Miami home field sun advantage and why this is wrong on so many levels

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Well they scored in bunches last week and the week before....

Despite the Oline. Allen is purely a wizard and has beaten the odds, but even Superman can do so much with 3rd stringers. I mentally cream at the thought of Allen having a Manning Oline at somepoint. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

They actually don’t. Go look and count how many times Allen has to move outside of the pocket and the time he has to throw. Allen almost always scrambles and throws because he has too. Manning and Brady never had to deal with this BS. 

 

Manning and Brady can't move well. Allen is at his most dangerous outside the pocket, why would you want to take that away? You don't need a stellar OLine with a QB like Allen.  He has ben sacked 52 times the past 2 seasons, 2nd fewest next to Tom Brady.  Not sure how you can complain about pass pro. Joe Burrow can complain about pass pro.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Everyone with Twitter 

 

go to the NFL page and complain 

 

It might make ya feel better 

Edited September 26, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[oldschoolfootball1963]

I just read the entire thread. I don’t care who won the game. The winner is not important. If you took your 80 year old grandma into that stadium what side of the stadium 🏟 would you sit her on for 4 hours. We have many 300 pound men expending lots of energy. This is not right. It has nothing to do with who wins or losses. If the Bills had won I would be saying the same thing. That side of the field was unsafe for player safety. Korey Stringer died of heat stroke for the Minn Vikings. 
This was unsafe period and this effects players in different ways. We may have a few players that might not play in Baltimore because of the effects of this game. I was very worried someone might die in this game. Credit Miami for hanging in there. But look at their defense 90 plays and still doing well. Now look at the Bills offense. They look like they might die out there. If you don’t think that this is a problem then you are the problem. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

They actually don’t. Go look and count how many times Allen has to move outside of the pocket and the time he has to throw. Allen almost always scrambles and throws because he has too. Manning and Brady never had to deal with this BS. 

"It's going to be a challenge," Brady said on his podcast when discussing the offensive line. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-shares-outside-criticism-of-his-depleted-o-line-with-bucs-linemen-i-hope-they-take-it-to-heart/

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Manning and Brady can't move well. Allen is at his most dangerous outside the pocket, why would you want to take that away? You don't need a stellar OLine with a QB like Allen.  He has ben sacked 52 times the past 2 seasons, 2nd fewest next to Tom Brady.  Not sure how you can complain about pass pro. Joe Burrow can complain about pass pro.

I know Manning and Brady can’t move. I know Allen can move and is dangerous on the run and throw, but he shouldn’t have to make circus plays all the time. I know you don’t need a stellar Oline with Allen, but imagine if we did? Imagine Allen having a clean pocket for 3-4 sec a play nearly every play. Literally unstoppable. But Beane doesn’t know how to draft linemen and relies on Allen to cover up for his drafting shortcomings. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Despite the Oline. Allen is purely a wizard and has beaten the odds, but even Superman can do so much with 3rd stringers. I mentally cream at the thought of Allen having a Manning Oline at somepoint. 

 

he bounced a short pass for an easy TD in the 4th.

[ArtVandalay]

 

It's too hot and sunny? Boo hoo! 

 

The Bills didn't bring tents for shade, they didn't bring the mist machines, they didn't bring anything to prepare for the heat. That's on coaching. 

 

Imagine if Miami showed up to Buffalo in December with no coats, no blankets, no heaters, nothing then complained it was cold.

 

Crying about the weather is lame. We are better than this. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Manning and Brady can't move well. Allen is at his most dangerous outside the pocket, why would you want to take that away? You don't need a stellar OLine with a QB like Allen.  He has ben sacked 52 times the past 2 seasons, 2nd fewest next to Tom Brady.  Not sure how you can complain about pass pro. Joe Burrow can complain about pass pro.

 

Allen was the least sacked QB last year.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-per-game?date=2022-02-14

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he bounced a short pass for an easy TD in the 4th.

