Dawson Knox brother Luke passes away

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

You’ve clearly never watched CSI. 

 

Well I did a couple times, but we were drinking shots every time their lab went ridiculous so I don't remember the outcomes

 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well I did a couple times, but we were drinking shots every time their lab went ridiculous so I don't remember the outcomes

 

Not to spoil things for you, but they solved the cases at the end.  

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Not to spoil things for you, but they solved the cases at the end.  

 

I did make that assumption

[muppy]

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

It simply isn’t normal for a young fit kid to drop dead at 22. So when it happens of course people want to know why. When it’s kept secret it seems odd. People don’t normally hide cause of death if it was some ailment. Not sure how disclosing an ailment would bring further grief. There is a short list of causes of death that would bring further grief if made public. We all know what those are.

my reply to this, and I mean No disrespect. You may be right but maybe just  maybe it's none of our business. *shrugs*

[Forlorn hope]

22 minutes ago, muppy said:

my reply to this, and I mean No disrespect. You may be right but maybe just  maybe it's none of our business. *shrugs*

It's obviously none of our business. It's not mutually exclusive

 

Ppl are very concerned for obvious reasons. Ppl can also simultaneously respect the privacy of the Knox family. 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2022 by Forlorn hope

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

my reply to this, and I mean No disrespect. You may be right but maybe just  maybe it's none of our business. *shrugs*

Amen….

[John from Riverside]

Would it make us feel better if it was suicide or drug related I don’t think it would make me feel better therefore if they don’t want to say I don’t wanna know

[muppy]

47 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Would it make us feel better if it was suicide or drug related I don’t think it would make me feel better therefore if they don’t want to say I don’t wanna know

I've been thinking about this topic and here is my final take on the matter. Are pro athletes mandated to reveal personal private family PERSONAL issues to the public? No. Its really not our business to know personal details of our sports stars lives.

 

Are we *(some of we) curious his cause of death? Clearly.

 

I agree with you John. The knowing how won't  make me feel better it sucks no matter how.

 

Peace - m

 

 

[Forlorn hope]

54 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Would it make us feel better if it was suicide or drug related I don’t think it would make me feel better therefore if they don’t want to say I don’t wanna know

That's not the concern or point

[BarleyNY]

11 hours ago, muppy said:

I've been thinking about this topic and here is my final take on the matter. Are pro athletes mandated to reveal personal private family PERSONAL issues to the public? No. Its really not our business to know personal details of our sports stars lives.

 

Are we *(some of we) curious his cause of death? Clearly.

 

I agree with you John. The knowing how won't  make me feel better it sucks no matter how.

 

Peace - m

 

 

I am with you. The money and fame of playing in the NFL is part of a package deal though. People prying into the personal lives of the players is definitely one of the downsides of it. 

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I am with you. The money and fame of playing in the NFL is part of a package deal though. People prying into the personal lives of the players is definitely one of the downsides of it. 

That's the point.  There is no solution to this problem.  If you're famous, you give up a lot of privacy.  There's simply no way to avoid it.  It doesn't mean you're obligated to talk about your private life in public, but it does mean people are going to inquire incessantly about it, because that's the way people are.   Brady hasn't said much, but he's already said more publicly than most people would like to put in the headlines.  

 

All kinds of celebrities talk about it.  Bills players don't want to put down Bills' fans, but once in a while they'll be frank and admit that almost anywhere they go in town they're recognized.  You and I can go to Duff's, buy a pitcher and a bucket of wings, watch a game, and hang out.  It's a whole different experience for them.  

 

I used to think that celebrities were just showing off when they got married on an island somewhere and flew in 50 or 100 guests.  Finally, I realized they do it because it's the only way they can have a party that isn't crashed by paparazzi and fans.  

 

I'm curious about Luke.  I'm curious about Kim.  But if the families don't want to talk about it, I'll try to curb my curiosity and recognize that they're human beings and it's my fandom that needs to be controlled. 

[djp14150]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

That's the point.  There is no solution to this problem.  If you're famous, you give up a lot of privacy.  There's simply no way to avoid it.  It doesn't mean you're obligated to talk about your private life in public, but it does mean people are going to inquire incessantly about it, because that's the way people are.   Brady hasn't said much, but he's already said more publicly than most people would like to put in the headlines.  

