Anybody hear Josh raving about Singletary?

[Charles Romes]

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Charles Romes

[RyanC883]

the problem here is if Singletary gets hurt or worn down toward the end of the year.  Once we have a lead, I have no problem getting Cook or Moss in more.  Or even Duke Johnson, if he's on the PS.  

[Freddie's Dead]

8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Breece Hall leads the league with 5 drops and he is still getting carries and targets. But then again, its the Jets.

 

The Jest can afford mistakes, we can't.

[transient]

6 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

Maybe if you would have repeated the reason to yourself you would have remembered, Charlie 5 times.

[Freddie's Dead]

8 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

 

[What a Tuel]

10 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

What is Allen supposed to say about his RB1?

 

Singletary is for sure a nice player, but they could do better...

 

What did he say about Moss then?

[Golden]

A lot of the frustration is a product of our O line.

-New scheme

-New Coach 

-Injuries since training camp

-Bates moved to right guard

-Saffold showing very poorly on the All 22 reports 

-Either go interior O line in the 23 draft or see if this unit can gel & pick up the pieces. 

 

 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I’ll say it every week: Give him 12-15 carries a game, a handful of targets, and keep Zach Moss the hell off of my tv screen.

He’s a good back.  If we let him go next year and don’t upgrade what we have, we’ll be worse @ RB.  I don’t think cook will ever be more than a really good pass catching back.  As rusher…. Meh.  Get Moss off my TV too.  It’s not all his fault.  He’s capable of playing well.  He’s just got some bad juju or something.  ☮️ 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Was he asked? You think he'd dump all over Moss?

 

Of course he would never dump on Moss or any team mate for that matter.....however I don't see how one wouldn't have noticed the impact DS has made with many plays recently, especially receiving.

[What a Tuel]

10 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Was he asked? You think he'd dump all over Moss?

 

No but you asked "what else can he say" about Singletary and I'd say raving about him for 45 seconds out of a 6.5 minute post conference says a lot.

 

Pretty sure it was the longest answer out of any of the questions.

[BruceVilanch]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

I remember when we lost Moss for the 2020 playoffs it seemed like a big deal, but I can’t remember why. 

 

Because he was still living on his "potential"

[Aurelius]

I agree Devin is an underrated back.  I’d like to see Singletary get more carries and Cook become the clear number 2 back as well with increased load.   Cook is clearly in our future but not sure Moss is.  Utilizing both Singletary and Cook more in our offense would allow us to play them both in similar down situations and not get gamed as much defensively either.  Could literally put out 2-back sets and run motion or have backs move to slot formation because both can catch.  Time to flip this script up a bit.  

Edited October 4, 2022 by Aurelius

[Buffalo716]

When moss has a great game everybody who is trashing him is gonna look dumb

[Patrick Duffy]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

I agree with you guys that Devin should get the bulk of the carries/snaps. Just wondering why so much frustration with Moss, or the amount of frustration I should say?

 

I mean I get having a little and maybe I'm interpreting it wrong as more frustration that it is, but Moss has had a couple good chunk yardage runs. I guess my question is what exactly about him sticks out the most that bothers you?

 

As for right now in this particular part of the season, would you rather have Cook over Moss with how Cook has looked as if he's not quite ready just yet? I guess one could argue they'd rather see Duke. Anyways, that said....just curious what is main issue with Moss that makes you feel that amount of frustration?

 

[Don Otreply]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

When moss has a great game everybody who is trashing him is gonna look dumb

Do let us know when that happens, 👍

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

I agree with you guys that Devin should get the bulk of the carries/snaps. Just wondering why so much frustration with Moss, or the amount of frustration I should say?

 

I mean I get having a little and maybe I'm interpreting it wrong as more frustration that it is, but Moss has had a couple good chunk yardage runs. I guess my question is what exactly about him sticks out the most that bothers you?

 

As for right now in this particular part of the season, would you rather have Cook over Moss with how Cook has looked as if he's not quite ready just yet? I guess one could argue they'd rather see Duke. Anyways, that said....just curious what is main issue with Moss that makes you feel that amount of frustration?