 

He did.  Something happened on his stride.  His foot planted too early, picked up and replanted again.  It was like a double foot clutch.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

"It's going to be a challenge," Brady said on his podcast when discussing the offensive line. 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-shares-outside-criticism-of-his-depleted-o-line-with-bucs-linemen-i-hope-they-take-it-to-heart/

Now you are being disingenuous. I meant career Brady. Career Brady and Manning never had to deal with this crap because they had elite olinemen. Allen throws behind circus performers. 

[Matt_In_NH]

don’t disagree being In sun or shade matters but it is more than that, it’s called acclimatization

 

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/heatstress/acclima.html

 

Before Miami had the partial covering both teams dealt with lack of shade.  

Edited September 26, 2022 by Matt_In_NH

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Manning and Brady can't move well. Allen is at his most dangerous outside the pocket, why would you want to take that away? You don't need a stellar OLine with a QB like Allen.  He has ben sacked 52 times the past 2 seasons, 2nd fewest next to Tom Brady.  Not sure how you can complain about pass pro. Joe Burrow can complain about pass pro.

 

You can have a great OL and Allen can still move outside the pocket. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Now you are being disingenuous. I meant career Brady. Career Brady and Manning never had to deal with this crap because they had elite olinemen. Allen throws behind circus performers. 

 

https://www.patspulpit.com/2016/6/7/11867886/patriots-offensive-line-was-2nd-worst-in-nfl-qb-tom-brady-is-best-in-the-nfl-while-under-pressure

 

[Low Positive]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Only a W matters. Yes we dominated it for the most part, but we s the bed ALL the time. Belichick never loses these types of games. It’s embarrassing actually. We are dramatically underperforming so far. We are doing well despite an unprofessional Oline, which is incredible to me, but we are still underperforming for where our stats are. 

Steelers-Patriots 2018.

 

Pats had the ball, down by 7 at the end of the game. The Pats turned it over on downs. 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/recap?gameId=401030956

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by FrenchConnection

[Milanos Milano]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Allen was the least sacked QB last year.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-per-game?date=2022-02-14

 

He did.  Something happened on his stride.  His foot planted too early, picked up and replanted again.  It was like a double foot clutch.

Allen was the least sacked QB DESPITE the Oline. You guys don’t get it. Allen is so fluid he gets away with it. 
 

It like someone avoiding potholes in WNY, it’s amazing if you can dodge it unscathed, but there shouldn’t be potholes to begin with competent management. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I love my team and wanted to see them win yesterday but on this topic alone Ill say this...The Bills are a billion dollar organization, if they couldnt come up with a plan to prevent a known issue than its on them not the Dolphins.  

This is fair criticism 

[nedboy7]

19 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

We had these problems well before the injuries lately. Our Oline has been minor league for years now and Allen just transcends it. We are now well below minor league Oline now and it’s proven to much for Allen to handle, and I don’t blame him. 

Is the stat true that we are like 0-8 or something like that in close games. Maybe McD is holding us back. Our Oline +McD seems to be the main issue. 

McD is one of the reasons we have possibly the best team. Sorry you are so absorbed into your mind over a tough loss. 

[Milanos Milano]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

 

It's too hot and sunny? Boo hoo! 

 

The Bills didn't bring tents for shade, they didn't bring the mist machines, they didn't bring anything to prepare for the heat. That's on coaching. 

 

Imagine if Miami showed up to Buffalo in December with no coats, no blankets, no heaters, nothing then complained it was cold.

 

Crying about the weather is lame. We are better than this. 

This x100. We lost because we are losers. Winners win and get home field advantage. 

[T master]

Being a transplanted yankee moving to south florida in the late 90's and then working in the heat every day for the next 20 yrs i can say from personal experience it takes time to build up a tolerance to that kind of heat & you have to drink a ton of water to stay hydrated .

 

That being said i can't imagine running constantly up and down the field in the heat that would be unbelievably hard !! 

 

Wait ill the Fins come to Buffalo !! 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:

McD is one of the reasons we have possibly the best team. Sorry you are so absorbed into your mind over a tough loss. 

Let me know when McD wins a super bowl with a Ferrari QB. He has zero excuses. It’s win or leave. 

