Cody Ford to Arizona

[BADOLBILZ]

14 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He basically single-handedly lost us the Jags game last year.  Not an exaggeration, go back and look at the grades.  He gave up particularly timely pressures when the Bills needed, and were on the verge of, big plays.  And losing that game essentially cost us home field against the Chiefs.

Wanna go back further?  Anyone remember his critical penalty against the Texans in the playoffs?  That play, too, had a major impact on that season.

 

Drafting Ford was a mistake but they continued to mis-evaluate him year after year and it continued to bite them in the arse.  They should’ve drafted or signed a better linemen each of the last two offseasons and he shouldn’t have been on the roster and playing in critical games.  They compounded their original error with him; the entire process was flawed.  And now it’s come out that he was a dog - even if they didn’t properly evaluate his character leading up to the draft, they certainly knew what he was heading into 2021.  

And lol at his “reps” telling Beane he should be starting.  Over whom?  I can only imagine the call Beane got from his agent after the Denver game (where he committed one bad penalty and should’ve been flagged for another).  Beane wouldn’t have forgotten the Jaguars debacle; I give him credit for not cutting Ford on the spot after his agents reached out and managing instead to recoup some value.

 

But make no mistake, the Butterfly Effect of Cody Ford cost this team serious consequences.  

 

 

 

Cody Ford was the worst player on the field in that day in Jacksonville.........which took some doing with the Jags being the worst team in the league.    

[wppete]

I think we got as much as we could out of Cody the 3 years here. It was time to move on, hope he goes to Arizona, reunites with his college QB and becomes a decent starter. Wish him all the luck. We got a solid pick for him in return. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

Reported to be running with the 1's in AZ.  Be funny if he makes good there and gets paid, a la Wyatt Teller.

 

Heads would explode like melons at a country shoot all over TBD

 

 

What is the point you are trying to make with your handwringing about the Cody Ford departure?

 

You made up a lie about him not playing guard in camp or preseason as a rookie to try to shoutdown the FACT that Wyatt Teller was traded because Ford having to play guard created a glut at the position.   Someone had to go.

 

Now you are theorizing that there is a direct comparison between trading the unproven second year Teller.........who had shown a lot of promise as a rookie.........and the well established fourth year bust Cody Ford.

 

Read Brandon Beane's press conference transcript..........like I said........Beane admitted that he dropped the ball.......questioned his process, that we all were able to view on Bills Embedded...........and is taking responsibility for it rather than pretending he just did everything right and it didn't work out.  

 

I think maybe some of you rush to defend every move Beane makes because you are people who are used to making excuses for yourself and not being accountable as a method of self preservation.

 

Beane is not like you..........he is a professional.

 

But the reality is that he came into the job as a first time GM and also VERY raw as a personnel man........he had spent more time fetching coffee in his early years in Carolina than he eventually did evaluating players with the team scouts.    He may have gotten the job because of Sean McDermott but the reason why it works so well is that he has the mental makeup to be a top executive.  A very different skillset than his Bills predecessors Whaley and Nix who were road scouts.     As an executive you need to know that the first rule of management is that it's always your fault.   He gets that.  

 

Instead of making up ridiculous lies and scenarios about why Beane wasn't wrong for doing something..........maybe you folks who rush in to excuse even the most obvious of errors should listen to him for a change when he tells you he WAS wrong about making a pick like Cody Ford. 

[Patrick Duffy]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cody Ford was the worst player on the field in that day in Jacksonville.........which took some doing with the Jags being the worst team in the league.    

Hard to argue with you here. It was some missing players from injury on OL and it really showed and although the OL as a whole played poorly Ford was a bit more noticeably bad to me. 

 

They really gave him more time than he deserved 2nd round pick be damned imo

[Rocky Landing]

49 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

After two OL coaches giving up on him, the probability of him turning into a serviceable lineman is low. Very low

Also, the Cardinals have a bottom fourth in the league O-line. So, maybe running with the ones isn't such an impressive feat...

[Patrick Duffy]

34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cody Ford was the worst player on the field in that day in Jacksonville.........which took some doing with the Jags being the worst team in the league.    

 

Just wanted to ad, I also felt like Daboll certainly didn't help with some of his play calling. Seemed like even knowing how OL was constantly struggling he still wouldn't adjust much or if at all with play calls to help the situation it looked to me

[SoCal Deek]

Okay with Ford gone….can we NOW, finally get back to bagging on Edmunds? Let’s go people!  

[Augie]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay with Ford gone….can we NOW, finally get back to bagging on Edmunds? Let’s go people!  

