Billz4ever Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: Yes....the more a team gets called (punished) for it, the less they'll do it. I want a fair and equitable game. I don't give a rats ass how long it takes to get fixed. Or eliminate the rule altogether and let everyone hold. You are spot on. They let a team keep getting away with it, they will keep doing it until it starts getting called. The Patriots secondary was known for getting away with holding receivers religiously and getting away with it for a couple seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Robert Paulson said: and the ravens could have been called for at least 6 more So couldn't the Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Billz4ever said: You are spot on. They let a team keep getting away with it, they will keep doing it until it starts getting called. The Patriots secondary was known for getting away with holding receivers religiously and getting away with it for a couple seasons. Um, "a couple of seasons" is a gross understatement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Marvin said: Um, "a couple of seasons" is a gross understatement. Sorry, I may have understated that just a bit. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 It was a terribly called game on both sides. It started with the missed PI on our first drive, when Isaiah McKenzie was hit before the ball arrived. I can't really complain about this one much, because Jordan Poyer got away with an almost identical play later in the game. So I guess it evened out? As mentioned, the Ravens got away with tons of blatant offensive holds all throughout the game. Several on very key plays of the game, where they ended up converting long passes. But then you had the ticky-tacky offensive PI called on Mark Andrews, AND the awful roughing the QB call on the final drive. There were probably 2-3 plays where both teams had legitimate arguments of the refs screwing them over on important plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'm smart enough to understand that it was a make-up call. My point here is, again, MAKE THE RIGHT DAMNED CALLS THE FIRST TIME, don't rely on make-up calls to balance the scales. The Bills got the balance of the favorable calls yesterday. Next day ref threads are stale right off the bus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The Bills got the balance of the favorable calls yesterday. Next day ref threads are stale right off the bus... I’m not sure they did but they got the last one which is all anybody remembers. And that last call was more of a culmination of the ravens clearly making it their gameplan to hit josh as often as they could a lot of which were late and uncalled throughout the game. the refs were certainly not good but they were bad for both teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I’m not sure they did but they got the last one which is all anybody remembers. And that last call was more of a culmination of the ravens clearly making it their gameplan to hit josh as often as they could a lot of which were late and uncalled throughout the game. the refs were certainly not good but they were bad for both teams Which team's plan does not include hitting the opposing QB as often as possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: I mean, really? In case nobody else mentioned this yet, the reason this is not a hold is because the pass rusher is attempting a swim move, which sort of naturally puts the OLineman in this position. There's an exception to the holding rule that states it will not be called if: Quote If, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding. I remember Geoff Schwartz talking about this a year or two ago and couldn't believe it. So basically, any time you see a play like the screenshot above and it isn't called, it's likely because the ref felt it was caused by the defensive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 43 minutes ago, mjt328 said: It was a terribly called game on both sides. It started with the missed PI on our first drive, when Isaiah McKenzie was hit before the ball arrived. I can't really complain about this one much, because Jordan Poyer got away with an almost identical play later in the game. So I guess it evened out? As mentioned, the Ravens got away with tons of blatant offensive holds all throughout the game. Several on very key plays of the game, where they ended up converting long passes. But then you had the ticky-tacky offensive PI called on Mark Andrews, AND the awful roughing the QB call on the final drive. There were probably 2-3 plays where both teams had legitimate arguments of the refs screwing them over on important plays. Every Jerome Boger game goes like that. And relatedly, has 12 men on defense always been a dead ball foul? Was shocked they blew the play dead instead of giving Allen and the offense a free play like an Offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Guys, pick a game and you can witch at holding over and over again. Losers do that and that ain’t you (Rocky motivation speech from Balboa). Guys, we’re winners and we gained on the roughing the passer against the ravens just like we lost in the Bucs game last year that really was a egregious. We won. It’s over. I’m more concerned with a downward efficiency in our offense the last two weeks. Guys will keep coming back. In the bright side, the LBers again had an impact in this game including Edmunds along with Milano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I think the best indicator of an obvious hold is when the O lineman throws up his hands like he didnt touch the guy. Like a soccer defender putting his arms up for a guy who dives in the 18 yard box. Thats when the Refs should automatically throw the flag!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, stevewin said: this one bothered me so bad watching it live. I was screaming at the tv, like how can you not see how blatant that hold was. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Mueller Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Bob, really. That's BLATANT, it's a chokehold! If it's that obvious... and it results directly in the QB being able to get the ball out... it should be called. If they called an obvious hold on every play... the people doing the holding would be out of the game real fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: I mean, really? That one and the one on Dane Jackson blitzing were absolutely horrible no calls. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Again can be called on every NFL play. I can go pull screen shots of a hold from a Bills player as well. Ok, do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, stevewin said: this was the worst one because it was a corner blitz. So Lamar jackson escapes because of the hold, and is able to buy time to find the wide open receiver like 30 yards down field. Boger is blind back there. He called no holds on either team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The Bills got the balance of the favorable calls yesterday. Next day ref threads are stale right off the bus... So why are we defending the zebras then if it was a horribly called game? Who benefited the most shouldn't matter. 