Cody Ford to Arizona

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Oh it was snarky as hell, I freely admit.  And not really directed at you, so I apologize.  I have had it up to you-know-where with the incessant rehashing of the Cody Ford pick.  It’s a horse that was dead a long time ago, yet keeps being beaten.  To some that apparently means they are “keeping it real” with respect to Beane.  To me it’s just a lot of wasted breath.  All GMs make some terrible decisions; what separates the good and great ones is recognizing those mistakes, doing what they can to correct them, and making a hell of a lot of other great decisions that make up for the occasional miss.

 

And that is the last post I will write in this thread.

 

Go Bills!

 

Thank you for the apology. This is probably a thread you should avoid then if that's how you feel being it's a thread about Cody Ford it's a solid chance it gets brought up. 

 

Anyway, we all good and again, appreciate the apology

[SCBills]

7 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

When their top off-season acquisitions are Rodger Saffold, OJ Howard, and Jamison Crowder.  

Would you feel better if the Chiefs acquired Von Miller and then had to settle for some role player Free Agents on Offense while we went out and signed MVS and Juju?

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Would you feel better if the Chiefs acquired Von Miller and then had to settle for some role player Free Agents on Offense while we went out and signed MVS and Juju?

 

Yeah I can't make sense of it. No idea why anyone that looks at this offense that now has the receiving threat out the back field in Cook along with what Shakir has shown and say they are not keeping pace on offense and be serious. Past couple seasons they already were one of the best offenses in the league

 

It makes me feel like it might be bull pooping seeing what people will say? 

[teef]

11 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Yeah I can't make sense of it. No idea why anyone that looks at this offense that now has the receiving threat out the back field in Cook along with what Shakir has shown and say they are not keeping pace on offense and be serious. Past couple seasons they already were one of the best offenses in the league

 

It makes me feel like it might be bull pooping seeing what people will say? 

just consider the source.  the guy has had a weird hard on for this staff since day one.  

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

just consider the source.  the guy has had a weird hard on for this staff since day one.  

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, teef said:

just consider the source.  the guy has had a weird hard on for this staff since day one.  

 

Lol, I haven't had the pleasure of seeing much of his content. I have a hard time taking this one serious 

[Royale with Cheese]

10 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I don't live or die on likes.  This ain't some mindless Twitter post where people crave validation for their thoughts.    

 

My criticism is directed toward how this franchise values and allocates picks/UFA dollars on offense.  And I suspect how they'll scheme the offense this season.

 

Josh covers up a lot of their offensive deficit in skill players and this will become evident when they try to balance out their run-pass play-calls. 

 

Another big issue is their skill players aside from Diggs aren't blazers.  Last season in more than 1100 offensive snaps they had just 2 plays more than 50 yards.  

 

And I know about Davis' Divisional round game where he broke a few.  This season he moves up to be a Z from that 3rd option he'd been before.  He's never had a catch rate over 57% and now faces better coverage.   

 

The AFC is quickly become dominated by the teams who not only have the QB, but feature 3 and 4 receiving options.  Compared to Cincinnati, the Chargers, and KC, Buffalo is not keeping pace offensively nor do I expect their defense to get to the playoffs and shut offenses down.  Defenses can't do that anymore. 

 

The Rams won the Super Bowl by giving up 21 points per game while in the playoffs.

The Bengals got to the Super Bowl by giving up 19 points per game while in the playoffs.

 

Nope, defenses can't do that anymore lol.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I get why there are Bills homers on here that twist facts to be optimistic about our team. I don't get why there are people like you, anti-homers that perform mental gymnastics to make the Bills look worse and our rivals look better. No the Chiefs did not prioritize offense when they traded away their best skill position player and replaced him with two lesser players, then drafted a pass rusher and a CB with their top 2 picks. Before you try to argue against that, stop. Think. Nobody except Chiefs homers and weird anti-homers like you would try to make that argument.

 

 

 

The Mahomes/Reid Chiefs have been to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them.

 

They have knocked the Bills out of the playoffs each of the past two seasons.

 

They get the benefit of the doubt over McBeane because of that...............that's how victory works.

 

But they also have built arguably the most talented offensive line in football over the course of the last 16 months or so.     

