Any other conclusion than this is on the coaches, is just wrong

[cgg716]

To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. 
 

Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck

[4thandGoal]

the theme is that this is the 4th or 5th thread blaming the coaches-- maybe one or at most two will do

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. 
 

Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck

 

Dude he has 6 of those the last 3 games. Haven't you been paying attention?

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. 
 

Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck

lol okay. Look the D didn’t have their most consistent day and Jefferson got his, as he does pretty much every week, and given that we had two corners out almost guaranteed JJ was going to be a factor. 
 

the worst play of the day by the defense, which you don’t even mention, was the 81 yard run by Cook. 
 

But the defense made stops when they had to to give  Allen a chance to win. Twice. Sorry I will not scapegoat the defense today. It’s on Allen.

[Einstein]

Allen has been awful.

Coaching has been awful.

 

Both are true.

[cgg716]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Dude he has 6 of those the last 3 games. Haven't you been paying attention?

Sure have, his whole career, where he has been bailing out bad coaching. Today, it's 27-10, and the D gets roasted. He made the inexcusable throw yes, but in a situation he never should have been in

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

lol okay. Look the D didn’t have their most consistent day and Jefferson got his, as he does pretty much every week, and given that we had two corners out almost guaranteed JJ was going to be a factor. 
 

the worst play of the day by the defense, which you don’t even mention, was the 81 yard run by Cook. 
 

But the defense made stops when they had to to give  Allen a chance to win. Twice. Sorry I will not scapegoat the defense today. It’s on Allen.

 

Our run game was electric in the first half. 

 

Dorsey gave Cook and Hines THREE TOUCHES in the second half. 

 

Frazier's defense couldn't stop fourth and 18. 

 

It's COACHING. 

[SCBills]

I will say … where is a shallow route?  Why is every route to the end zone there?  Singletary leaks out late.. but unless the concept was for Allen to take the middle of the field and run if nothings there, I don’t get it. 
 

This offense is obsessively aggressive and it doesn’t help Allen when he needs someone to help him see the field and not just the end zone. 
 

Counterpoint, someone could be crossing wide open right now 5 yards away and 50/50 he still throws that. 
 

Edited November 13, 2022 by SCBills

[cgg716]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

lol okay. Look the D didn’t have their most consistent day and Jefferson got his, as he does pretty much every week, and given that we had two corners out almost guaranteed JJ was going to be a factor. 
 

the worst play of the day by the defense, which you don’t even mention, was the 81 yard run by Cook. 
 

But the defense made stops when they had to to give  Allen a chance to win. Twice. Sorry I will not scapegoat the defense today. It’s on Allen.

Also, the cook play, is because we absolutely need to sell out to stop the run because of the scheme. You know, just like every other game the last 4 years

[BillMafia716ix]

Bills completely abandoned the run the second half. You have the lead late in the 4th, 3 mins left, Viking have ONE timeout. And you pass, pass, pass. Run no time off the clock. Inept coaching as it gets. 
 

and don’t even get me started on OT!! Terrible coaching all the way around.

[Beast]

Seriously, I can’t disagree with the OP, no matter how many threads are made about the subject.

 

There are too many issues I can point to that come right down to the coaching staff spitting the bit today.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

12 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. 
 

Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck

 

NO TRE WHITE

NO POYER

NO HYDE

NO ELAM

JOSH THROWING TERRIBLE PASSES THAT NEVER SHOULD BE THROWN

 

Yeah, blame the #@!#!@# COACHING STAFF!!!!

 

Just. Stop.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Our run game was electric in the first half. 

 

Dorsey gave Cook and Hines THREE TOUCHES in the second half. 

 

Frazier's defense couldn't stop fourth and 18. 

 

It's COACHING. 

 

To be fair, we can’t keep running into the back of linemen.

 

He stopped running when it stopped being successful.

[Roundybout]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

To be fair, we can’t keep running into the back of linemen.

 

He stopped running when it stopped being successful.