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

You can have a great OL and Allen can still move outside the pocket. 

 

I guess I am saying it's not that important for them to have a great OLine and they probably want to spend resources elsewhere.  I also fully expect Kromer to have them playing really well by the midpoint of the year.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This x100. We lost because we are losers. Winners win and get home field advantage. 

 

The team with homefield advantage last year started the season 1-2 last year and 3-4 at one point.  

 

Here you are again with this "losers are losers" talk.  Grow up my god.

[BarleyNY]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Allen was the least sacked QB DESPITE the Oline. You guys don’t get it. Allen is so fluid he gets away with it. 
 

It like someone avoiding potholes in WNY, it’s amazing if you can dodge it unscathed, but there shouldn’t be potholes to begin with competent management. 

Last season the OL was built to pass block. They built the line that way at the expense of run blocking, which they were poor at. This off-season they traded some pass blocking prowess for better run blockers. I have no idea why they did that. It has been my only big worry on that side of the ball. And it’s a big one. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by BarleyNY

[Negan]

The Bills will absolutely trounce the Phins when they come to Buffalo in December.  They won't forget 

[Royale with Cheese]

If Allen completes the pass at the end to a wide open McKenzie, we wouldn't have so many people with their panties in a wad.

Even if we won, I would still say the weather is an issue.  

[Billever76]

3 minutes ago, T master said:

Being a transplanted yankee moving to south florida in the late 90's and then working in the heat every day for the next 20 yrs i can say from personal experience it takes time to build up a tolerance to that kind of heat & you have to drink a ton of water to stay hydrated .

 

That being said i can't imagine running constantly up and down the field in the heat that would be unbelievably hard !! 

 

Wait ill the Fins come to Buffalo !! 

You could clone the Miami team and have them hypothetically play themselves and the team in the sun would be at a disadvantage esp late in the game

[Just Jack]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Someone, I think it was the Minnesota Twins in the Metrodome, figured out that the ventilation system created a draft, either in from the outfield or out from home plate.   So, they began turning the ventilation on and off every half inning, so that the Twins had the advantage of the draft.   It actually affected play, at least until the league discovered they were doing that and made them stop.  

 

The Bills would do the same thing with the door at the end of the tunnel, opening it and closing it when it gave the Bills an advantage with the wind. 

 

 

The NFL basically forced Miami to put up the canopy in 2015 if they ever wanted to host a SB again.  If the NFL wants to, they can force Miami to cover up the hole in the middle. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by Just Jack

[nedboy7]

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Let me know when McD wins a super bowl with a Ferrari QB. He has zero excuses. It’s win or leave. 

That’s like a skip bayless hot take!  You need to show respect to the staff that made this team. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by nedboy7

[Livinginthepast]

The NFL needs to be a little but more concerned with not just safe conditions but conditions that are conducive to a good product. The game despite its high temps was decent but it would have been better played at 7pm.  They should have the ability to flex games to the nights for extreme temperatures.  Yesterday was a prime example.  But getting the NFL to reconsider these things is like getting a constitutional amendment. 

[TheFunPolice]

with all that happened, we were 3 plays and 1 yard away from winning. 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Lived in south fl 30 years. Cant tell you the amount of people that died because of the heat. For a league that chants player safety it's a joke they let them build the stadium like that. 

[since79]

12 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

It's too hot and sunny? Boo hoo! 

 

The Bills didn't bring tents for shade, they didn't bring the mist machines, they didn't bring anything to prepare for the heat. That's on coaching. 

 

Imagine if Miami showed up to Buffalo in December with no coats, no blankets, no heaters, nothing then complained it was cold.

 

Crying about the weather is lame. We are better than this. 

Just curious, I was looking around for sideline rules, and I could not find any.  I thought I heard if Miami does not want tents on their side the other side cannot have them.  Teams must be able to bring whatever they want provided the home team is using the same. The league likely would not allow one team with tents and the other without. It would create an unfair advantage.

 

If tents were allowed, I am sure we would have them.  You can only prepare to what you are allowed to do.