 

All kinds of celebrities talk about it.  Bills players don't want to put down Bills' fans, but once in a while they'll be frank and admit that almost anywhere they go in town they're recognized.  You and I can go to Duff's, buy a pitcher and a bucket of wings, watch a game, and hang out.  It's a whole different experience for them.  

 

I used to think that celebrities were just showing off when they got married on an island somewhere and flew in 50 or 100 guests.  Finally, I realized they do it because it's the only way they can have a party that isn't crashed by paparazzi and fans.  

 

I'm curious about Luke.  I'm curious about Kim.  But if the families don't want to talk about it, I'll try to curb my curiosity and recognize that they're human beings and it's my fandom that needs to be controlled. 

 

it’s gotten much worse over the last 35 years due to

 

significant salary increase

social media

cell phones

internet

 

sudden death of someone very young is a big curiosity if it’s not from common death causes at that 18-25 age group which are car accidents, drug/alcohol OD, suicide, cancer, guns, reckless/activity related high risk behavior ( like speeding in a car/ motorcycle, extreme sports, trying to do some tik toK stunt)

 

 

 

[CorkScrewHill]

Dawson posted a tribute to Luke on Instagram that PFT put on their site.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/04/dawson-knox-posts-tribute-to-his-late-brother-luke/

 

tough to lose a close brother speaking from experience.

[DaggersEOD]

My take is that if his cause of death was due to something that was voluntary and avoidable or a decision that many others may encounter and have to make for themselves, that for the sake of public safety, the cause should be investigated and fully exposed so others can make a better informed decision. 
 

If it saves even one life it would be criminal not to do it. 

[Rocky Landing]

20 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

My take is that if his cause of death was due to something that was voluntary and avoidable or a decision that many others may encounter and have to make for themselves, that for the sake of public safety, the cause should be investigated and fully exposed so others can make a better informed decision. 
 

If it saves even one life it would be criminal not to do it. 

The Knox family is entitled to their privacy. 

[DaggersEOD]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

The Knox family is entitled to their privacy. 

I appreciate this position and understand the kind place where it comes from.
 

But I don’t understand how releasing that information would make the impossible task of processing this tragedy more difficult for the family nor do I believe that allowing others to be negatively affected would bring them more peace. 
 

I see no benefit from withholding the info and nothing but benefits from releasing it. 

[hemma]

‘Autopsy reports are considered a matter of public record in Tennessee. If questions arise about information in the autopsy report, the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy at the Regional Forensic Center should be contacted.

Most autopsy reports are completed within 10 to 12 weeks, although additional investigative or laboratory information may extend this time frame.’

 

When it’s done, we’ll all know.  Probably a load of newspapers/sites check daily.

[K-9]

20 minutes ago, hemma said:

‘Autopsy reports are considered a matter of public record in Tennessee. If questions arise about information in the autopsy report, the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy at the Regional Forensic Center should be contacted.

Most autopsy reports are completed within 10 to 12 weeks, although additional investigative or laboratory information may extend this time frame.’

 

When it’s done, we’ll all know.  Probably a load of newspapers/sites check daily.

Where was the autopsy conducted, Tennessee or Florida where he died?

[Don Otreply]

On 9/2/2022 at 9:58 PM, John from Riverside said:

Would it make us feel better if it was suicide or drug related I don’t think it would make me feel better therefore if they don’t want to say I don’t wanna know

You are spot on,  mostly is not anyone else’s business, people who insist on a false need to know are just gossipy folk who feel entitled to nose into some other persons/families business, those people basically suck at this aspect of being decent humans, jmo.

[hemma]

Just now, K-9 said:

Where was the autopsy conducted, Tennessee or Florida where he died?

I’m not sure, but I also checked Fla and it is also public.

Just not done yet, i guess.  

[TheBrownBear]

38 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

I appreciate this position and understand the kind place where it comes from.
 

But I don’t understand how releasing that information would make the impossible task of processing this tragedy more difficult for the family nor do I believe that allowing others to be negatively affected would bring them more peace. 
 

I see no benefit from withholding the info and nothing but benefits from releasing it. 

Do you not understand that maybe the family wants to grieve in peace? Or they do not want a bunch of strangers passing judgment on their son on Twitter? If the family truly believes there's something to be gained by releasing information, then they'll do it. They shouldn't do it to satisfy the macabre curiosity of a bunch of strangers.

