cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck 8 2 2 2 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 the theme is that this is the 4th or 5th thread blaming the coaches-- maybe one or at most two will do 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, cgg716 said: To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck Dude he has 6 of those the last 3 games. Haven't you been paying attention? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, cgg716 said: To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck lol okay. Look the D didn’t have their most consistent day and Jefferson got his, as he does pretty much every week, and given that we had two corners out almost guaranteed JJ was going to be a factor. the worst play of the day by the defense, which you don’t even mention, was the 81 yard run by Cook. But the defense made stops when they had to to give Allen a chance to win. Twice. Sorry I will not scapegoat the defense today. It’s on Allen. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Allen has been awful. Coaching has been awful. Both are true. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Dude he has 6 of those the last 3 games. Haven't you been paying attention? Sure have, his whole career, where he has been bailing out bad coaching. Today, it's 27-10, and the D gets roasted. He made the inexcusable throw yes, but in a situation he never should have been in 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said: lol okay. Look the D didn’t have their most consistent day and Jefferson got his, as he does pretty much every week, and given that we had two corners out almost guaranteed JJ was going to be a factor. the worst play of the day by the defense, which you don’t even mention, was the 81 yard run by Cook. But the defense made stops when they had to to give Allen a chance to win. Twice. Sorry I will not scapegoat the defense today. It’s on Allen. Our run game was electric in the first half. Dorsey gave Cook and Hines THREE TOUCHES in the second half. Frazier's defense couldn't stop fourth and 18. It's COACHING. 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) I will say … where is a shallow route? Why is every route to the end zone there? Singletary leaks out late.. but unless the concept was for Allen to take the middle of the field and run if nothings there, I don’t get it. This offense is obsessively aggressive and it doesn’t help Allen when he needs someone to help him see the field and not just the end zone. Counterpoint, someone could be crossing wide open right now 5 yards away and 50/50 he still throws that. Edited November 13, 2022 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: lol okay. Look the D didn’t have their most consistent day and Jefferson got his, as he does pretty much every week, and given that we had two corners out almost guaranteed JJ was going to be a factor. the worst play of the day by the defense, which you don’t even mention, was the 81 yard run by Cook. But the defense made stops when they had to to give Allen a chance to win. Twice. Sorry I will not scapegoat the defense today. It’s on Allen. Also, the cook play, is because we absolutely need to sell out to stop the run because of the scheme. You know, just like every other game the last 4 years 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Bills completely abandoned the run the second half. You have the lead late in the 4th, 3 mins left, Viking have ONE timeout. And you pass, pass, pass. Run no time off the clock. Inept coaching as it gets. and don’t even get me started on OT!! Terrible coaching all the way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Seriously, I can’t disagree with the OP, no matter how many threads are made about the subject. There are too many issues I can point to that come right down to the coaching staff spitting the bit today. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, cgg716 said: To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck NO TRE WHITE NO POYER NO HYDE NO ELAM JOSH THROWING TERRIBLE PASSES THAT NEVER SHOULD BE THROWN Yeah, blame the #@!#!@# COACHING STAFF!!!! Just. Stop. 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Our run game was electric in the first half. Dorsey gave Cook and Hines THREE TOUCHES in the second half. Frazier's defense couldn't stop fourth and 18. It's COACHING. To be fair, we can’t keep running into the back of linemen. He stopped running when it stopped being successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Einstein said: To be fair, we can’t keep running into the back of linemen. He stopped running when it stopped being successful. Then adapt. Toss plays, jet sweeps, power slam runs. We have the talent to do so, we just refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: Then adapt. Toss plays, jet sweeps, power slam runs. We have the talent to do so, we just refuse. How many drives are you willing to waste while they experiment with things that may or may not work. Im much more willing to blame McD for not kicking the field goal to go up 20(?) and not doubling Jefferson, than blaming Dorsey for not continuing to run the ball when it wasn’t working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: NO TRE WHITE NO POYER NO HYDE NO ELAM JOSH THROWING TERRIBLE PASSES THAT NEVER SHOULD BE THROWN Yeah, blame the #@!#!@# COACHING STAFF!!!! Just. Stop. Injuries might be a justified answer, if this didn’t happen year in, year out like clockwork. Good coaching can also hide injuries, our coaches are stubborn enough to amplify them 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Sure have, his whole career, where he has been bailing out bad coaching. Today, it's 27-10, and the D gets roasted. He made the inexcusable throw yes, but in a situation he never should have been in The Bills stopped putting up points!!! Third straight week. They haven't scored a 2nd half TD since the KC game. C'mon man...if the Bills offense simply finished the game like they are SUPPOSED to, the game is out of reach. The D is being put in ridiculous positions when they have multiple people out by the offense who is pretty much healthy. The offense has to put the game out of reach and they keep f**king keeping the other team in the game instead. Edited November 13, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Which coach fumbled the ball when we went up with 44 seconds left? