It's Miami Week...Squish The Fish!!!!!

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I do think the Bills want to run the ball effectively to set up the pass and keep the defense honest. In two games, Dorsey seems more committed to the run than Dabol. However, in the end it's Allen who makes this team go. 

 

Many of the runs end us as passes due to the RPO concepts we run...most of those throws to Diggs on the outside would have been runs if the defenders weren't playin off coverage on him so much and giving us free 7-12 yard gains. Very similar to what Tom Brady used to do in NE...simply pull the ball from the RB and throw it to uncovered WR for easy yards.  Allen talked about their passing game being part of their running game.

Edited September 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Many of the runs end us as passes due to the RPO concepts we run...most of those throws to Diggs on the outside would have been runs if the defenders weren't playin off coverage on him so much and giving us free 7-12 yard gains. Allen talked about their passing game being part of their running game.

The threat of the run is very important. In the past, Dabol lacked that threat for too long. I think this offense has a decent run threat now. Not great but enough to be a great offense. I really liked that Allen only had to run once last game. I do think his legs will be used more vs better teams and bigger games. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

We see that every week here.  Guys thinking Bills would lose to the Rams.  Then after beating on the Rams in LA people were worried about the Titans coming off a loss to the Giants and we saw how that turned out.  Now it's the Dolphins and big bad Tua, fresh off his one quarter of good play, and the board are getting their collective panties in a bunch.  This fanbase has been down for so long some fans don't know how to react to success...next thing you know you see threads popping up about missing the losing...WTF are you kidding me???

 

Look, this team is good with a chance to be great.  Probably the best Bills team I have seen in my lifetime.  Don't let a few injuries to the secondary scare you when the Bills are facing a noodle-armed QB that has done exactly zero against a McD/Frazier defense in his first two seasons.  Yeah he has some fast receivers, but we have a new and improved monster of a D line to get after him, and our own Superman under center when we have the ball.

 

Bills by a billion.

 

I mean after 3 years of historically good performances over that length of time you'd think things would change...if this team can't get you out of that mindset, I don't think anything ever will.

[YoloinOhio]

44 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

I love how this dude just completely ignores VON FREAKING MILLER 

 

Wait a minute...this guy is basically saying they just need Tua to throw 10 TD's and they will win?  Hate to say he's probably right...if Tua throws 10 TD's Buffalo are in trouble 😆

 

We just need Tua to keep playing like he did in the second half last week and we will win.

Tua and the team was in desperation mode at that point and that’s not normally how they run their offense. It’s usually short, quick passes. Ravens had only two healthy pass rushers for that game AND a totally depleted secondary by that point. It will be interesting to see if they go back to their normal offense or decide to let him drop back and throw downfield due to all the success he had in the 4th qtr, which isn’t his forte (holding on to the ball). 

Edited September 23, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Big Turk]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

The threat of the run is very important. In the past, Dabol lacked that threat for too long. I think this offense has a decent run threat now. Not great but enough to be a great offense. I really liked that Allen only had to run once last game. I do think his legs will be used more vs better teams and bigger games. 

 

To a degree it is.  There are some that would say anytime you are taking the ball out of Allen's hands it is a win for the defense.

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Tua and the team was in desperation mode at that point and that’s not normally how they run their offense. It’s usually short, quick passes. Ravens had only two healthy pass rushers for that game AND a totally depleted secondary by that point. It will be interesting to see if they go back to their normal offense or decide to let him drop back and throw downfield due to all the success he had in the 4th qtr, which isn’t his forte (holding on to the ball). 

 

Throwing downfield requires time...I don't think he would have it and they would quickly realize it.

[Peace Frog]

37 - 20 Bills

Edited September 23, 2022 by Peace Frog

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

lol, my favorite talking point had to be how we were going to take the ball out of Josh's hands and become a run first team because we signed a Titans tackle (as depth) that excels in run blocking!

Lol, that was great.  My favorite talking point:  the current crickets.  
 

Listening to every talking head praise the depth of this team is ironic

[Royale with Cheese]

Dane Jackson, Micah Hyde and Phillips are out per McDermott.

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

To a degree it is.  There are some that would say anytime you are taking the ball out of Allen's hands it is a win for the defense.

 

Throwing downfield requires time...I don't think he would have it and they would quickly realize it.

The Bills pass rush will be the key to stopping the Dolphins offense. However, you do realize that Tua gets most of his passes off very quickly. At least that's their goal. If they are successful that will negate the Bills pass rush. 

[The Wiz]

Hyde, Phillips and Jackson out for Sunday according to McD.