 

The Bills are choosing to add that kind of talent to their defense instead of their offense..............and then instead add a lot of spare parts and value draft picks to their offense.     The investment on the defensive side of the ball has been lopsided.    There is no arguing against this........dollars and high draft picks are the big chips in the NFL personnel biz.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Would you feel better if the Chiefs acquired Von Miller and then had to settle for some role player Free Agents on Offense while we went out and signed MVS and Juju?

 

It doesn't matter the moves we make.  He hates McDermott and will find any way to criticize him.

[Robert Paulson]

1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

I bet that most objective observers feel that Cook was the Bills' top off-season offensive acquisition.

you mean Blackshear      /s

[Bill from NYC]

19 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

The coaches and front office handling of Ford really casts into doubt their "failing" forward approach on players, especially picks.

 

And, he's the highest drafted OLineman they've taken in 6 drafts which supports my contention that they struggle to identify and develop offensive personnel.      

This is the way of the Bills, who historically do not place a high priority on blockers. Ralph drafted players in order to "put fannies in the seats." Marv had a fetish for defensive backs, even before the rule changes which favor the passing game. McDermott didn't want Mahommes, the wanted Tre White.

 

The good news? The Jets are following suit. They passed on LT Evan Neal for a corner at freaking #4, who played at a group of 5 school. He might be "good" but he was certainly not well tested in college and oh.....they just lost their LT for the season. It is hard to believe that professional football people could be so stupid.

 

The great news? We have Josh Allen, who if he stays healthy has a great shot at the HOF. I just want the Bills management to care more about protecting this kid and giving weapons. Is this asking too much?

[BillsVet]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

The great news? We have Josh Allen, who if he stays healthy has a great shot at the HOF. I just want the Bills management to care more about protecting this kid and giving weapons. Is this asking too much?

 

You'd think that after paying Josh 40M+ for 6 seasons they'd put better talent in front of him so he's less likely to get hurt.  I guess they figure running it more and taking the ball out of his hands is the safer approach.  We'll see.   

 

  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Would you feel better if the Chiefs acquired Von Miller and then had to settle for some role player Free Agents on Offense while we went out and signed MVS and Juju?

 

Here's what he said before the Von Miller signing.  

 

On 1/24/2022 at 10:50 AM, BillsVet said:

 

We're talking about a player who can change the direction of a game on DL, not decent types like those 3 you mentioned.  They're all OK, but not difference makers.

 

McD wants 8-9 Dlinemen who he can rotate because that's his out-dated scheme and he doesn't know anything else.  But it'd be nice to have a real pass rusher who can get to the QB rather than 2-3 JAGs like McD thinks as a rotation is better than 1 elite type. 

 

[SWATeam]

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

You'd think that after paying Josh 40M+ for 6 seasons they'd put better talent in front of him so he's less likely to get hurt.  I guess they figure running it more and taking the ball out of his hands is the safer approach.  We'll see.   

 

  

Seems to me like they've made substantial investments in the oline with Dawkins, Morse, and Bates- and then going after Saffold.  Drafting Spencer Brown and bringing in depth with starting experience.

 

Yes, we will see.  I wouldn't bet on one of the most pass happy teams in the league to "take the ball out of Allen's hands."

[BillsVet]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Here's what he said before the Von Miller signing.  

 

You've got a lot of time on your hands...and thanks for following me around like a lost puppy.  

 

I've never criticized the Miller signing and won't because they needed a bona-fide pass rusher because McBeane could (EDIT: not) find one in at least 4 off-seasons.

 

But context is key.  Buffalo kept sinking picks and UFA dollars into that DL and still couldn't pressure with their front 4 as evidenced by the Divisional game. 

 

Doesn't remove the fact their top investment and best player remains Josh.  And they did very little to support him besides another highly drafted RB and some 1 year UFA deals to aging veterans.  

Edited August 25, 2022 by BillsVet

[SWATeam]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You've got a lot of time on your hands...and thanks for following me around like a lost puppy.  

 

I've never criticized the Miller signing and won't because they needed a bona-fide pass rusher because McBeane could (EDIT: not) find one in at least 4 off-seasons.

 

But context is key.  Buffalo kept sinking picks and UFA dollars into that DL and still couldn't pressure with their front 4 as evidenced by the Divisional game. 

 

Doesn't remove the fact their top investment and best player remains Josh.  And they did very little to support him besides another highly drafted RB and some 1 year UFA deals to aging veterans.  