 

It’s like herding cats! People here seem to lose focus at times. Thank goodness we have you to keep an eye on the prize! 

[Malazan]

23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay with Ford gone….can we NOW, finally get back to bagging on Edmunds? Let’s go people!  

 

Wait, I thought we on to Elam to get a head start of Emdunds maybe not being here. 

[Patrick Duffy]

20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay with Ford gone….can we NOW, finally get back to bagging on Edmunds? Let’s go people!  

Lol, some can get serious when it's Edmunds. Not so much with Ford since everybody was tired of him lol

4 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Wait, I thought we on to Elam to get a head start of Emdunds maybe not being here. 

Can't do Elam. He's ineligible as a rookie.

[eball]

49 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

They really gave him more time than he deserved 2nd round pick be damned imo

 

Oh, and what must Brandon Beane do to repent for his horrible sin of giving Cody Ford too much time?

 

I know — he’ll build the deepest team in the league and contend for Super Bowls!

 

(Let me know when you can identify a GM with no duds to his name)

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Oh, and what must Brandon Beane do to repent for his horrible sin of giving Cody Ford too much time?

 

I know — he’ll build the deepest team in the league and contend for Super Bowls!

 

(Let me know when you can identify a GM with no duds to his name)

 

I don't think that poster was 'taking a shot' at Beane about it. Beane makes mistakes and like I said, the thing that makes him great at his job is he recognizes it and makes moves to correct them. We can talk about mistakes made and still have a very high opinion of the people who made them. 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Lol, some can get serious when it's Edmunds. Not so much with Ford since everybody was tired of him lol

 

BUT! When Ford turns into the next Wyatt Teller, this place will be full of comedic GOLD, I tell you! 😂 

[eball]

3 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

I don't think that poster was 'taking a shot' at Beane about it. Beane makes mistakes and like I said, the thing that makes him great at his job is he recognizes it and makes moves to correct them. We can talk about mistakes made and still have a very high opinion of the people who made them. 

 

You are correct, but do we REALLY need a gazillion posts rehashing the bad pick?

 

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, eball said:

 

Oh, and what must Brandon Beane do to repent for his horrible sin of giving Cody Ford too much time?

 

I know — he’ll build the deepest team in the league and contend for Super Bowls!

 

(Let me know when you can identify a GM with no duds to his name)

 

Dude it's a message board (see how that works for me also). I'm allowed to think he was given a year or so too long. Your quote comes off as snarky and puffing your chest out for some reason. I'm not Scott Law so I'd appreciate if you don't address me as such.

 

I find it hard for you to disagree that it was clear for the past couple years that it was unlikely Ford was going to improve much if any at all. So yes, I thought he was given at least 1 chance too many.

[MWK]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

After two OL coaches giving up on him, the probability of him turning into a serviceable lineman is low. Very low

 

To be fair, Bobby Johnson wasn’t much of a coach. But Kromer giving up on him says something.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, MWK said:

 

To be fair, Bobby Johnson wasn’t much of a coach. But Kromer giving up on him says something.

 

Kromer getting him up to speed enough to be worth a 5th round draft pick also says something. Something encouraging.   

[Brand J]

7 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Dude it's a message board (see how that works for me also). I'm allowed to think he was given a year or so too long. Your quote comes off as snarky and puffing your chest out for some reason. I'm not Scott Law so I'd appreciate if you don't address me as such.

 

I find it hard for you to disagree that it was clear for the past couple years that it was unlikely Ford was going to improve much if any at all. So yes, I thought he was given at least 1 chance too many.

Typical eball, don’t pay him much mind.

[QCity]

50 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Wait, I thought we on to Elam to get a head start of Emdunds maybe not being here. 

 

Nah, don't worry about Elam. If he doesn't work out we can just trade him for a 5th in 3 years. It'll be brilliant.

[DCbillsfan]

Some interesting takes by Arizona podcast guys regarding Ford.  Ford had a "good" rookie year.  Ford has "positional flexibility".  I don't believe the Bills would have traded him if that was the case.

[Patrick Duffy]

31 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Typical eball, don’t pay him much mind.

Guess he just got an attitude because he took offense for some reason when I quoted him in a different thread in a joking yet friendly way I assumed would be obvious. But same as that time for some reason he interpreted wrong. 

 

But anyways, water under the bridge 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

You are correct, but do we REALLY need a gazillion posts rehashing the bad pick?

 

 

 

Do you ever tire of creating ridiculous takes like that? 

 

It's literally a thread about the player going out the door..........if ever there is a time for that discussion it's clearly now.