 

Can’t really pinpoint why I can’t stand him. Mainly because he was supposed to be a good goal line/short yardage type back.  Yet, I’d rather us hand the ball to motor or cook in almost every situation.  I backed him all preseason and was hoping that he would make strides like motor did in year 3. After 4 games, all I know is that i hope he gets zero carries each week.  Just a hunch of hate

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

Do let us know when that happens, 👍

He played plenty of solid games

 

Our Super Bowl chances literally went out the window when he got hurt two years ago

 

He doesn’t get enough touches to get into the flow of the game… But he is one of the best pass blocking backs in the NFL that’s a fact… And his hands are above average

 

That alone makes him a respectable third down back

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

I agree with you guys that Devin should get the bulk of the carries/snaps. Just wondering why so much frustration with Moss, or the amount of frustration I should say?

 

I mean I get having a little and maybe I'm interpreting it wrong as more frustration that it is, but Moss has had a couple good chunk yardage runs. I guess my question is what exactly about him sticks out the most that bothers you?

 

As for right now in this particular part of the season, would you rather have Cook over Moss with how Cook has looked as if he's not quite ready just yet? I guess one could argue they'd rather see Duke. Anyways, that said....just curious what is main issue with Moss that makes you feel that amount of frustration?

 

He doesn't finish runs like Singletary. He doesn't hit the hole on balance. He's just significantly less talented a runner overall.

[Don Otreply]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He played plenty of solid games

 

Our Super Bowl chances literally went out the window when he got hurt two years ago

 

He doesn’t get enough touches to get into the flow of the game… But he is one of the best pass blocking backs in the NFL that’s a fact… And his hands are above average

 

That alone makes him a respectable third down back

That makes him average, the only thing he does well is pass block, much like several guys on this team, so again let us know when that great game happens, we all want it to happen,

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, NewEra said:

Can’t really pinpoint why I can’t stand him. Mainly because he was supposed to be a good goal line/short yardage type back.  Yet, I’d rather us hand the ball to motor or cook in almost every situation.  I backed him all preseason and was hoping that he would make strides like motor did in year 3. After 4 games, all I know is that i hope he gets zero carries each week.  Just a hunch of hate

 

While I agree about the short yardage stuff, at same time he has had couple big yard rushing plays here and there. I agree I too prefer motor having majority or touches, but have to disagree with you over Cook in bold, for now at this point that is....

 

Cook just needs few more games and hopefully has that break out game soon. But as of now, can't put him above Moss

 

 

[Buffalo716]

14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

That makes him average, the only thing he does well is pass block, much like several guys on this team, so again let us know when that great game happens, we all want it to happen,

He Absolutely has above average hands for a running back

 

His hands are also probably  better than singletarys… He has made good catches

 

And he’s the best pass blocker on the team as a running back

Edited October 4, 2022 by Buffalo716

[BurpleBull]

What the heck influences some of you guys' take? 

 

This season has been Moss' most promising season, but you want Cook to be handed the backup spot.

 

Because of why?

 

Because he was drafted in the 2nd rd.? 

 

He's still shown little to warrant him being selected that high.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

While I agree about the short yardage stuff, at same time he has had couple big yard rushing plays here and there. I agree I too prefer motor having majority or touches, but have to disagree with you over Cook in bold, for now at this point that is....

 

Cook just needs few more games and hopefully has that break out game soon. But as of now, can't put him above Moss

 

 

I’ve said moss is capable, I just don’t want to see him anymore.  I understand the vitriol for cook, but we used a 2nd rd pick on the kid.  We aren’t winning the SB in the regular season. I’d rather give him some reps than moss.  Moss may be the better runner right now, but the reps to cook could jumpstart something special

[Patrick Duffy]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He doesn't finish runs like Singletary. He doesn't hit the hole on balance. He's just significantly less talented a runner overall.

I feel ya, I agree Devin is the better back... but has Cook shown enough at this particular point to take Moss's reps? I can't say that he's there just yet myself

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

What the heck influences some of you guys' take? 

 

This season has been Moss' most promising season, but you want Cook to be handed the backup spot.

 

Because of why?

 

Because he was drafted in the 2nd rd.? 

 

He's still shown little to warrant him being selected that high.

 

 

 

 

Correct.  Just as moss has shown nothing to warrant him being drafted in rd 3.  A strong preseason is his best accomplishment. 
 

I prefer Cook in there so we can see what he has.  Hopefully build some confidence.  He brings something different to the table and could be a real weapon if he can remember how to catch the ball.

