NFLPA initiating investigation into Tua’s concussion protocol

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

So he admits they don't look at the video evidence of how he was loopy on the field.  Also seemed to say loss of motor function isn't a "no go", despite it absolutely being so?

It probably isn’t an automatic no go if there is some kind of reasonable alternate explanation…which they thought they had 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

So he admits they don't look at the video evidence of how he was loopy on the field.  Also seemed to say loss of motor function isn't a "no go", despite it absolutely being so?

That’s what I thought but I guess stumbling after a hit to the head only gets you evaluated. Then the doctors determine what caused the stumbling.

 

In this case they’re trying to make us believe the stumbling was caused by his back. But there is no report of a back injury and we see him shaking and grabbing his head beg and after stumbling.

 

How could the doctors determine the stumbling was back related? Visually everything looked to be head related.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Was the back injury reported? Do NFL teams have to report injuries that get examined during the game?
 

We have eyes. Honestly I would rather just have the old rules back where we didn’t care about concussions and just let the players decide for themselves.

 

The NFL thinks we’re stupid. 

I feel like I remember hearing he had a back injury coming into the bills game but I’ll see if I can find any info on it.  

Edited September 30, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[1ManRaid]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

It probably isn’t an automatic no go if there is some kind of reasonable alternate explanation…which they thought they had 

 

Which is an absolute failure in the protocols if true.  If you leave loopholes like that in, they WILL be abused.  It's possible to have two independent causes of similar symptoms concurrently, that's why the automatic no gos are supposed to be there.  This is all just plausible deniability for a cover up from a scumbag organization. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I feel like I remember hearing he had a back injury coming into the bills game but I’ll see if I can find any info on it.  

I’ll save you time, There was no official injury reported before the game or during the game.

[nucci]

14 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

My guess with absolutely zero medical training  but several documented concussions lol is that he probably had a back injury and a concussion.  the team doctor probably suggested the loss of motor function could’ve happened from the back injury if he passed all the other concussion tests and the independent neurologist said it was possible.  It’s the team doctors call ultimately.

 

I bet they waited til halftime to test him so he got some of his wits back.  If he got that test right away no way he would’ve passed 

Yup a loophole that was exploited either accidentally or knowingly 

all possible but we know it was a cover. Everyone watching Sunday could tell his head slammed on the field and that was why he couldn't walk

[Warcodered]

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

7 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

Whilst I appreciate the point what was known about Doyle’s fitness when we put him on the field late on? At what point did he pick up the torn ACL?

Not the same thing at all. And I am confused, is there some question of when he was injured?

Edited September 30, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

all possible but we know it was a cover. Everyone watching Sunday could tell his head slammed on the field and that was why he couldn't walk

Yep it was some combination of bad medical advice, weak protocols, and intentionally getting an important player back on the field and it’s hard to tell how big of a factor each of those pieces was with what is publicly available.  At the end of the day the dolphins coaches could’ve chosen to hold him out…there’s no way a doctor could say tua absolutely did not have a concussion from the 10 minute test they do 

[YoloinOhio]

Is this guy for real? 

 

[ehfeuh57]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Was the back injury reported? Do NFL teams have to report injuries that get examined during the game?
 

We have eyes. Honestly I would rather just have the old rules back where we didn’t care about concussions and just let the players decide for themselves.

 

The NFL thinks we’re stupid. 

 

Yes the back injury was reported almost immediately, did you watch the game? They then had to maintain this excuse for the rest of the game, the next half week of practice and the next game and are still maintaining this excuse at this very moment.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this guy for real? 

 

 

In other words "Please let him play against the Jets".

 

We all know what the Dolphins represent - wins before people.

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this guy for real? 

 

In his defense, MacGruber is a hilarious movie so I can understand him laughing the whole time.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

In other words "Please let him play against the Jets".

 

We all know what the Dolphins represent - wins before people.

Everything that comes out of this man's mouth on this is the wrong thing. When my daughter got a concussion, she was told to not look at screens. The doctor said that "the brain needs to rest to heal."