 

Your problem is that you built your identity as a fan very unnecessarily on the foundation that you would show your loyalty by not being critical of ownership or management.......even to the point of making up nonsense to defend them.

 

And then you being the smooth customer you are..............you finally chose to draw the line at the hiring of McDermott and Beane.

 

Rather than just admitting you were wrong and adopting the higher standards and growth mindset of the HC and GM like a sane sports fan...........you are trying to go back to being the pointlessly relentless apologist.    Once you've been a skeptic........you can't fit back into that role without being a phony.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[ColoradoBills]

8 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

The coaches and front office handling of Ford really casts into doubt their "failing" forward approach on players, especially picks.

 

And, he's the highest drafted OLineman they've taken in 6 drafts which supports my contention that they struggle to identify and develop offensive personnel.  They nailed the Josh pick, but there is no other drafted player on that side of the ball who I'd say is a Pro Bowl caliber player.  At least not right now.    

 

OK.  You used the "drafted" player to conveniently leave out Diggs.  Every one will agree (Beane included) Ford was a bust.

Of all the other 3rd round and later picks that were used on the offense since Josh Allen (I'm sure you have to look them up),

what is your pro bowl caliber percentage chart that tells you many.  How many other "pro bowl" caliber players should he have drafted?

 

What is the GM +/- you are using to compare Beane?  Please show your work.  If you can convince me of your facts, I'll give you a "like". 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

What is the point you are trying to make with your handwringing about the Cody Ford departure?

 

WTF?  You're just weird in your takes sometimes.

 

I didn't think we'd regret Teller's departure.  Neither did a lot of people.  There's a lot of hindsight in critiquing Beane for that move.

 

My0 point is that it would be amusing if the same proved true of Ford (that the lightbulb went on for him after leaving).  I don't expect or anticipate that outcome, but we both know what would happen here if it went down that way.

 

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

You made up a lie about him not playing guard in camp or preseason as a rookie to try to shoutdown the FACT that Wyatt Teller was traded because Ford having to play guard created a glut at the position.   Someone had to go.

 

Did Ford see snaps at guard in games his rookie season?  No, he did not.  Whether he played snaps at guard during camp or preseason is immaterial and was not addressed by me.  At the point Teller was traded, just before the season, Ford was slotted in as RT for the season, not as a guard.

 

You mention "glut" at guard.  Logic: one dude who heads for the season slotted to play RT as a rookie, does not create a "glut" at guard requiring a pre-53-man cutdown trade.

 

You need....wait for it...an excess of guys who are actually slotted into playing guard...to do that 🙄

 

Perhaps you should look up the word "lie" in a dictionary.  I do not think it matches your use of the term

 

 

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Read Brandon Beane's press conference transcript..........like I said........Beane admitted that he dropped the ball.......questioned his process, that we all were able to view on Bills Embedded...........and is taking responsibility for it rather than pretending he just did everything right and it didn't work out.  

 

Yes, actually, I'm one of the people who pointed that out.

 

It doesn't impact the point that drafting Ford, who played RT as a rookie, did not create a glut at guard and lead to trading teller.

 

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I think maybe some of you rush to defend every move Beane makes because you are people who are used to making excuses for yourself and not being accountable as a method of self preservation. he WAS wrong about making a pick like Cody Ford. 

 

I'm sure your takes make you sound very wise to yourself.  But veering into personal attacks is actually not an impressive debate strategy.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Beck Water

[BillsVet]

6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

OK.  You used the "drafted" player to conveniently leave out Diggs.  Every one will agree (Beane included) Ford was a bust.

Of all the other 3rd round and later picks that were used on the offense since Josh Allen (I'm sure you have to look them up),

what is your pro bowl caliber percentage chart that tells you many.  How many other "pro bowl" caliber players should he have drafted?

 

What is the GM +/- you are using to compare Beane?  Please show your work.  If you can convince me of your facts, I'll give you a "like". 

 

I don't live or die on likes.  This ain't some mindless Twitter post where people crave validation for their thoughts.    

 

My criticism is directed toward how this franchise values and allocates picks/UFA dollars on offense.  And I suspect how they'll scheme the offense this season.

 

Josh covers up a lot of their offensive deficit in skill players and this will become evident when they try to balance out their run-pass play-calls. 

 

Another big issue is their skill players aside from Diggs aren't blazers.  Last season in more than 1100 offensive snaps they had just 2 plays more than 50 yards.  

 

And I know about Davis' Divisional round game where he broke a few.  This season he moves up to be a Z from that 3rd option he'd been before.  He's never had a catch rate over 57% and now faces better coverage.   

