching and player decision making is killing us in the close games.  From a probabilistic stand point if it’s a one score game there is a 73% chance we lose.  

[zow2]

Can we get a do-over here and name Daboll as head coach and kick McD to the curb?!

[billsbackto81]

4 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

McD has done a good job so far but there are critical barriers to his coaching and personnel prioritization:

- too many resources (drafts, FA) dedicated to one side of the ball

- Maddening inability to win close games

- getting outcoached in second half of too many games

- letting coordinators free without a seeming ability to influence their plans and schemes

 with a Superbowl caliber roster, his teams lose too many critical games.

The question right now is - is he the coach for us now while the window is open and Allen is young 

Fair points.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

We kind of did though.  When you play good teams the score is usually close.  Poor coaching and player decision making is killing us in the close games.  From a probabilistic stand point if it’s a one score game there is a 73% chance we lose.  

McDermott I believe has an above .500 winning percentage in one score games in his career.  
 

We have beaten 3 division leaders this year.

We are a simple QB/Center exchange from beating another.  
 

It seems every game we lose, its someone’s fault.  As in we are so incredibly good that losing should never, ever happen.  We are 6-3 with a rash of injuries and we have 8 games left.

[TheWeatherMan]

13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

McDermott I believe has an above .500 winning percentage in one score games in his career.  
 

We have beaten 3 division leaders this year.

We are a simple QB/Center exchange from beating another.  
 

It seems every game we lose, its someone’s fault.  As in we are so incredibly good that losing should never, ever happen.  We are 6-3 with a rash of injuries and we have 8 games left.

Again it’s not the losses, it’s how we lose.  We lose not because we aren’t the better team but because we are the worst coached and disciplined team.  For examples: Texans playoff game, Hail Murray, Titans botched QB sneak, Jaguars, Steelers opening day, Destroyed by Colts, 13 Seconds, Miami, Jets and Minnesota this year were all awful losses where coaching and player discipline were the primary factors.  

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Again it’s not the losses, it’s how we lose.  We lose not because we aren’t the better team but because we are the worst coached and disciplined team.  For examples: Texans playoff game, Hail Murray, Titans botched QB sneak, Jaguars, Steelers opening day, Destroyed by Colts, 13 Seconds, Miami, Jets and Minnesota this year were all awful losses where coaching and player discipline were the primary factors.  

 

We are not the worst coached and disciplined team....that's an extreme hyperbole.  Of all 32 Head Coaches, Sean McDermott is 32nd lol.

The only two factors are coaches and players.  Every game that has ever been played, the primary factors are the players and coaches.  Who else would it be?

 

Every team has bad losses....every team.  You can literally take any team and list bad losses.  Come on. 

 

The Chiefs might be pretty bad then.  They lost to the Bills and the Bills have the worst coached and most undisciplined team.  Their other loss was to the Colts who fired their coach because they were so bad.  

[TheWeatherMan]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

We are not the worst coached and disciplined team....that's an extreme hyperbole.  Of all 32 Head Coaches, Sean McDermott is 32nd lol.

The only two factors are coaches and players.  Every game that has ever been played, the primary factors are the players and coaches.  Who else would it be?

 

Every team has bad losses....every team.  You can literally take any team and list bad losses.  Come on. 

 

The Chiefs might be pretty bad then.  They lost to the Bills and the Bills have the worst coached and most undisciplined team.  Their other loss was to the Colts who fired their coach because they were so bad.  

I’m sorry your lack of reading comprehension leads you to believe there is hyperbole within my post.  It’s pretty clear that I’m referring to the the coach being the worst of the two in the matchup.  As clearly annotated in my post it’s poor coaching and player decision making not poor coaching and players.  I’d love to get a glimpse of your ACT/SAT reading comprehension scores.  🤡 

[nedboy7]

McD definitely has room for improvement.  How many SB caliber teams are there this year?   How many of those teams will lose this off-season?  As a fan of that team would you fire the coach and refer to not winning the SB as choking?  You fire Reid if the Chiefs "choke" this year? 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’m sorry your lack of reading comprehension leads you to believe there is hyperbole within my post.  It’s pretty clear that I’m referring to the the coach being the worst of the two in the matchup.  As clearly annotated in my post it’s poor coaching and player decision making not poor coaching and players.  I’d love to get a glimpse of your ACT/SAT reading comprehension scores.  🤡 

 

It's not clear at all.  

"We lose not because we aren’t the better team but because we are the worst coached and disciplined team."

 

Worst of the two...which match up?  The games you listed?

 

Also: It's poor coaching and not poor coaching.  

As clearly annotated in my post it’s poor coaching and player decision making not poor coaching and players.

 

Ooooh, the SAT/ACT shot lol.

11 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

McD definitely has room for improvement.  How many SB caliber teams are there this year?   How many of those teams will lose this off-season?  As a fan of that team would you fire the coach and refer to not winning the SB as choking?  You fire Reid if the Chiefs "choke" this year? 

 

Andy Reid should have been fired at some point from this board 1999-2018 because he never won a Super Bowl.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 hours ago, Agent 91 said:

There was no way to stop it unless you wanted to fire McD and elevate Daboll. That would have been a tough sell around these parts coming off 2 seasons where only Kansas City has been our downfall.

I called for that but knew it would never happen.
 

Fans were periodically upset with him for play calls. Meanwhile he was the best OC we’ve ever had and I suspect his shortcomings were McDermott induced.