[Forlorn hope]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

The Knox family is entitled to their privacy. 

Nobody said they weren't. Again that's not the point being made. 

 

Everyone is sad and cares about Dawson. Everyone respects his privacy. The concern ppl have is not mutually exclusive to that

16 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Do you not understand that maybe the family wants to grieve in peace? Or they do not want a bunch of strangers passing judgment on their son on Twitter? If the family truly believes there's something to be gained by releasing information, then they'll do it. They shouldn't do it to satisfy the macabre curiosity of a bunch of strangers.

Ironic ...

Edited September 4, 2022 by Forlorn hope

[TheBrownBear]

5 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

 

Ironic ...

Care to clarify?

[Forlorn hope]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

The Knox family is entitled to their privacy. 

Why do you keep repeating that as if people disagree

 

 

[Forlorn hope]

55 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You are spot on,  mostly is not anyone else’s business, people who insist on a false need to know are just gossipy folk who feel entitled to nose into some other persons/families business, those people basically suck at this aspect of being decent humans, jmo.

It's literally the opposite of gossiping. Ppl have a legitimate concern. Therefore they want to know the cause of death. If it was gossip it would be a Thanksgiving party and talking about uncle bills gambling problem.... Trying to make illegitimate people's concerns are pretty ridiculous at this point. 

 

Again everyone also understands the Knox family and the need for privacy. Nobody is disagreeing with that. 

[nosejob]

On 9/2/2022 at 4:10 PM, StHustle said:

I highly doubt they would hide the reason if it was any type of cancer. I’m pretty sure they’d make a cause of it and point funds in the direction of finding a cure. It’s much for likely to be an overdose than cancer imo

.......or  a sort of cardiac event associated with, but not limited to a possible adverse effect to a medically mandated injection?

Edited September 4, 2022 by nosejob

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

It's literally the opposite of gossiping. Ppl have a legitimate concern. Therefore they want to know the cause of death. If it was gossip it would be a Thanksgiving party and talking about uncle bills gambling problem.... Trying to make illegitimate people's concerns are pretty ridiculous at this point. 

 

Again everyone also understands the Knox family and the need for privacy. Nobody is disagreeing with that. 

You got that bass ackwards there. 

 

Uncle Bill affects you and your family. 

 

That's not gossip, that's sharing personal information within your family of a legitimate concern. 

 

Knowing about the death of someone else that will have a very small chance of impacting anything that you do in your daily life is gossip.

[Forlorn hope]

4 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

You got that bass ackwards there. 

 

Uncle Bill affects you and your family. 

 

That's not gossip, that's sharing personal information within your family of a legitimate concern. 

 

Knowing about the death of someone else that will have a very small chance of impacting anything that you do in your daily life is gossip.

Again you're either ignoring what we've said 3x now or just didn't see it...

 

Everyone agrees if the Knox family wants to keep this private that should be respected. Nobody disagrees with that. 

 

Why ppl want to know is a different issue and you're ass backwards because it effects everyone

 

Two different issues, not mutually exclusive 

Wanting to know the facts ( if available) is the opposite of gossiping 

Again this is a legitimate concern. Trying to say it's not is evil and disgusting

 

But again it's truly ironic you talking about this being a private issue. We never wanted privacy violated....

[RocCityRoller]

On a positive note, how much was raised for PUNT in honor/Memory of the Knox family?

[Forlorn hope]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

On a positive note, how much was raised for PUNT in honor/Memory of the Knox family?

Best fans in the NFL 

[billsfan1959]

27 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

Ppl have a legitimate concern

 

What is your concern?

[Forlorn hope]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

What is your concern?

Not getting into it fully here because of the platform rules. I already got a strike bringing up politics in the wrong forum. 

[muppy]

8 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

On a positive note, how much was raised for PUNT in honor/Memory of the Knox family?

i saw $193,000

 

Id have to search for a link but that was the last number total Id read.

[muppy]

29 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

It's literally the opposite of gossiping. Ppl have a legitimate concern. Therefore they want to know the cause of death. If it was gossip it would be a Thanksgiving party and talking about uncle bills gambling problem.... Trying to make illegitimate people's concerns are pretty ridiculous at this point. 