48 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: this one bothered me so bad watching it live. I was screaming at the tv, like how can you not see how blatant that hold was. The best part of it is how the blocker put his hands up after like he didn't do anything after blatantly holding him for several yards as Jackson blew by him. Edited October 3, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBuffalo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Then so be it, let it slow things down. The players will adjust faster than you think. It's like objecting to baseball players being busted for steroids because you like seeing home runs. It's not the point. I see your point that the players may adjust and therefore not commit as many penalties but if you start examining things more closely you will inevitably find more to penalize. I’m not a fan of slowing things down more. Just an opinion. I do not agree with your analogy of not busting for steroids. I don’t understand that at all. That’s blatantly cheating and happens outside the confines of a game and absolutely needs to be addressed. A foul, like holding, committed in the hustle and pace of a game is no where near relatable to premeditated cheating like steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Which team's plan does not include hitting the opposing QB as often as possible? They all do, but when you hesitate, and then decide to hit him anyway after the ball is gone, that is a penalty. We got flagged last week for clearly trying to hold up and avoid the collision. We got a dude this week who hesitates and then makes a conscious decision to NOT try and avoid the hit and instead decides to engage the QB and hit him after the ball is gone. And now it's like you want to argue the latter isn't really a penalty when I've seen lesser than that called for roughing. Edited October 3, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBuffalo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: In case nobody else mentioned this yet, the reason this is not a hold is because the pass rusher is attempting a swim move, which sort of naturally puts the OLineman in this position. There's an exception to the holding rule that states it will not be called if: I remember Geoff Schwartz talking about this a year or two ago and couldn't believe it. So basically, any time you see a play like the screenshot above and it isn't called, it's likely because the ref felt it was caused by the defensive player. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Which team's plan does not include hitting the opposing QB as often as possible? Every teams is…the ravens went too far with it though is what that sentence was saying. I’m sure josh/ the bills were lobbying for calls all game so I’m not at all surprised a questionable call went our way. He was getting hit late/in the head pretty often in that game Edited October 3, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said: I think the best indicator of an obvious hold is when the O lineman throws up his hands like he didnt touch the guy. Like a soccer defender putting his arms up for a guy who dives in the 18 yard box. Thats when the Refs should automatically throw the flag!! That was the best part of that hold. Like why don't you make it a little more obvious you're guilty. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Again shall i go screen shot the take downs from Dawkins and others and complain about them not being called? Still waiting on those screenshots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Sure. holding can be called on every NFL play. Is that the type Of football you want to watch? These guys are professionals. They should know how to block without grabbing a guy. If they do, should be flagged. Same with secondary. Im not a fan of the if they do it all game eventually the flags stop flying. Ruins the game. Use proper technique or get flagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Billz4ever said: and this This is the one that made me lose my mind yesterday. They were holding like crazy but they were mugging on this play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: I mean, really? Couple factors as to why this is clearly not a hold. First off, Baltimore is home team and Lamar is throwing. Secondly, the spread was 3.5 points and Baltimore needs to cover. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 These refs were all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Sure. holding can be called on every NFL play. Is that the type Of football you want to watch? Right. It's very frustrating to have to look for a yellow flag after every great play. I have suggested for years a partial solution for at least some of the OL holding penalties. It should be mandatory that every Guard and Tackle wear a modified mitten , something less bulky but similar to a boxing glove. I realize that OL would still be able to arm bar and essentially tackle a pass rusher, but I think that it would reduce the flags which we all find annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Billz4ever said: So why are we defending the zebras then if it was a horribly called game? Who benefited the most shouldn't matter. The best part of it is how the blocker put his hands up after like he didn't do anything after blatantly holding him for several yards as Jackson blew by him. who's "we" I'm not defending bad ref'ing, but it's really no different than usual, so why do we need new threads every Monday to point this out? 2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Every teams is…the ravens went too far with it though is what that sentence was saying. I’m sure josh/ the bills were lobbying for calls all game so I’m not at all surprised a questionable call went our way. He was getting hit late/in the head pretty often in that game Come on---he was often hit in the head? Josh should lobby for a better O-line than these bums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: who's "we" I'm not defending bad ref'ing, but it's really no different than usual, so why do we need new threads every Monday to point this out? We don't need new threads about it every Monday, but since it does exist, people are going to comment on it and how it was extra special terrible this week. So many missed calls all around, this game should be a candidate for disciplinary action by the league. I expect better from NFL-level zebras. If they can't hack it get 'em outta here. I'm sure there's plenty of collegiate refs that would love a shot at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: We don't need new threads about it every Monday, but since it does exist, people are going to comment on it and how it was extra special terrible this week. So many missed calls all around, this game should be a candidate for disciplinary action by the league. I expect better from NFL-level zebras. If they can't hack it get 'em outta here. I'm sure there's plenty of collegiate refs that would love a shot at it. These words have been typed a thousand times. Breaking news. There ought to be a thread on this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Again shall i go screen shot the take downs from Dawkins and others and complain about them not being called? please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.