[newcam2012]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

To a degree it is.  There are some that would say anytime you are taking the ball out of Allen's hands it is a win for the defense.

 

Throwing downfield requires time...I don't think he would have it and they would quickly realize it.

I know that the Bills pass scheme is very good. However, isn't anyone concerned about rookies Elam and Bedford matched up on Hill and Waddle? Any legit unbiased football fan can see that's a huge mismatch. 

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Dane Jackson, Micah Hyde and Phillips are out per McDermott.

Bills secondary is in huge trouble. Hyde and Jackson out is terrible. Not sure the Bills can stop their offense. More specifically Hill and Waddle. Hill has a "Bill beater." This game will need to be won by Allen and the offense. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Bills secondary is in huge trouble. Hyde and Jackson out is terrible. Not sure the Bills can stop their offense. More specifically Hill and Waddle. Hill has a "Bill beater." This game will need to be won by Allen and the offense. 

 

We'll see.  I trust our front 4 and our defense.  The Dolphins have had one great quarter of offense.  The Ravens and Pats for the majority of their games held them.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Hyde, Phillips and Jackson out for Sunday according to McD.

 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

Thank you, Yolo...

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Hopefully Poyer, Oliver, and Settle can go.

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills pass rush will be the key to stopping the Dolphins offense. However, you do realize that Tua gets most of his passes off very quickly. At least that's their goal. If they are successful that will negate the Bills pass rush. 

 

I watched both Dolphins games in their entirety this year.  Tua is very sackable and I was not overly impressed with him.  Doesn't really look much different than he did the last year and a half, just has better weapons around him and threw the ball up to wide open WR's in the 4th quarter.  He certainly didn't look like that the previous 7 quarters I watched.  

 

Actually Tua is kinda middle of the pack this year at 2.4 seconds on average.  Allen is 2nd in the NFL at 2.1 seconds.

 

Tua also is the 3rd most blitzed and 4th most hurried QB in the league. What happens when he is hurried as much or more but without the blitzes?

 

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Edited September 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Process]

We can get by missing those three. Our entire offense would be a go. Just need to hope Hyde is not long term.

 

If we end up missing Gabe, another DT and poyer, then there would be some concern. But right now I'm not worried.

 

Bills putting up 30+.

[Virgil]

This is going to be rough.  Hyde missing time is really going to make the loss of Dane that much worse.  Jordan has been the spirit of this defensive line.

 

I don't like where this is going.  We need Oliver back at a min and Elam better be ready

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I guess we’re going to find out just how much Poyer and Hyde are worth.

Edited September 23, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I know that the Bills pass scheme is very good. However, isn't anyone concerned about rookies Elam and Bedford matched up on Hill and Waddle? Any legit unbiased football fan can see that's a huge mismatch. 

Bills secondary is in huge trouble. Hyde and Jackson out is terrible. Not sure the Bills can stop their offense. More specifically Hill and Waddle. Hill has a "Bill beater." This game will need to be won by Allen and the offense. 

Is Elam that much worse then Jackson? Losing Hyde sucks but we have been without him and Poyer at times before

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I know that the Bills pass scheme is very good. However, isn't anyone concerned about rookies Elam and Bedford matched up on Hill and Waddle? Any legit unbiased football fan can see that's a huge mismatch. 

Bills secondary is in huge trouble. Hyde and Jackson out is terrible. Not sure the Bills can stop their offense. More specifically Hill and Waddle. Hill has a "Bill beater." This game will need to be won by Allen and the offense. 

 

They aren't matched up on them tho.  The Bills are playing zone 91% of their snaps this year, highest in the NFL.  It ends up being a team defense strategy.  

 

I promise you, we can revisit this after the game and you will see you were worried about things you didn't need to be. 

Miami is not scoring more than 24.

Edited September 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

Man this will be interesting. Essentially a totally new back 4.

 

Elam

Benford

Johnson

Hamlin

 

One thing I know for sure though: Frazier and McD are elite at coaching DBs. They will certainly be put to the test.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Is Elam that much worse then Jackson? Losing Hyde sucks but we have been without him and Poyer at times before

Hyde and Poyer have played nearly every game together since 2017.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

NBC 6 Weekend Football Preview: It's Been a Long While Since Dolphins-Bills Meant This Much

 

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/nbc-6-weekend-football-preview-its-been-a-long-while-since-dolphins-bills-meant-this-much/2864348/

 

they REALLY think they are back 

 

Bills 

Bengals TNF 

JETS

 

Could they lose all 3 

Edited September 23, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[ArdmoreRyno]

Fins fans... lol

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

This is going to be rough.  Hyde missing time is really going to make the loss of Dane that much worse.  Jordan has been the spirit of this defensive line.