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: How many drives are you willing to waste while they experiment with things that may or may not work. Im much more willing to blame McD for not kicking the field goal to go up 20(?) and not doubling Jefferson, than blaming Dorsey for not continuing to run the ball when it wasn’t working. To go up 13 I believe, just FYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said: the theme is that this is the 4th or 5th thread blaming the coaches-- maybe one or at most two will do oh no!!! Poor coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Our run game was electric in the first half. Dorsey gave Cook and Hines THREE TOUCHES in the second half. Frazier's defense couldn't stop fourth and 18. It's COACHING. it’s not ONLY the coaching. It’s not that black and white, no matter how hard you want to cry that it is. 4th and 18 sure they got it guy had to make a pretty amazing catch it was not like he was wide open. The guys on the field have to execute too and they didn’t on that play and Allen definitely did not execute when it mattered. Coaching miscues. don’t make you fumble a snap. Edited November 13, 2022 by JoPoy88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Injuries might be a justified answer, if this didn’t happen year in, year out like clockwork. Good coaching can also hide injuries, our coaches are stubborn enough to amplify them I'm sorry, but the Chiefs game is one thing, but TODAY this game was not lost because of a coaching issue. THIS GAME exposed the limitations of continuing to bleed top tier defensive talent due to injury and Josh turning into New York Jets Favre. Edited November 13, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Big Turk said: The Bills stopped putting up points!!! Third straight week. They haven't scored a 2nd half TD since the KC game. C'mon man...if the Bills offense simply finished the game like they are SUPPOSED to, the game is out of reach. Can't score points if you throw it to the other team. That's a large part of that story the last 3 weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Crazy that you see a 17 point lead evaporate, on an 81 yard run, and several 3rd and long and 4th down conversions, and blame the offense 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, cgg716 said: To go up 13 I believe, just FYI Thank you. Couldn’t remember exactly where we were in the game at that moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I mean we play nickel full time. Yet somehow we can't stop long distances. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: Can't score points if you throw it to the other team. That's a large part of that story the last 3 weeks. They have to finish the game...killer instinct like they had the first half of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, cgg716 said: Crazy that you see a 17 point lead evaporate, on an 81 yard run, and several 3rd and long and 4th down conversions, and blame the offense We can't keep on relying on these backup players to buoy our defense in the secondary... eventually the dam was going to break. Let's hope that Tre and Poyer get back soon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Sure have, his whole career, where he has been bailing out bad coaching. Today, it's 27-10, and the D gets roasted. He made the inexcusable throw yes, but in a situation he never should have been in 3 points in 29 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, cgg716 said: To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck Terrible take after what just happened today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, EasternOHBillsFan said: I'm sorry, but the Chiefs game is one thing, but TODAY this game was not lost because of a coaching issue. THIS GAME exposed the limitations of continuing to bleed top tier defensive talent due to injury. How often, would even the worst D give up 4th and 18? And 2 other 4th downs, and several 3rd and longs? With this defense no 3rd down has ever been safe, regardless of injuries, for years, and you know that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 If Keenum played and had 2 ints and a lost fumble where would the blame be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 And this needed a new thread why? I disagree with your take. And I also hate the fact that you refuse to review anything else on the front page so you can just post your nonsense. Congrats on your 171 posts….you’ve been an…addition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I mean we play nickel full time. Yet somehow we can't stop long distances. THIS. They can’t stop the run, because they play nickel and smaller, which would be ok most times, if they could stop the pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, cgg716 said: To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck Beane needs to rip the bandaid off and fire McDermott tonight. Give Payton a blank check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, McBean said: Beane needs to rip the bandaid off and fire McDermott tonight. Give Payton a blank check. LMFAO no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: it’s not ONLY the coaching. It’s not that black and white, no matter how hard to want to cry that it is. 4th and 18 sure they got it guy had to make a pretty amazing catch it was not like he was wide open. The guys on the field have to execute too and they didn’t on that play and Allen definitely did not execute when it mattered. Coaching miscues. don’t make you fumble a snap. This is pretty much the post I was about to make. I don't understand why folks need to pin the losses/failures on any singular aspect of the game. Plenty of missed plays and mistakes all around. Also a lot of positives that will get over-looked because (once again) they couldn't seal the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) I’m not going to blame them for the catastrophe that is this defense due to injury. But I’m absolutely going to hammer this front office forever for the complete failure that is the running game. Im not even as mad about how we lost as much as that we should have never been in that position in the first place. Combination of coaches and lack of any kind of run game. Just go out and be perfect every week Josh. Edited November 13, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 McD simply had to take the FG attempt on 4th and 2, puts us up 30-17 and virtually game over. He is not a good game day coach, that much should be obvious to everyone by now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: it’s not ONLY the coaching. It’s not that black and white, no matter how hard you want to cry that it is. 4th and 18 sure they got it guy had to make a pretty amazing catch it was not like he was wide open. The guys on the field have to execute too and they didn’t on that play and Allen definitely did not execute when it mattered. Coaching miscues. don’t make you fumble a snap. Coaching isn't putting our talent in the position to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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