 

The AFC is quickly become dominated by the teams who not only have the QB, but feature 3 and 4 receiving options.  Compared to Cincinnati, the Chargers, and KC, Buffalo is not keeping pace offensively nor do I expect their defense to get to the playoffs and shut offenses down.  Defenses can't do that anymore. 

[ColoradoBills]

23 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

My criticism is directed toward how this franchise values and allocates picks/UFA dollars on offense.  And I suspect how they'll scheme the offense this season.

 

OK, but that's different then the statement you made.  You insinuated that of the players Beane drafted there should be more "pro bowlers".

I just ask, how many more?

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I don't live or die on likes.  This ain't some mindless Twitter post where people crave validation for their thoughts.    

 

My criticism is directed toward how this franchise values and allocates picks/UFA dollars on offense.  And I suspect how they'll scheme the offense this season.

 

Josh covers up a lot of their offensive deficit in skill players and this will become evident when they try to balance out their run-pass play-calls. 

 

Another big issue is their skill players aside from Diggs aren't blazers.  Last season in more than 1100 offensive snaps they had just 2 plays more than 50 yards.  

 

And I know about Davis' Divisional round game where he broke a few.  This season he moves up to be a Z from that 3rd option he'd been before.  He's never had a catch rate over 57% and now faces better coverage.   

 

The AFC is quickly become dominated by the teams who not only have the QB, but feature 3 and 4 receiving options.  Compared to Cincinnati, the Chargers, and KC, Buffalo is not keeping pace offensively nor do I expect their defense to get to the playoffs and shut offenses down.  Defenses can't do that anymore. 

I would say that digs himself really isn’t classified as a burner he’s a Precise route runner and what the bills did was get lucky with Gabe Davis who looks like he is about to break out in my opinion it doesn’t matter where you get the talent from as long as you get it to me one of the least allocated places the bills have is the ol Their highest drafted player was a second round pick but if they make chicken dinner out of that line with coaching can’t complain there either

[Bermuda Triangle]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think maybe some of you rush to defend every move Beane makes because you are people who are used to making excuses for yourself and not being accountable as a method of self preservation.

 

Are you always this weird, and do you act this way in real life?

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, QCity said:

 

Nah, don't worry about Elam. If he doesn't work out we can just trade him for a 5th in 3 years. It'll be brilliant.

We've become so spoiled as a fan base.  My god.  There hasn't been one GM worth a damn in history who hasn't whiffed on a high draft pick.

[BADOLBILZ]

59 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

WTF?  You're just weird in your takes sometimes.

 

I didn't think we'd regret Teller's departure.  Neither did a lot of people.  There's a lot of hindsight in critiquing Beane for that move.

 

My0 point is that it would be amusing if the same proved true of Ford (that the lightbulb went on for him after leaving).  I don't expect or anticipate that outcome, but we both know what would happen here if it went down that way.

 

 

Did Ford see snaps at guard in games his rookie season?  No, he did not.  Whether he played snaps at guard during camp or preseason is immaterial and was not addressed by me.  At the point Teller was traded, just before the season, Ford was slotted in as RT for the season, not as a guard.

 

You mention "glut" at guard.  Logic: one dude who heads for the season slotted to play RT as a rookie, does not create a "glut" at guard requiring a pre-53-man cutdown trade.

 

You need....wait for it...an excess of guys who are actually slotted into playing guard...to do that 🙄

 

Perhaps you should look up the word "lie" in a dictionary.  I do not think it matches your use of the term

 

 

 

Yes, actually, I'm one of the people who pointed that out.

 

It doesn't impact the point that drafting Ford, who played RT as a rookie, did not create a glut at guard and lead to trading teller.

 

 

I'm sure your takes make you sound very wise to yourself.  But veering into personal attacks is actually not an impressive debate strategy.

 

 

 

Ford did in fact play A LOT of guard in the preseason..........you claimed he did not..........that's a fact and you are quoted in my response to your "this is a horsesh*t" take" post to @Coach Tuesday.

 

Now you are lying about it.

 

The original plan coming into camp, of course,  was for Ford to be the RT and for Nsekhe to be a swing tackle.

 

But Ford struggled at tackle in camp and Nsekhe played very well........Nsekhe was going to win the RT job handily..........so not wanting to leave their highly invested pick on the bench Ford was moved to guard and that was going to be the starting right side of the Bills OL.    They actually looked good as a tandem.

 

With Nsekhe not available as the swing tackle any longer they felt they had to keep the more position versatile options..........and all of the other "guard" options that were kept were those guys.    Ryan Bates technically became the swing tackle.