 

I don't like where this is going.  We need Oliver back at a min and Elam better be ready

 

I would say Von has been the spirit of our defensive line.  Phillips is a good hype man.  

 

[Blank Stare]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I think we’ll hold up fine without Hyde and Jackson. Not saying we don’t need them or that it would be easy, but I think Jaquan is ready to play. That said, missing both Hyde and Poyer along with two rookie CBs might be too much on defense. And I like Hamlin and this staff’s ability to coach up the secondary, but boy that’s a lot of missing experience on the back end. 
 

Edit: Not at all suggesting this means we lose. Just that the defense may give up more and look a lot different. That said, I still have a lot of faith in Josh and the rest of the O to pick up the D. 

Edited September 23, 2022 by TheProcess

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I would say Von has been the spirit of our defensive line.  Phillips is a good hype man.  

 

Also, it's not like Phillips is dead he's going to be on the sideline hyping the team up.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

I don't know why I enjoy reading the Finheaven forum so much, but stuff like this is making for an amusing Friday morning.  Just when I thought I had seen the most delusional post, another one comes along.  This guy thinks the dolphins have a more talented 53 than the Bills and that their D line and defense is just as good.  You can't make this stuff up!

 

PhinFan1968 said:

100% going to depend on the OL. If we can stimy, or at least mitigate that beast ass D line they have, we're in business. Especially on 3rd down.

 

TannDaMan17 said:

It’s not that great. Our dline and defense in general is just as good as theirs. We just need Tua to keep playing like he did in the second half last week and we will win. Obviously their defense is better than Baltimores, but they got injuries and don’t have as much talent on the 53 as we do, contingent on the performance of Tua Tagovailoa. I believe.

I don’t think those are wild takes. 
 

With a beat up secondary, we’ll need a big showing from our DL to help give our DB’s some slack against a good WR pair. 
 

The not as much talent on the 53 seems absurd. But he is right saying that whatever their talent level is is contingent on Tua keeping up pace from last weeks Q4.

[newcam2012]

13 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Is Elam that much worse then Jackson? Losing Hyde sucks but we have been without him and Poyer at times before

You confident Elam can match up with either of Miami's receivers? I'm not. He's a rookie, unproven, and matching up against an elite WR. That doesn't instill confidence. Everyone is banking on a creepy Tua and a Bills pass rush. We will see how it plays out. All I know is the Dolphins have a glaring Bills hole to try to expose. Hyde out certainly makes a huge difference too. The safety net is 50% gone. 

[Logic]

Presuming Gabe is healthy and our offense is essentially intact, I keep coming back to the same thought:

I just don't see how the Dolphins are going to stop Josh Allen or score enough points to keep up with the Bills offense.

Will they put up points against our defense, given the incredibly banged up secondary? Probably, yes. But I watched Lamar Jackson cut through the Dolphins defense like a hot knife through butter last Sunday. The Ravens were a goal line fumble away from scoring 42 points. 

Even WITH our defensive injuries, I can't see the Dolphins scoring more points than the Bills. I firmly believe that our defense will limit their offense more effectively than their defense will limit our offense.

[Chandler#81]

Bills at Dolphins #Throwback

 

[newcam2012]

18 minutes ago, Virgil said:

This is going to be rough.  Hyde missing time is really going to make the loss of Dane that much worse.  Jordan has been the spirit of this defensive line.

 

I don't like where this is going.  We need Oliver back at a min and Elam better be ready

I've been echoing similar posts. Most here Don't want to hear it. I know you are a long time respected member. Maybe your concerns will have a bigger impact than mine. 

[Beast]

45 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I do think the Bills want to run the ball effectively to set up the pass and keep the defense honest. In two games, Dorsey seems more committed to the run than Dabol. However, in the end it's Allen who makes this team go. 

 

Again, the Bills offense will be the Bills offense. They aren't going to change up based on we have injuries on the defensive side of the ball. 

 

Do you think if we were playing the Chiefs that they would run the ball more to keep it away from our offense if they had players out on defense?

 

Of course not. To think so is silly.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I've been echoing similar posts. Most here Don't want to hear it. I know you are a long time respected member. Maybe your concerns will have a bigger impact than mine. 

 

Is it not okay to not be as concerned?  Some of us have faith in our front 4.  NE pressured Tua and sacked him 3 times....we can't do that?

Tua doesn't get the ball out quickly consistently...he's middle of the pack.  Allen gets the ball out quicker.