 

i understand why some prefer Moss over cook.  He’s probably the better rusher atm.  I’m just not going to only judge cook on his first 4 games.  I think there’s more and I want to see it

[hemma]

I think Josh just sent Beane a real clear, end of year reminder note.

[Draconator]

This is a attempt at a stealth Saquon Barkley thread, isn't it...

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ve said moss is capable, I just don’t want to see him anymore.  I understand the vitriol for cook, but we used a 2nd rd pick on the kid.  We aren’t winning the SB in the regular season. I’d rather give him some reps than moss.  Moss may be the better runner right now, but the reps to cook could jumpstart something special

 

I mean I believe we are in agreement with each other it seems regarding the Moss/Cook reps situation...Lol. 

 

I just don't feel Moss has been as bad as some seem to think. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[babulator]

Zach has an uncanny ability to find defenders and bounce off them... usually backwards. We wanted a bowling ball and got a pin ball.

 

Devin reminds me of another great Bills back, not real big, strong or fast, but he's pretty elusive, catches the ball well out of the backfield, sets up his blocks well and picks up the blitz like a champ. I'm a fan.

 

Go Bills!

[Patrick Duffy]

25 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

What the heck influences some of you guys' take? 

 

This season has been Moss' most promising season, but you want Cook to be handed the backup spot.

 

Because of why?

 

Because he was drafted in the 2nd rd.? 

 

He's still shown little to warrant him being selected that high.

 

 

 

 

 

That's kinda what I was mentioning....Moss hasn't been that bad and didn't understand the amount of frustration. Cook is not an improvement over Moss at this point right now. 

[Don Otreply]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He Absolutely has above average hands for a running back

 

His hands are also probably  better than singletarys… He has made good catches

 

And he’s the best pass blocker on the team as a running back

Okay then, 

[TheBrownBear]

51 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

This season has been Moss' most promising season, but you want Cook to be handed the backup spot.

I'm not a Moss hater, but how has this been his "most promising season?"  Outside of his one big run, he's averaging around 2.5 ypc.  And his 7 catches have netted a total of 27 yards.  That's the definition of stuck in quicksand, aka late career Frank Gore.  

 

I thought he flashed at times as a rookie back in 2020 (I'm one who gave him a pass for last season since he was coming off injury), but he just looks bigger and slower to me now than he was back in college and in 2020.  

 

Having said all that, I'm still okay with him receiving reps over Cook based on what we've seen from Cook so far.  I at least trust Moss not to make negative plays.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Okay then, 

He had 6 catches on 6 targets week 1 

 

Including a crucial conversion where he was dead to rights and shook the guy off and picked up the first

 

Nobody’s saying he’s an all pro… But he has value protecting Allen and being reliable 

[Don Otreply]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He had 6 catches on 6 targets week 1 

 

Including a crucial conversion where he was dead to rights and shook the guy off and picked up the first

 

Nobody’s saying he’s an all pro… But he has value protecting Allen and being reliable 

    To me Moss is average and as of late a bit disappointing, and it is totally fine that you don’t agree with me, how boring would the world be if  everyone always agreed on every aspect of life…

 

Go Bills!!!

[without a drought]

If people have a problem with Singletary, they should just take it up with Josh.

[Rat-boy]

8 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

I loved it.  Josh is a classy man.  He understands how a team works.  So does McD.  Way classier than how this board views the team.  I mean why did this instantly turn into a bash Moss thread. 

Don’t worry, someone will find a way to bash Edmunds instead soon enough. 😀

[buffaloboyinATL]

13 hours ago, eball said:

Here's the quote:

 

“I can't rave enough about what he is, who he is and what he does for this team,” Allen said after his team’s rain-soaked, 23-20 victory against the Baltimore Ravens. “I urge everybody that's watching football, if you're a young kid, if you're in college, whatever, you turn on Devin Singletary tape and you watch him, how he sprints to the ball, whether he's got it or not. He's downfield picking guys up, he's doing everything right in practice. He's running 50-60 yards, getting in the end zone and coming right back and running another play.

“The dude, all he knows is work and that's why his name is ‘Motor’ and he lives up to the name. I can go on and on about what's type of person he is. I freaking love the kid.”

 

Motor is 2nd on the team in receptions.  He's a huge part of the team's success on offense..."consistent running game" be damned.

 

We have a running game. It just often starts with a short pass to open things up.  It is effective, but I really wish they would stop taking Singletary out as often as they do.