 

Again everyone also understands the Knox family and the need for privacy. Nobody is disagreeing with that. 

can you not imagine how a family revealing in public something already so painful (losing a young son)  would increase not only the exposure but possible trolls and idiot low lives who would/could exacerbate their pain with nasty remarks in social media? It is Their family business. Just my opinion. It may be too painful for them to talk about.  And when they think it's right make more information public *shrugs* Or not. 

 

m

[Buffalo ill]

I applaud them for keeping it private. Don't give in to the internet mob.

[Forlorn hope]

7 minutes ago, muppy said:

can you not imagine how a family revealing in public something already so painful (losing a young son)  would increase not only the exposure but possible trolls and idiot low lives who would/could exacerbate their pain with nasty remarks in social media? It is Their family business. Just my opinion. It may be too painful for them to talk about.  And when they think it's right make more information public *shrugs* Or not. 

 

m

Why do you keep bringing up the issue of privacy as if people disagree or don't understand the the issues with revealing what happened. 

 

Everyone knows. It's why I and others respect the right to privacy and other rights. I and others kept our principles and valued those rights. The irony here is the same people who are talking about privacy rights, didn't respect them earlier. They went where the wind blew 

5 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I applaud them for keeping it private. Don't give in to the internet mob.

You should applaud any decision they make regarding their privacy. Not what you want 

[Forlorn hope]

15 minutes ago, muppy said:

can you not imagine how a family revealing in public something already so painful (losing a young son)  would increase not only the exposure but possible trolls and idiot low lives who would/could exacerbate their pain with nasty remarks in social media? It is Their family business. Just my opinion. It may be too painful for them to talk about.  And when they think it's right make more information public *shrugs* Or not. 

 

m

Can you imagine losing multiple family members and friends and not being able to talk about it. 

 

Can you imagine losing your job and livelihood, businesses destroyed. 

 

Can you imagine violating a multitude of civil rights, privacy rights, being ostracized from people. 

 

But knowing all this, the anger people feel, we still respect the Knox family and their rights. If only that same approach was given the past two years...

 

In some respect I'm glad it happened because it revealed to me a lot about people and their true character 

 

 

[The Wiz]

36 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

Again you're either ignoring what we've said 3x now or just didn't see it...

 

Everyone agrees if the Knox family wants to keep this private that should be respected. Nobody disagrees with that. 

 

Why ppl want to know is a different issue and you're ass backwards because it effects everyone

 

Two different issues, not mutually exclusive 

Wanting to know the facts ( if available) is the opposite of gossiping 

Again this is a legitimate concern. Trying to say it's not is evil and disgusting

 

But again it's truly ironic you talking about this being a private issue. We never wanted privacy violated....

So I'm assuming you follow up with the random Jane and John Doe's of the world also that suddenly die and no information is available?

 

What threads are you commenting on and what boards about it?

 

Why is this information so important to you being available vs anyone else?

 

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, DaggersEOD said:

I appreciate this position and understand the kind place where it comes from.
 

But I don’t understand how releasing that information would make the impossible task of processing this tragedy more difficult for the family nor do I believe that allowing others to be negatively affected would bring them more peace. 
 

I see no benefit from withholding the info and nothing but benefits from releasing it. 

It was their son, and if they don't want to release the information leading to his death, that is their choice. 

 

I'm also a little perplexed by the assumption that staying private would negatively affect the general public, and that it would not even be their decision. And the fact that you "don’t understand how releasing that information would make the impossible task of processing this tragedy more difficult for the family," only highlights the notion that it's really none of your business. How can we assume how this is affecting their family? 

 

Not trying to be combative here. Just my opinion.

1 hour ago, Forlorn hope said:

Why do you keep repeating that as if people disagree

 

 

Well, I posted that statement exactly once, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Also, I was responding to someone who apparently disagrees, so there's that...

[muppy]

19 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

Why do you keep bringing up the issue of privacy as if people disagree or don't understand the the issues with revealing what happened. 

 

Everyone knows. It's why I and others respect the right to privacy and other rights. I and others kept our principles and valued those rights. The irony here is the same people who are talking about privacy rights, didn't respect them earlier. They went where the wind blew 

You should applaud any decision they make regarding their privacy. Not what you want 

because for me it closes the topic for further discussion.