 

But Nsekhe started coming apart at the seams physically before the opener and the two ended up having to job share the snaps at RT for much of the season(until Nsekhe went out long term) and Jon Feliciano went from being the backup to Cody Ford at guard to playing almost every snap of every game.

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

OK, but that's different then the statement you made.  You insinuated that of the players Beane drafted there should be more "pro bowlers".

I just ask, how many more?

 

I'm thinking you're just dense and deliberately missing the point now.  

 

Enough so Josh isn't running the ball 9 times a game like he did from Week 13 through the Division Round.  Enough so they can have more than 1 top end option at WR.  Enough to keep pace with other AFC teams they'll meet in the playoffs.    

 

They aren't talented enough at offensive skill positions, notably WR and TE.  

 

   

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

Compared to KC, Buffalo is not keeping pace offensively

 

Compared to the team that traded away their elite #1 WR and used their two 1st round picks on defensive players, the Bills aren't keeping pace offensively. Okay.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

My exact problem with their approach… the rules won’t allow for a dominant defense. You’ll get flagged way too often and easily. 
 

 

That's right and have really taken it too far I think. I know they want more points/excitement/etc, but defense is and always has been exciting too (for me anyways).

 

Really hard for the DBs especially. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 Compared to Cincinnati, the Chargers, and KC, Buffalo is not keeping pace offensively

 

Really?!? What gives you that impression that Bills are not keeping pace offensively? Bills offense is more loaded than ever this season. Where do you get they aren't keeping pace? 

[BillsVet]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Compared to the team that traded away their elite #1 WR and used their two 1st round picks on defensive players, the Bills aren't keeping pace offensively. Okay.

 

You think Hill is worth 30M per? On a team where they're paying Mahomes?  Where they took the money saved this season on Hill and spent it on 2 receivers in UFA and used 2 of those acquired picks on defense?  

 

I'll trust the HC who fleeced McD 5 years ago to build an offense.  

[BillsVet]

10 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Really?!? What gives you that impression that Bills are not keeping pace offensively? Bills offense is more loaded than ever this season. Where do you get they aren't keeping pace? 

 

When their top off-season acquisitions are Rodger Saffold, OJ Howard, and Jamison Crowder.  

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You think Hill is worth 30M per? On a team where they're paying Mahomes?  Where they took the money saved this season on Hill and spent it on 2 receivers in UFA and used 2 of those acquired picks on defense?  

 

I'll trust the HC who fleeced McD 5 years ago to build an offense.  

 

I get why there are Bills homers on here that twist facts to be optimistic about our team. I don't get why there are people like you, anti-homers that perform mental gymnastics to make the Bills look worse and our rivals look better. No the Chiefs did not prioritize offense when they traded away their best skill position player and replaced him with two lesser players, then drafted a pass rusher and a CB with their top 2 picks. Before you try to argue against that, stop. Think. Nobody except Chiefs homers and weird anti-homers like you would try to make that argument.

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by HappyDays

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

When their top off-season acquisitions are Rodger Saffold, OJ Howard, and Jamison Crowder.  

 

So those 3 signings is what made you somehow come to conclusion that Bills aren't keeping pace? They  now have a weapon in Cook along with Shakir playing amazing. The offense has kept pace just fine and are one of the best in the NFL. 

 

I can't understand how you can say a top 3 offense isn't keeping pace

[eball]

11 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Dude it's a message board (see how that works for me also). I'm allowed to think he was given a year or so too long. Your quote comes off as snarky and puffing your chest out for some reason. I'm not Scott Law so I'd appreciate if you don't address me as such.

 

I find it hard for you to disagree that it was clear for the past couple years that it was unlikely Ford was going to improve much if any at all. So yes, I thought he was given at least 1 chance too many.

 

Oh it was snarky as hell, I freely admit.  And not really directed at you, so I apologize.  I have had it up to you-know-where with the incessant rehashing of the Cody Ford pick.  It’s a horse that was dead a long time ago, yet keeps being beaten.  To some that apparently means they are “keeping it real” with respect to Beane.  To me it’s just a lot of wasted breath.  All GMs make some terrible decisions; what separates the good and great ones is recognizing those mistakes, doing what they can to correct them, and making a hell of a lot of other great decisions that make up for the occasional miss.

 

And that is the last post I will write in this thread.

 

Go Bills!

[Bermuda Triangle]

7 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

When their top off-season acquisitions are Rodger Saffold, OJ Howard, and Jamison Crowder.  

I bet that most objective observers feel that Cook was the Bills' top off-season offensive acquisition.