 

Does their shade create a competitive advantage, yes.  This can't be denied. Despite this we had a chance to win, it is not why we lost so no Boo hoo.  

[nedboy7]

19 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

 

It's too hot and sunny? Boo hoo! 

 

The Bills didn't bring tents for shade, they didn't bring the mist machines, they didn't bring anything to prepare for the heat. That's on coaching. 

 

Imagine if Miami showed up to Buffalo in December with no coats, no blankets, no heaters, nothing then complained it was cold.

 

Crying about the weather is lame. We are better than this. 

Just when I thought you couldn’t out do your pathetic comments in the GDT you come thru with a gem!  

[Low Positive]

@IronMaidenBills has me going through old Pats seasons and every year except the undefeated one there were close regular season losses during the Brady/Belichick years. And in that undefeated year, they lost the SB by 3 to a 10-6 Giants team. So yes, the greatest coach in NFL history does lose “these types of games.” All teams do. If close losses didn’t happen NFL football would be boring like Alabama-Citidel games.

[Billever76]

3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

@IronMaidenBills has me going through old Pats seasons and every year except the undefeated one there were close regular season losses during the Brady/Belichick years. And in that undefeated year, they lost the SB by 3 to a 10-6 Giants team. So yes, the greatest coach in NFL history does lose “these types of games.” All teams do. If close losses didn’t happen NFL football would be boring like Alabama-Citidel games.

Bill belichick and the pats franchise actually argued this Miami stadium design and its unfair advantages to the league....everyone laughed at it then...but even those juggernaut pats dynasty teams regularly lost and took massive upsets down in miami Sept and early oct and it wasn't because Miami was a good team either.....Miami is what they have always been and that's fools gold....but man do they have a huge advantage by stadium design

Edited September 26, 2022 by Billever76

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

That’s like a skip bayless hot take!  You need to show respect to the staff that made this team. 

Lol Ravens won with Trent fan Dilfer. Imagine not winning a super bowl with Josh Allen. Embarrassing really. 

[muppy]

I woke up this morning thinking about this game. The NFL scheduling gods did our bills no weather favors. I posted a lot about how the weather here in socal was unprecedentedly hot, heat advisories etc on and on and on last week. This week again hot and humid in miami

 

People these men are not machines. In retrospect ( I am not a Dr) but  I think it was impossible to properly and fully prepare the human beings body to withstand such extreme heats while playing NFL football within such a short span of time. Physically. Conditioned or not human biology vs mother nature. She won yesterday. Never mind the dolphins planning their stadium for a home field advantage.  That's a given. It's a no brainer. plus its miami. 

 

Yesterdays game i just more bitterness to add to my how much I hate miami pile. It is precisely games like THIS that von miller has pleaded with us to BURN. I have taken the analogy to heart.  AND the cherry are all the injuries. Lord have mercy.

 

**** the dolphins c ya again later this season.  

 

m

 

@ArtVandalay hello this is no boo hoo issue hermano. This is and could have been life impacting. just sayin'.

Edited September 26, 2022 by muppy

[ArtVandalay]

5 minutes ago, since79 said:

Just curious, I was looking around for sideline rules, and I could not find any.  I thought I heard if Miami does not want tents on their side the other side cannot have them.  Teams must be able to bring whatever they want provided the home team is using the same. The league likely would not allow one team with tents and the other without. It would create an unfair advantage.

 

If tents were allowed, I am sure we would have them.  You can only prepare to what you are allowed to do.

 

Does their shade create a competitive advantage, yes.  This can't be denied. Despite this we had a chance to win, it is not why we lost so no Boo hoo.  

Tents are allowed, other teams bring them.  New England does this.

[Milanos Milano]

8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

with all that happened, we were 3 plays and 1 yard away from winning. 

The fact that we lost with the stat line we had is a national embarrassment. We always do this, we are King Billsy. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[nedboy7]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Lol Ravens won with Trent fan Dilfer. Imagine not winning a super bowl with Josh Allen. Embarrassing really. 

 

Ok Skip.