Hopefully one of these years we'll fix the offense!

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

You've got a lot of time on your hands...and thanks for following me around like a lost puppy.  

 

I've never criticized the Miller signing and won't because they needed a bona-fide pass rusher because McBeane could (EDIT: not) find one in at least 4 off-seasons.

 

But context is key.  Buffalo kept sinking picks and UFA dollars into that DL and still couldn't pressure with their front 4 as evidenced by the Divisional game. 

 

Doesn't remove the fact their top investment and best player remains Josh.  And they did very little to support him besides another highly drafted RB and some 1 year UFA deals to aging veterans.  

 

Dion Dawkins is one of the top paid LT in the league.

Mitch Morse is one of the top paid C in the league.

We signed Roger Saffold.

We didn't allow Ryan Bates to go to Chicago.

We used a day 2 pick on Spencer Brown.

 

Our offensive line played very well towards the end of the season.  We were executing both in the pass and run game.  Our offense was incredibly in our last 2 playoff games but we "can't keep up" with the Chargers and Chiefs lol?  If the Bills would have traded Stefon Diggs and brought in two lesser WR, you would have criticized McBeane.  The Chiefs trade Hill and bring in two lesser WR...great move!

 

Our DL was one of the top units in pressuring the QB.  We just needed a finisher and got one but you still complain.  

 

If the Divisional game shows we still can't get pressure then the AFCCG shows the Chiefs made a mistake trading away Hill because they couldn't score on the Bengals below average defense and now they got worse.....see I can use one game as "evidence".

10 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Hopefully one of these years we'll fix the offense!

 

We just can't score!

[SWATeam]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Dion Dawkins is one of the top paid LT in the league.

Mitch Morse is one of the top paid C in the league.

We signed Roger Saffold.

We didn't allow Ryan Bates to go to Chicago.

We used a day 2 pick on Spencer Brown.

 

Our offensive line played very well towards the end of the season.  We were executing both in the pass and run game.  Our offense was incredibly in our last 2 playoff games but we "can't keep up" with the Chargers and Chiefs lol?  If the Bills would have traded Stefon Diggs and brought in two lesser WR, you would have criticized McBeane.  The Chiefs trade Hill and bring in two lesser WR...great move!

 

Our DL was one of the top units in pressuring the QB.  We just needed a finisher and got one but you still complain.  

 

If the Divisional game shows we still can't get pressure then the AFCCG shows the Chiefs made a mistake trading away Hill because they couldn't score on the Bengals below average defense and now they got worse.....see I can use one game as "evidence".

 

We just can't score!

Also, you can add that we invested in bringing in one of the leagues best oline coaches.

[BillsVet]

7 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Seems to me like they've made substantial investments in the oline with Dawkins, Morse, and Bates- and then going after Saffold.  Drafting Spencer Brown and bringing in depth with starting experience.

 

Yes, we will see.  I wouldn't bet on one of the most pass happy teams in the league to "take the ball out of Allen's hands."

 

I don't think philosophically McD and Daboll saw eye to eye on offense.  Buffalo threw the ball 57% of the time last season and I can't see McD liked that imbalance.

 

It's why they went after an IOL who is suited toward run blocking and drafted (another) RB high.  We're going to see, but achieving offensive balance in this era is not always a good thing especially when you have an MVP candidate caliber QB.  

[ddaryl]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I don't think philosophically McD and Daboll saw eye to eye on offense.  Buffalo threw the ball 57% of the time last season and I can't see McD liked that imbalance.

 

It's why they went after an IOL who is suited toward run blocking and drafted (another) RB high.  We're going to see, but achieving offensive balance in this era is not always a good thing especially when you have an MVP candidate caliber QB.  

I don't think pass to run ratio will change much, but we were woefully unable to sustain any running game when we did for much of the season. We relied on QB designed runs too much ass well.

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I don't think philosophically McD and Daboll saw eye to eye on offense.  Buffalo threw the ball 57% of the time last season and I can't see McD liked that imbalance.

 

It's why they went after an IOL who is suited toward run blocking and drafted (another) RB high.  We're going to see, but achieving offensive balance in this era is not always a good thing especially when you have an MVP candidate caliber QB.  

Idk, I think the conservative knock on McD has been pretty well put to bed the last couple of years.