 

Then adapt. Toss plays, jet sweeps, power slam runs. We have the talent to do so, we just refuse. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

 

Then adapt. Toss plays, jet sweeps, power slam runs. We have the talent to do so, we just refuse. 

How many drives are you willing to waste while they experiment with things that may or may not work.

 

Im much more willing to blame McD for not kicking the field goal to go up 20(?) and not doubling Jefferson, than blaming Dorsey for not continuing to run the ball when it wasn’t working.

[cgg716]

4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

NO TRE WHITE

NO POYER

NO HYDE

NO ELAM

JOSH THROWING TERRIBLE PASSES THAT NEVER SHOULD BE THROWN

 

Yeah, blame the #@!#!@# COACHING STAFF!!!!

 

Just. Stop.

Injuries might be a justified answer, if this didn’t happen year in, year out like clockwork. Good coaching can also hide injuries, our coaches are stubborn enough to amplify them

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Sure have, his whole career, where he has been bailing out bad coaching. Today, it's 27-10, and the D gets roasted. He made the inexcusable throw yes, but in a situation he never should have been in

 

The Bills stopped putting up points!!! Third straight week. They haven't scored a 2nd half TD since the KC game. C'mon man...if the Bills offense simply finished the game like they are SUPPOSED to, the game is out of reach.

 

The D is being put in ridiculous positions when they have multiple people out by the offense who is pretty much healthy. The offense has to put the game out of reach and they keep f**king keeping the other team in the game instead.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Big Turk

[stevestojan]

Which coach fumbled the ball when we went up with 44 seconds left? 
 

[cgg716]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

How many drives are you willing to waste while they experiment with things that may or may not work.

 

Im much more willing to blame McD for not kicking the field goal to go up 20(?) and not doubling Jefferson, than blaming Dorsey for not continuing to run the ball when it wasn’t working.

To go up 13 I believe, just FYI 

[RiotAct]

17 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

the theme is that this is the 4th or 5th thread blaming the coaches-- maybe one or at most two will do

oh no!!! Poor coaching staff.

[JoPoy88]

20 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

Our run game was electric in the first half. 

 

Dorsey gave Cook and Hines THREE TOUCHES in the second half. 

 

Frazier's defense couldn't stop fourth and 18. 

 

It's COACHING. 

it’s not ONLY the coaching. It’s not that black and white, no matter how hard you want to cry that it is. 4th and 18 sure they got it guy had to make a pretty amazing catch it was not like he was wide open. The guys on the field have to execute too and they didn’t on that play and Allen definitely did not execute when it mattered. Coaching miscues. don’t make you fumble a snap.

Edited November 13, 2022 by JoPoy88

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Injuries might be a justified answer, if this didn’t happen year in, year out like clockwork. Good coaching can also hide injuries, our coaches are stubborn enough to amplify them

 

I'm sorry, but the Chiefs game is one thing, but TODAY this game was not lost because of a coaching issue. THIS GAME exposed the limitations of continuing to bleed top tier defensive talent due to injury and Josh turning into New York Jets Favre.

Edited November 13, 2022 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Maine-iac]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

The Bills stopped putting up points!!! Third straight week. They haven't scored a 2nd half TD since the KC game. C'mon man...if the Bills offense simply finished the game like they are SUPPOSED to, the game is out of reach.

Can't score points if you throw it to the other team.  That's a large part of that story the last 3 weeks.

[cgg716]

Crazy that you see a 17 point lead evaporate, on an 81 yard run, and several 3rd and long and 4th down conversions, and blame the offense 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

To go up 13 I believe, just FYI 

 

Thank you. Couldn’t remember exactly where we were in the game at that moment.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I mean we play nickel full time. Yet somehow we can't stop long distances.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

Can't score points if you throw it to the other team.  That's a large part of that story the last 3 weeks.