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Which is an absolute failure in the protocols if true.  If you leave loopholes like that in, they WILL be abused.  It's possible to have two independent causes of similar symptoms concurrently, that's why the automatic no gos are supposed to be there.  This is all just plausible deniability for a cover up from a scumbag organization. 

Absolutely…they will 100% have to overhaul the protocols after this at the very least

[UKBillFan]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Everything that comes out of this man's mouth on this is the wrong thing. When my daughter got a concussion, she was told to not look at screens. The doctor said that "the brain needs to rest to heal."

 

Maybe they're still trying to pass it off as a back injury?

 

This is starting to remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python.

12 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Not the same thing at all. And I am confused, is there some question of when he was injured?

 

I don't know when we were aware of his injury - did we put him out there knowing he was hurt or did it happen/only come to light after the game? I have no idea.

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this guy for real? 

 

Then Tua turned to him and said "Man I love Murder, She Wrote"

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this guy for real? 

 

Aren't their a lot of explosions in that movie?

[Low Positive]

They're still not treating this seriously. Here is a quote from a concussion information sheet:

 

"Limit activities that require a lot of thinking or concentration (including social activities, homework, video games, texting, computer, driving, job-related activities, movies, parties). These activities can slow the brain's recovery."

[balln]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Then Tua turned to him and said "Man I love Murder, She Wrote"

Aren't their a lot of explosions in that movie?

read MLJ twitter feed. one of the most bizarre unfomfortable pressers from a coach.

 

clearly mcdaniel was uncomfortable. trying to cover it / get out in front of it. and really poor PR. kept talking / trying to talk it out . made things worse

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, DrDare said:

 

Yes the back injury was reported almost immediately, did you watch the game? They then had to maintain this excuse for the rest of the game, the next half week of practice and the next game and are still maintaining this excuse at this very moment.

Their coach said he suffered the back injury earlier in the game. You’re telling me they reported the back injury earlier in the game? I only heard about the back after he hit his head.

[nucci]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this guy for real? 

 

McDaniel should stop talking

 

McDaniel said that he was cleared “by several layers of medical professionals” of having “any head injury whatsoever” in the Buffalo game.

Edited September 30, 2022 by nucci

[Golden*Wheels]

The injury in our game WAS reported as a head injury by the Dolphins BEFORE mysteriously becoming a back issue, wasn't it?

[balln]

1 minute ago, Golden*Wheels said:

The injury in our game WAS reported as a head injury by the Dolphins BEFORE mysteriously becoming a back issue, wasn't it?

sure was

[Solomon Grundy]

Those guys on First Things First are tools!! Prick Wright tries to bring up the Mahomes situation from last year where the team took him out of the game because they thought he had a concussion. Wright says he spoke to Mahomes and the Rat said he wasn't concussed, just choked out. Prick even said Mahomes head never hit the ground. Video shows Mahomes got pile drived 
 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[ExiledInIllinois]

28 minutes ago, nucci said:

McDaniel should stop talking

 

McDaniel said that he was cleared “by several layers of medical professionals” of having “any head injury whatsoever” in the Buffalo game.

Where did they dig that clown out of?  Wow... If there's ever a dweeb you wanna stuff in a locker and forget the combination,  it's him. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Cover up incoming!

Will be tough to destroy all the tapes this time a la spygate

[Warcodered]

 

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Those guys on First Things First are tools!! Prick Wright tries to bring up the Mahomes situation from last year where the team took him out of the game because they thought he had a concussion. Wright says he spoke to Mahomes and the Rat said he wasn't concussed, just choked out. Prick even said Mahomes head never hit the ground. Video shows Mahomes got pile drived 
 

 

Didn't really trust that then, but you could at least see the argument for him being choked out.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

 

Didn't really trust that then, but you could at least see the argument for him being choked out.