 

and the RB drafted is more of a receiving weapon, IMO

[teef]

2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Idk, I think the conservative knock on McD has been pretty well put to bed the last couple of years.

 

and the RB drafted is more of a receiving weapon, IMO

i think this was 100% their intention, considering they tried to get mckissic (sp?).  i don't know why people keep shouting they they're leaning more towards a run game because cook was drafted.

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

i think this was 100% their intention, considering they tried to get mckissic (sp?).  i don't know why people keep shouting they they're leaning more towards a run game because cook was drafted.

 

Yes its obvious to those who can see straight.  They've worked Cook with the WR in camp.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes its obvious to those who can see straight.  They've worked Cook with the WR in camp.

i'm not saying he won't be used in the run game, but after going as hard as they did to grab a pass catching back, i have to imagine that the plan.  I also don't think they want to run more as some are assuming.  they just want to be more efficient when doing it.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, teef said:

i'm not saying he won't be used in the run game, but after going as hard as they did to grab a pass catching back, i have to imagine that the plan.  I also don't think they want to run more as some are assuming.  they just want to be more efficient when doing it.

 

McDermott just wants to not be so one dimensional.  For the first 3/4 of the season, we couldn't run at all....like at all.

We will still be one of the league leaders in passing attempts.  

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

McDermott just wants to not be so one dimensional.  For the first 3/4 of the season, we couldn't run at all....like at all.

We will still be one of the league leaders in passing attempts.  

did you know the bills were 7-6 at one point?

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You've got a lot of time on your hands...and thanks for following me around like a lost puppy.  

 

I've never criticized the Miller signing and won't because they needed a bona-fide pass rusher because McBeane could (EDIT: not) find one in at least 4 off-seasons.

 

But context is key.  Buffalo kept sinking picks and UFA dollars into that DL and still couldn't pressure with their front 4 as evidenced by the Divisional game. 

 

Doesn't remove the fact their top investment and best player remains Josh.  And they did very little to support him besides another highly drafted RB and some 1 year UFA deals to aging veterans.  

 

1)  Stefon Diggs and Gabriel Davis are projected to be one of the top WR duos in the NFL.  

 

2)  Dawson Knox is a Top 10 TE

 

3)  How many teams do you know that have a guy like Crowder as slot depth?

 

4)  McKenzie won the starting slot position.  It wasn't handed to him. 

 

5)  With where we are drafting now, I'm not sure how much better we could've done at addressing the skill positions than we did in taking Cook and Shakir.  For context, Chiefs took RD2 WR Skyy Moore and RD7 RB Isaiah Pacheco. 

 

6)  The OL is viewed by most as a middle of the pack unit, with plenty of upside.  We brought in one of the best OL coaches in the game over the offseason. 

 

Could some of the talent around Josh be better... sure, it always can.. But sometimes you have to trust your development and this team is full of talent and potential.  There aren't many areas where we can look at a position and simply say it's a huge issue. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, teef said:

did you know the bills were 7-6 at one point?

 

Seriously?  That's shocking.

 

Did you know that McDermott wrestled in high school?

[BillsVet]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

1)  Stefon Diggs and Gabriel Davis are projected to be one of the top WR duos in the NFL.  

 

2)  Dawson Knox is a Top 10 TE

 

3)  How many teams do you know that have a guy like Crowder as slot depth?

 

4)  McKenzie won the starting slot position.  It wasn't handed to him. 

 

5)  With where we are drafting now, I'm not sure how much better we could've done at addressing the skill positions than we did in taking Cook and Shakir.  For context, Chiefs took RD2 WR Skyy Moore and RD7 RB Isaiah Pacheco. 

 

6)  The OL is viewed by most as a middle of the pack unit, with plenty of upside.  We brought in one of the best OL coaches in the game over the offseason. 

 

Could some of the talent around Josh be better... sure, it always can.. But sometimes you have to trust your development and this team is full of talent and potential.  There aren't many areas where we can look at a position and simply say it's a huge issue. 

 

Is that you Sal Cappuccino?    

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Seriously?  That's shocking.

 

Did you know that McDermott wrestled in high school?

wait...wha?

[Augie]

44 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Also, you can add that we invested in bringing in one of the leagues best oline coaches.

I think this seems to be very underrated. This may have been the move of the offseason. Time will tell. 