 

They have to finish the game...killer instinct like they had the first half of the year. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 minute ago, cgg716 said:

Crazy that you see a 17 point lead evaporate, on an 81 yard run, and several 3rd and long and 4th down conversions, and blame the offense 

 

We can't keep on relying on these backup players to buoy our defense in the secondary... eventually the dam was going to break. Let's hope that Tre and Poyer get back soon.

[CoudyBills]

17 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Sure have, his whole career, where he has been bailing out bad coaching. Today, it's 27-10, and the D gets roasted. He made the inexcusable throw yes, but in a situation he never should have been in

3 points in 29 minutes

[Bob in STL]

24 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. 
 

Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck

Terrible take after what just happened today.   

[cgg716]

Just now, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I'm sorry, but the Chiefs game is one thing, but TODAY this game was not lost because of a coaching issue. THIS GAME exposed the limitations of continuing to bleed top tier defensive talent due to injury. 

How often, would even the worst D give up 4th and 18? And 2 other 4th downs, and several 3rd and longs? With this defense no 3rd down has ever been safe, regardless of injuries, for years, and you know that.

[Matt_In_NH]

If Keenum played and had 2 ints and a lost fumble where would the blame be?

[Mango]

And this needed a new thread why?

 

I disagree with your take. And I also hate the fact that you refuse to review anything else on the front page so you can just post your nonsense. 
 

Congrats on your 171 posts….you’ve been an…addition?

[cgg716]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I mean we play nickel full time. Yet somehow we can't stop long distances.

THIS. They can’t stop the run, because they play nickel and smaller, which would be ok most times, if they could stop the pass

[McBean]

26 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

To begin, the last throw by Allen is an absolutely inexcusable play, no doubt. But it’s one play versus a host of others. Vikings converted 3 4th downs, one 3rd and 9, and got a PI call on a 2nd and 22. 
 

Yes, they got the goaline stop, but even that put the offense in a position it never should have been in. This doesn’t mean Allen is blameless. But between 13 seconds, hail Murray, the HOU wild card. A 3rd and 22 in Miami this year, and routinely getting the ball run down their throats, including last week vs NYJ. How many times before we admit that this D and it’s coaches just plain suck

Beane needs to rip the bandaid off and fire McDermott tonight.

 

Give Payton a blank check. 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, McBean said:

Beane needs to rip the bandaid off and fire McDermott tonight.

 

Give Payton a blank check. 

 

LMFAO no. 

[SinceThe70s]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

it’s not ONLY the coaching. It’s not that black and white, no matter how hard to want to cry that it is. 4th and 18 sure they got it guy had to make a pretty amazing catch it was not like he was wide open. The guys on the field have to execute too and they didn’t on that play and Allen definitely did not execute when it mattered. Coaching miscues. don’t make you fumble a snap.

 

This is pretty much the post I was about to make. I don't understand why folks need to pin the losses/failures on any singular aspect of the game. Plenty of missed plays and mistakes all around. Also a lot of positives that will get over-looked because (once again) they couldn't seal the deal.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

I’m not going to blame them for the catastrophe that is this defense due to injury. 
 

But I’m absolutely going to hammer this front office forever for the complete failure that is the running game.  
 

Im not even as mad about how we lost as much as that we should have never been in that position in the first place.

 

Combination of coaches and lack of any kind of run game.  
 

Just go out and be perfect every week Josh.  

Edited November 13, 2022 by Big Blitz

[SydneyBillsFan]

McD simply had to take the FG attempt on 4th and 2, puts us up 30-17 and virtually game over.

 

He is not a good game day coach, that much should be obvious to everyone by now. 

[Roundybout]

13 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

it’s not ONLY the coaching. It’s not that black and white, no matter how hard you want to cry that it is. 4th and 18 sure they got it guy had to make a pretty amazing catch it was not like he was wide open. The guys on the field have to execute too and they didn’t on that play and Allen definitely did not execute when it mattered. Coaching miscues. don’t make you fumble a snap.

 

Coaching isn't putting our talent in the position to win.