His head CLEARLY hit the ground in this video, so both things can be true

[Motorin']

32 minutes ago, nucci said:

McDaniel should stop talking

 

McDaniel said that he was cleared “by several layers of medical professionals” of having “any head injury whatsoever” in the Buffalo game.

 

He also said Tua told him the reason he collapsed was bc his "back felt like Gumby" which sounds an awful lot like something a concussed person would say. 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Motorin'

[Dick_Cheney]

Love to have my brain damaged quarterback stare at screens for hours while on an airplane.

[Low Positive]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

Love to have my brain damaged quarterback stare at screens for hours while on an airplane.

And on a probably loud team plane.

[Warcodered]

 

[ehfeuh57]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Their coach said he suffered the back injury earlier in the game. You’re telling me they reported the back injury earlier in the game? I only heard about the back after he hit his head.

 

Usually in game injuries aren't reported until that player comes out for a period of time. So although it appears he may have actually hurt his back earlier, i don't think/recall their was a report of a "back injury" until after the CONCUSSION.

Just now, DrDare said:

 

Usually in game injuries aren't reported until that player comes out for a period of time. So although it appears he may have actually hurt his back earlier, I don't think/recall there was a report of a "back injury" until after the CONCUSSION.

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said:

My understanding from listening to sports talk radio (assuming they know what they're talking about) is that even if you "pass" the tests, the loss of motor control he displayed on the field is supposed to automatically disqualify you from returning to the game.  I can only assume the doctors worked off a different interpretation of the rule where they only counted his motor control during the actual tests to have plausible deniability.  The automatic disqualification is supposed to prevent these "just a back injury" situations where the player is able to shake out the cobwebs before the test.

 

Miami needs to be severely punished for this if the league wants to retain any shred of credibility regarding player safety.

 

From the NFL website:

 

Quote

"No-Go" Signs and Symptoms.

If a player exhibits or reports any of the following signs or symptoms of concussion, he must be removed immediately from the field of play and transported to the locker room. If a neutral sideline observer or a member of the player's club's medical team observes a player exhibit or receives a report that a player has experienced any of the following signs or symptoms, the player shall be considered to have suffered a concussion and may not return to participation (practice or play) on the same day under any circumstances:

 

Loss of Consciousness (including Impact Seizure and/or "fencing posture")

Gross Motor Instability (GMI), identified in the judgment of the club medical staff in consultation with the Sideline UNC, who observe the player's behavior, have access to the player's relevant history and are able to rule out an orthopedic cause for any observed instability

Confusion

Amnesia

 

A blind man can see that wasnt orthopedic.

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is this guy for real? 

 

 

He was able to laugh during a movie?  Ok hes good for next week.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

I won’t be surprised if they immediately change the “no go” loophole.

 

 

 

[syhuang]

So Tua has a "back" injury and is not in concussion protocol leading to yesterday's game but he is still required to check for concussion symptoms every day?

 

Is this something new in the "protocol"? Does NFL do that for all players suspecting to concussion these days? or just Tua only even he has a "back" injury?

 

 

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

And on a probably loud team plane.

I'm sure this movie didn't have any flashing lights or loud noises either.

 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, syhuang said:

So Tua has a "back" injury and is not in concussion protocol leading to yesterday's game but he is still required to check for concussion symptoms every day?

 

Is this something new in the "protocol"? Does NFL do that for all players suspecting to concussion these days? or just Tua only even he has a "back" injury?

 

 

 

I am unaware of any player ever being checked for concussion symptoms daily while NOT being in the concussion protocol.

[Golden*Wheels]

33 minutes ago, balln said:

sure was

Thought I recalled that. Then WTF, for real.

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Maybe they're still trying to pass it off as a back injury?

 

This is starting to remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python.

 

I don't know when we were aware of his injury - did we put him out there knowing he was hurt or did it happen/only come to light after the game? I have no idea.

Doyle was injured in game it appears and pretty sure he didn’t come back into the game after the injury. Your trying to tie the two events seems like a reach. Not to mention a knee injury compared to a brain injury is like comparing apples to oranges.