 

A new ST coach doesn’t hurt either. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

This is what a good O-line coach does, he assess the talent quickly and makes moves. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Cody Fords comments on Kromer actually add context to when Mongo said they didn’t value OL. Everyone assumed he meant individual players, and it sounded crazy considering they’ve signed and extended several. I think he actually meant development, as it sounds like Bobby Johnson was just not a good coach, and the guy he replaced was even worse.

[StHustle]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Cody Fords comments on Kromer actually add context to when Mongo said they didn’t value OL. Everyone assumed he meant individual players, and it sounded crazy considering they’ve signed and extended several. I think he actually meant development, as it sounds like Bobby Johnson was just not a good coach, and the guy he replaced was even worse.

OG was a first time NFL O Line coach. Color me shocked he wasn’t that good. He must have been decent tho to get hired in the same spot by Daboll who worked directly with Johnson for 2 seasons. 
 

With that said, we now have a top 3 O Line coach (maybe the best) who turned Bobby Hart and Cody Ford into serviceable players within weeks. It’s up from here baby 🚀 

[Malazan]

6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Cody Fords comments on Kromer actually add context to when Mongo said they didn’t value OL. Everyone assumed he meant individual players, and it sounded crazy considering they’ve signed and extended several. I think he actually meant development, as it sounds like Bobby Johnson was just not a good coach, and the guy he replaced was even worse.

 

Mongo followed that same O line coach to the Giants. I wouldn't put much stock in anything Mongo says at this point. Did you see the crap he pulled in giants camp? He "played dead" then got up and sucker punched another player. 

 

I agree that Bobby Johnsons was not an effective coach for the way the Bills want to play. 

[Coach Tuesday]

16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Cody Fords comments on Kromer actually add context to when Mongo said they didn’t value OL. Everyone assumed he meant individual players, and it sounded crazy considering they’ve signed and extended several. I think he actually meant development, as it sounds like Bobby Johnson was just not a good coach, and the guy he replaced was even worse.

Guess who is coaching Mongo in NJ?

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, teef said:

did you know the bills were 7-6 at one point?

Also a rumor is that the offense can't keep pace with Chargers, KC, etc. 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Is that you Sal Cappuccino?    

What player(s) do you think Bills could have gotten (realistically) that they could "keep up the pace" ?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

OG was a first time NFL O Line coach. Color me shocked he wasn’t that good. He must have been decent tho to get hired in the same spot by Daboll who worked directly with Johnson for 2 seasons. 
 

With that said, we now have a top 3 O Line coach (maybe the best) who turned Bobby Hart and Cody Ford into serviceable players within weeks. It’s up from here baby 🚀 

Hell yes, I’m so excited to see what happens with Spencer Brown 

[ColoradoBills]

14 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I'm thinking you're just dense and deliberately missing the point now.  

 

Enough so Josh isn't running the ball 9 times a game like he did from Week 13 through the Division Round.  Enough so they can have more than 1 top end option at WR.  Enough to keep pace with other AFC teams they'll meet in the playoffs.    

 

They aren't talented enough at offensive skill positions, notably WR and TE.  

 

No need to be insulting.  It seems to me you want to look at draft picks as the end all of resources used to build a team.

In some way it seems you believe that Beane is not drafting as well on the offense as you would like.

Evidently Davis and Knox are not skilled enough for your expectations.

 

My opinion is different.  Beane has not used FA as well as he could the last few years to build a DL.

I'm of the opinion that this year he may have got the DL right and that going forward it will not need as many draft picks.

 

If one was to use cap money as a guide to how much "resources" are used of the offense versus defense, I believe next season will be

extremely lopsided toward the offense (especially if Knox is re-signed like I expect him to be).  I know that Poyer, Edmunds and others

on the D side of the ball need new contracts but when it comes to cap space, I expect we will see the D taking the brunt of cost savings hits.

 

I'm also of the opinion we will see some higher draft picks used to retool some of the O needs next year compared to the D.

I can't guarantee that, it's just what I see happening.  OL, TE, WR all have a good chance of being addressed in the draft IMO.

 

As to Josh running the ball, I'm pretty sure what we are seeing in camp and preseason is a good indicator that the run game will

become more of a RB situation versus a QB situation.  Josh will turn it on still but only in game winning/playoff game situations.

 

While it could be debated that at this specific time the D may look to overwhelm the O in resources, I believe a long-term view is much

more balanced.